(word processor parameters LM=8, RM=75, TM=2, BM=2) Taken from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Sponsored by Vangard Sciences PO BOX 1031 Mesquite, TX 75150 There are ABSOLUTELY NO RESTRICTIONS on duplicating, publishing or distributing the files on KeelyNet except where noted! May 30, 1993 WASTEH20.ASC -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This file courtesy of the Double Helix BBS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTIE -= Wastewater Treatment Information Exchange =- Node 2 11-25-92 21:43 Name: SAMMY FINKELMAN Date: 05-14-91 (16:11) Number: 49 of 2699 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: HAS REPLIES Subj: MAGNETICS & SEWAGE Status: SENDER PASSWORD Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) I would like any input on anyone who has information on using magnets for water treatment. I visited a swimming pool where the owner claims that his hardness and alkalinity problems were solved by the installation of a magnet around the water line going to the showers in the bathhouse and into the swimming pool. I have read that studies on magnets have shown that they align the charge on ions in water. For wastewater studies, this would be a benefit were a person using an UV light after a sand filter. Before wastewater is processed through a UV light, the magnet could decrease the amount of hardness and scaling in the UV reactor (i.e. the teflon tube or quartz tube) Has anyone ever tried this before? I am thinking of trying it, but I would like to obtain research funds to try it? Can anyone help me on this ? Scaling could cause a buildup on the exterior of a quartz tube or on the interior of a teflon tube which would decrease the efficiency of the UV light. Magnet researchers make other fabulous claims also, such as the strength of the magnet would have a positive effect on the decrease of pathogenic material which would make them easier to kill under a UV light ? Believe it or not ? Baloney or remarkably true ( can I get this to be on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES on NBC ?) Anyway, in all seriousness, please leave a message for me on this BBS if you care to comment. <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 05-31-91 (17:40) Number: 59 of 2699 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: (N/A) Subj: UV LIGHTS & MAGNETS Status: SENDER PASSWORD Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) I am currently considering adding onto a single resident sewage treatment plant that I am building soon (when my regulatory agency approves the permits) the use of a UV light as the primary disinfectant device. Although I am worried about the build up of the scale and other debris on the teflon tube over many years, I am going to use magnets to keep the scale off. A large swimming pool nearby used a 11,000 gauss strength Page 1 magent on the water main leading into his showers. After installation of the magnets, the build up of scale decreased significantly. I am hoping that the same will occur on the UV light that I am planning to use. I am planning to use a Model 12L from Northland Technologies. Anyone who has used this light for disinfection after a buried sand filter should kindly leave a note of their own personal experiences with it. Also, written research exists about the strength of magnets on water treatment. I will be installing one between my septic tank and my dosing tank which feeds wastewater into the buried sand filter. Maybe this will assist with the activity level of the positive and negatively charged particles entering into the sand filter. Separating the two charges out before the sand filter may help the sand filter work better. (note: I am using three 500 gallon septic tanks - the magnet will be in place on the last septic tank) Anyway, this all may seem crazy, but I will keep everyone informed. . . <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 06-17-92 (17:00) Number: 2112 of 3478 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: HAS REPLIES Subj: RESULTS OF USING MAGNETS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) Some time ago I requested information on using magnets for wastewater treatment. I was installing a new septic system for my home and I was looking for ways to increase the efficiency of this proposed system. The system has been installed since 11/91. The system consists of 3 septic tanks, a dosing chamber with a sewage pump, a sand filter, and a UV light which leads into an 810 foot discharge line. Magnets were placed before the third septic tank. The third septic tank also contains a ZABEL filter which helps reduce the solids going on the sand filter. Magnets were also placed before and after the dosing chamber. A magnet was also placed before the UV light. The results of the first test as required on my NPDES permit are: CBOD = 2 mg/l Suspended Solids = 6 mg/l ph = 7 fecal coliform = or < 10 colonies/100 ml of sample. I am really pleased with the results of my test since they are about 85% to 90% below the lower limits set for my effluents on my NPDES permits. I give credit to my success partially to the magnets because I do think they help reduce the solids and keep the UV reactor chamber clean so that the UV light works properly. I will be asking how other systems which are somewhat comparable to mine are doing. I would reccommend magnets to any person or desinger because I do beleive they help reduce solids and they maximize the amount of settling of solids in the septic tanks. The other part of my system I would like to comment on is the UV light. It has worked wonderfully. Compared to using chlorine tablets, it is more effective, cheaper to operate, and nontoxic to the receiving stream which carries away my wastewater. However, if anyone wants to use one, I would suggest they overcompensate the flow on a UV light to allow for greater kill of pathogens in the effluent coming from the sand filter. Another nice thing about the UV light is that it is much more convient for the homeowner. The homeowner never has to keep checking on the chlorine tablets which can sometimes bridge up in the tablet chlorinator. Please Page 2 feel free to leave any questions you may have on this topic on this BBS...It was nice sharing this with everyone. <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 07-03-92 (11:30) Number: 2281 of 3478 To: JIM PAVLICEK Refer#: 2112 From: MATT RICKABY Read: 07-10-92 (13:17) HAS REPLIES Subj: RESULTS OF USING MAGNETS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) Do you have any control data from the system obtained before you installed the magnets? If so how does the data compare to the present setup? Why do you feel the magnets are contributing to a lower solids loss in the effluent? Why do you feel they contribute to a lower solids buildup on the UV chamber walls? I'm interested in your results but still very skeptical. I remember some salesman trying to sell these things for the fuel lines of my furnace to " polarize " the molecules of fuel for a more efficient burn but he could not supply any backup to his claims beyond presenting a vague theory. <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 07-10-92 (13:17) Number: 2339 of 3478 To: MATT RICKABY Refer#: 2281 From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: 07-12-92 (10:05) HAS REPLIES Subj: RESULTS OF USING MAGNETS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) My answers to your questions are as follows: 1. Control Data consists of comparing similiar systems installed without any magnets. These systems have a variable difference of 5 to 10 percent increase in solids over what my results are coming out with. 2. The electromagnetic field initiates a charge (note that the charge is somewhat weak) on the effluent. The charge lines up all negative and positive charges in a fashion that slows down the ongoing movement between negative and positive charges in the various elements in the effluent. Scaling on the reactor wall of the UV chamber takes place because the reactor wall itself has charges on it which attract minerals with opposite charges which leads to scaling which in turn leads to the UV light from penetrating the effluent. Also, the magnets I used were also placed on the septic tanks. The "lining up" of charges in a large tank also contributes to increased flocullation in the tank because the charges placed upon the effluent are only small and somewhat temporary, BUT this temporary charge effect allows all "unline charges" in the septic tank to cluster around the "lined charges" which in turn leads to increased flocullation or clumping of solids coming together. This summer I was inspected by a PADER Inspector who is doing a summer study on single resident sewage treatment plants. Her data being collected on these systems seem to indicate that this addition of magnets seems to assist in better performance of this single resident sewage treatment plant. Her data has not all been collected yet. She will have a report which will be done at the end of the summer. You may think this is a vague theory, yet I was introduced to this concept of magnetics and sewage through a few scientific journals devoted to the study of electromagnetism. A friend of mine is a magnet hobbyist, and he gave me the address of a man in Minnesasota who has all kinds of information about magnets. I wrote to him about magnets and sewage, and Page 3 his reponse was to send an article from a scientific journal which is published in Germany. This journal (I can't give you the name of it because it is in German) discussed research done on water treatment in Russia. All of the concepts I have discussed here in this reply to you were in this article. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL TOO..YET IT DOES SEEM TO WORK !! How effiently it works is another question. If I had the resources, it would be insteresting to note what effect would take place if one could vary the strength of the electromagnetic charge..More Research needs to be done. I hope this interests you. <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 07-12-92 (10:05) Number: 2356 of 3478 To: JIM PAVLICEK Refer#: 2339 From: MATT RICKABY Read: 07-23-92 (13:45) HAS REPLIES Subj: RESULTS OF USING MAGNETS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) I am certainly interested but remain skeptical. May I have the address of the guy in Minn. so I may contact for further information? <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 07-23-92 (13:45) Number: 2430 of 3478 To: MATT RICKABY Refer#: 2356 From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: 07-26-92 (07:23) Subj: RESULTS OF USING MAGNETS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) Yes, I will be happy to. I will have to research my files to access this information. Can you leave your address on this BB so I can send you what information I have ? <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03-18-92 (17:15) Number: 1384 of 3478 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: (N/A) Subj: QUESTIONS ON ADD OF BACTI Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) I would like to know if anyone has any experience with the addition of commercially prepared bacteria used for assisting the digestion of sludge in septic tank effluent. Doews it help at all in making the system work better ? Also, I have a sand filter for filtering the septage. Will this bacteria assist in establing a better culture of benefical bacteria which will break down the wastewater components better ? Thanks for your help and comments. <<<>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 08-02-92 (15:09) Number: 2512 of 3478 To: JIM PAVLICEK Refer#: NONE From: WAYNE GREER Read: 11-10-92 (17:02) HAS REPLIES Subj: BACTREIA & SEPTIC TANKS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) I am new to this system. I Read your message dated 3-18-92, with questions about bacteria additions to septic systems. I have information that you would be interested in. 601-734-6081. <<<>>> Page 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11-10-92 (17:02) Number: 3351 of 3478 To: WAYNE GREER Refer#: 2512 From: JIM PAVLICEK Read: 11-10-92 (20:02) Subj: BACTREIA & SEPTIC TANKS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: MAIN BOARD (0) Read Type: TEXT SCAN (+) Can you send it to me ? Send it to Jim Pavlicek, RD#2, Box 242-A, Cochranton, PA 16314. Sorry I took so long to reply... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard Sciences address as listed on the first page. Thank you for your consideration, interest and support. Jerry W. 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