[HN Gopher] Palantir loses legal challenge against Swiss investi...
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Palantir loses legal challenge against Swiss investigative magazine
Author : sschueller
Score : 220 points
Date : 2026-06-12 20:39 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| sschueller wrote:
| https://archive.ph/lXw7j
| catlikesshrimp wrote:
| If Cannot resolve archive.ph host
|
| Access the .is domain https://archive.is/lXw7j
|
| internet archive cannot resolve either
| tremon wrote:
| archive.ph works fine for me. Resolves to
| 168.222.241.49 archive.ph
| 2a09:b280:fe00:5a:d197:eab6:9aa0:f22 archive.ph
| akerl_ wrote:
| Archive.ph returns different results to Cloudflare's
| resolvers intentionally, preventing Cloudflare DNS users
| from resolving it correctly.
| buildsjets wrote:
| Find a better network service provider, you are being
| censored by yours.
| akerl_ wrote:
| What makes you say that?
| cluckindan wrote:
| Please don't use these sites, they alter archived content and
| use visitor browsers as a ddos botnet.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...
| themafia wrote:
| Then I'd have to ask of publishers please don't use
| subscription oriented paywalls. I'd be happy to pay for an
| article here and there. I do not want to understand your
| subscription model, compare benefits between "tiers" of
| subscriptions, or think about how to cancel when I eventually
| realize I'm not getting the value I hoped for.
|
| This is the price of that dark pattern. These sites wouldn't
| exist if they acted like publishers instead of retailers.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| > officials in Denmark and the Netherlands have similarly
| expressed a desire to uncouple from the US-based software group
|
| oh that is clever writing
| tokai wrote:
| I wonder which Danish official they are talking about. Lots of
| voices against it, but not from officials. The danish state is
| going full steam ahead. Just yesterday the Greenlandic police
| was integrated with Grotham from Palantir.
| holistio wrote:
| Anyone who has read The Lord of The Rings has exactly zero
| reasons to trust Palantir.
| DoktorDelta wrote:
| Crazy that there's a weapons company called Anduril as well
| nickff wrote:
| Why? Naming a weapons company after Aragorn's sword makes
| sense. "The Daily Beast" on the other hand is a rather
| cynical name...
| scns wrote:
| Creative people seem to be rather pacifistic. Warmongers seem
| less so, they have to "borrow" from the creative ones.
| goldenarm wrote:
| Anduril is quite a positive name, it is a broken sword
| reforged later to save humankind. Quite a metaphor about
| western reindustrialization.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| except of course that Tolkien, as a Catholic was quite
| adamant that he didn't write a story of Western chauvinism.
| The sword is not a metaphor for industrialization, which is
| quite literally the villain of the story, it's a symbol for
| restored kingship and hope.
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| Right, and his concept of nobility and just kingship was
| about mercy love justice and a love of nature, good food,
| merriment, harmony, and treating others with respect. His
| works are full of cautionary tales of people who reached
| for immortality, power, self-aggrandizement, and control
| over others and fell as a result.
|
| (Though he _was_ obsessed with lineage and blood
| quotients and pale skin)
| holistio wrote:
| It's very difficult to judge the attitudes and held
| values of people who lived in the past - I mean the
| parentheses.
|
| We don't know how much of it is real flaw or corruption
| and how much is just the zeitgeist they lived in.
|
| I wouldn't be at all surprised if Musk's capital T today
| would end up becoming the beginning or turning point of a
| cautionary tale in the future. And, for better or worse,
| I know a lot of otherwise great and talented people who
| are still his fans.
| DaedalusII wrote:
| tolkien largely copied the nibelungsenlied and
| accidentally inherited western chauvinism and many other
| ideas from that lore, including especially a great amount
| of racism
| alterom wrote:
| Crazy? It's backed by Thiel as well IIRC.
| inigyou wrote:
| I'd call my company Sauron's Eye (we'll figure out what the
| company does later), but sadly that's trademarked to the LOTR
| franchise.
| emptybits wrote:
| Indeed. The corporation name is literally (in _literature_!) an
| example of all-seeing surveillance tools causing harm when (not
| _if_ ) they fall into evil hands.
| za3faran wrote:
| It's enough to hear what their genocidal maniac of a CEO says.
| gmerc wrote:
| Well it's kind of the same with Rand. That's their thing, they
| read these books as preteens and the nuance is lost on them
| tremon wrote:
| > "We welcome that the Zurich Commercial Court confirmed our
| right to publish a counterstatement"
|
| Well that certainly is one way to spin having 22 of your 23
| counterstatement requests dismissed by the court.
| saghm wrote:
| Their right to publish multiple counterstatements is left
| unsettled by current law
| zzzeek wrote:
| > Palantir, whose software is widely used by US defence and
| intelligence agencies, has faced growing scrutiny in parts of
| Europe as governments reassess their dependence on American
| technology companies.
|
| I think it's great. Europe and other regions will be building out
| their own tech stacks, decreasing global dependence on big US
| players like AWS and Palantir, creating lots more jobs for
| programmers and much broader ecosystems for doing things.
| inigyou wrote:
| No evidence for this. Europe talks a big game and consistently
| fails to deliver.
| Yokohiii wrote:
| Wait europe doesn't want to buy spy tech that spies on europe?
| Shocking.
| scottyah wrote:
| Some people in Europe don't want new sources of data coming in
| outside of their control.
| baobabKoodaa wrote:
| Fine. Thiel will just fund a Hulk Hogan lawsuit against the Swiss
| magazine, then.
| timoth3y wrote:
| Palantir is clearly a mind-boggling on-the-nose, but terrible
| name to those familiar with the book.
|
| The Palantiri consistently provided their users technically
| accurate intelligence that lead to _disastrous_ strategic
| decisions.
|
| Denethor committed suicide out of despair, after a palantir
| showed him the black fleet approaching, but he did not know that
| it was actually Aragorn who had captured the fleet and was coming
| with reinforcements.
|
| We don't know specifically how the palantir deceived Saruman, but
| it's pretty clear it was one of the key factors in his corruption
| and downfall.
|
| And even Sauron himself was misled in this way! The palantir
| showed him, correctly, that a hobbit and Aragorn were at Helm's
| Deep, and he concluded that Aragorn had the ring. So he
| prematurely moved his armies out of Mordor and left the plains
| and Mt Doom unguarded, which permitted the destruction of the
| ring.
|
| I honestly can't think of a worse name for a company that
| provides intel for strategic decision making.
| WhatIsDukkha wrote:
| Saruman was already rotted by lust for the ring when he began
| to use the Palantir and then came into the presence of a
| dominating and corrupting will.
|
| So yeah... plenty of real world versions of that.
| AndrewKemendo wrote:
| As though the ego of Peter Thiel has any grounding in reality
| or ironic metaphor
| antonvs wrote:
| I can think of a worse name: Peter Thiel. Oh wait I'm confused.
| That's a better name for this.
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| I've pointed this out before, but there's an interview clip of
| Alex Karp saying that Trump won the election in a landslide[0].
|
| If you look at the actual numbers, no one, with any idea of
| mathematics or statistics or even just basic analysis skills,
| would call Trump's election victory a landslide.
|
| It calls into question the fundamental raisin d'etre of
| Palantir. It makes Palantir look like a pure propaganda tool.
|
| Therefore, also entirely useless for strategic decision making.
|
| Interesting analysis of Palantir and Alex Karp:
|
| Part 1, Palantir: https://youtu.be/PpEg0XIeFtA
|
| Part 2, Alex Karp: https://youtu.be/6YWFDhOps6I
|
| [0]https://youtu.be/6YWFDhOps6I&t=1119s
| holistio wrote:
| It's _raison_, but "raisin d'etre" would make an excellent
| name for a haute cuisine dessert.
| pstuart wrote:
| Alex Karp's transformation from progressive to MAGA is
| fascinating; more so knowing that his father was jewish and
| his mother was black.
|
| I can understand a zeal to "protect the country", but FFS, to
| be the brains of the secret police is a bit much.
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/opinion/alex-karp-
| palanti...
| warumdarum wrote:
| Its cellphones ? They show the rulers accurate predictions of
| human behaviour after the the fall of the towers proofed that
| the left only had enbarassing cofabulations to explain
| behaviour at scale. Thats the most valuable thing you can gain
| out of social network sensor data.
| teravor wrote:
| someone will name their company Ashnazg, probably an AI company
| LargoLasskhyfv wrote:
| Already happened. Ashnazg Enterprises LLC https://ashnazg.com
|
| No AI though, just fully stacked...
| GolfPopper wrote:
| > _I honestly can 't think of a worse name for a company that
| provides intel for strategic decision making._
|
| Yet the choice is very effective at telling those with eyes to
| see that the one who chose the name possesses only a surface-
| level understanding of what appears to be his favorite piece of
| literature.
| themafia wrote:
| Or he's broadcasting his intention to destroy world
| governments and institute a new global order under
| technocratic control. He's banking on a US General not
| understanding the deeper lore behind of the name.
| GolfPopper wrote:
| In folklore, supernatural monsters are often compelled to
| show their true selves in non-obvious ways.
| anonymars wrote:
| He literally considers Saruman the good guy, Mordor the
| good place, and Gandalf the bad guy (holding back
| technological progress)
|
| Discussed previously e.g.
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45901389
| mentalgear wrote:
| To all investigative Journalists: Thank you for your hard work,
| and for being an inspiration and beacon of hope in these dark
| techno-feudalistic times.
| dyauspitr wrote:
| Get this cancer out of Europe.
| irsagent wrote:
| Here are the series of articles that the Swiss investigative
| magazine, Republik + WAV, published and Palantir looked to
| silence: https://www.republik.ch/dossier/die-republik-vs-palantir
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