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#Post#: 833--------------------------------------------------
Fix win by CPU performance
By: reh Date: November 23, 2020, 1:49 pm
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A simple but effective strategy for zerg is: Build as many zerg
spawners as possible for the whole game. This will lead to
serious performance issues for all players.
You then add some stronger units and win by auto attack as zerg.
Some other players assumed that shattering is one of the main
reasons why performance goes down. Typically it happens with a
lot of marines. I did not investigate the reasons further.
Also in the same category (but I can open another bug for this):
Prevent to reach the max unit count that SC2 can handle. It
happens kind of easily if zerg adds a lot of unit spawners that
the max unit count is reached. Then, new units cannot be spawned
anymore (this can even prevent an ion) or get spawned and are
immobile (you must kill them to get rid of them to get new units
that can move).
#Post#: 835--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: Speed Date: November 23, 2020, 1:53 pm
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aVehicle told me about this yesterday...
The counter to ion block is to have 6 walls in your base that
you don't need. You destroy 1 of them, then you drop ion (wall
counts as unit, too)
6 walls cause 6 ions was enough back in that patch. Nowadays
you'd need 9 obviously.
#Post#: 842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: Forex Date: November 23, 2020, 4:42 pm
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Funny trick with the walls.
I think performance is a big issue of the game in general. I
think a 'minor mineral container' fix this and improve the game
a lot.
Cost: 40*2 - c_offset
Value: +2 spawner count
Tech: Req. t2 or t3
Size: 4x4 (it should not be space efficient)
c_offset could be 0 for the start (then they don't change the
balance a lot)
But I actually propose c_offset=10-20 to make it more
cost-efficient for zerg and give them a reason why they should
build them. It also gives them more build options in the early
game. Terran can react to that by pushing faster... makes the
game more reactive and fun
*making a new thread in New Ideas
#Post#: 853--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: Speed Date: November 24, 2020, 2:31 am
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Disagreed, at the earlier stages of the game, or be it mid
stage, zerg should build slowlings. At armor 2 / 3 terran should
still have pushing potential (or game is already over lol) so
why block your limited space with 4x4 buildings that will
ineffectively increase your income and not help you defend?
reh is talking about an abuse here where zerg deliberately spam
units... there is no need to add some weird new eco "spawner"
that or sure isn't balanced (either too strong or too weak,
likely way too weak) you can cap that without adding anything
new to the game. And these super late ion games are (hopefully)
a thing of the past anyway, so this *shouldn't* occure to be an
issue, however I'm not against adding some sort of mechanic that
will prevent zerg from creating a unit count that will deny ion
cannon deployment.
#Post#: 858--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: RickSanchez Date: November 24, 2020, 4:01 am
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Oftentimes poor hardware is the issue. I suggest 3rd generation
ryzen paired with something equal or stronger than NV GTX 1660
Super (for ultra setting with fhd 1080p 60hz monitor)
Also the engine is very old and handles masses of units not very
well. No matter how powerful your hardware is, at some point the
framerates drop.
Deepdiving the code told me, that there is some room for
improvments like inconsistent calls for the laserbeam animation
or modifications to the renderingengine, but still at some point
it all relies on the weakest pc in the match.
#Post#: 864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: RickSanchez Date: November 24, 2020, 8:15 am
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#Post#: 1022--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: WMaster Date: November 29, 2020, 11:05 am
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I've removed the impact models from Marines shatter effect. It
looked like the effects had light sources, and generally many
light sources on screen costs much processing, but this can vary
depending on implementation. Let me know if you notice any
difference.
About the camera settings, I wouldn't know why reducing the far
clipping plane would result in better performance with an almost
top-down view scenario. Reduction could help with Z-fighting,
but not so much with overall performance I feel like. Could give
it a try though.
#Post#: 1232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: reh Date: December 9, 2020, 7:30 pm
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It feels like it improved a bit, but is still gets quite bad if
a lot of marines shoot on a lot of zergs. Typically if one or
two players go for mass marines and the zerg goes for mass
zergs, then zerg win because I cannot react anymore properly
with the introduced delay due to performance. Sadly, this
scenario happens quite often nowadays as there are not that many
alternatives regarding playstyle.
#Post#: 1238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: Mett Gaming Date: December 10, 2020, 6:20 am
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Then the only thing you can do is to get a better cpu. Not the
zergs fault that your hardware can't handle the game :/
#Post#: 1247--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fix win by CPU performance
By: reh Date: December 10, 2020, 4:01 pm
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Well, unfortunately, there is no thing like "just" a better CPU.
Due to thermal limitations, single thread CPU performance has
basically not much changed for the last 15 years. SC2 does not
really utilize multiple cores. Therefore, this problem cannot be
solved by buying new hardware.
I agree that it is not the zergs fault, they just use a possible
strategy. Hence the bug thread here.
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