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#Post#: 8--------------------------------------------------
Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: ZergTriumph
Date: November 6, 2020, 11:45 am
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The game is terran favored. Everyone knows it. With 8 good
players who know how to play, terran will win every time. So
what can we do to fix this?
Zerg is strong early and late (as in very, very late), but in
the middle terran dominates. Zerg mid game needs a buff. You
could:
(1) Lower the cost of zerg supply increases (100 instead of
110).
(2) Lower the cost of zerg armor increases (1000, 2000, 3000,
4000, 5000 instead of 800, 1900, 4300, 5300, 8000).
(3) Buff primals, ultras and brutas.
(4) Lower the cooldown on ravs, infused and torras.
(5) Buff spines (higher starting health, armor, damage, range).
Add more large spines between the hives so terran can't win the
game from one side so easily.
You could also make zerg a single player team. Solo zerg is
much more powerful than two zergs.
It's a fun game, just terribly balanced when terran wins every
time.
#Post#: 12--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: RickSanchez
Date: November 6, 2020, 5:55 pm
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yes with 8 good players. sadly there are like 8 good players in
total left.
some of the changes i tried in my iteration of hex and it turned
out if you buff zerg even slightly it becomes even more
unplayable.
#Post#: 14--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: ZergTriumph
Date: November 6, 2020, 6:00 pm
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There are a lot of good players and lobbies fill up quickly.
The game is certainly not unplayable. It is just unbalanced. It
is still very fun. It can be fun and balanced with a few buffs
for zerg midgame.
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Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: RickSanchez
Date: November 6, 2020, 6:01 pm
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what server do you play?? CN?
#Post#: 18--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: RickSanchez
Date: November 6, 2020, 6:32 pm
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--- Quote from: ZergTriumph link ---
>
> There are a lot of good players and lobbies fill up quickly.
The game is certainly not unplayable. It is just unbalanced. It
is still very fun. It can be fun and balanced with a few buffs
for zerg midgame.
>
--- End Quote ---
if you make zergs midgame stronger we can stop playing it at
all. just go lobby all choose zerg, 2 win, 6 leave..
due to the sick amount of retards that even happens now. if you
(as a terran) have 2 mates that go 1 gas or even an inbasestrat
the only meaningful damage you can do is to leave before 2:15.
yes IF (GIGAIF) 6 Terrans know what they are doing they should
win. but that happens in 1 out of 50 games. in the last weeks it
turned out that you are superlucky if there is atleast one
terran that can handle to get and hold 3 gas early and also
pushes after 11 minute. in my experience 8 out of 10 terrans are
not worth my time and effort due to the fact that zerg will
punish you for having 3 gas and takes it maybe while your mates
sit back do nothing stare at their bases for 20 minutes and then
die to ravators.
Midgame should be the only time when terran have chance to win.
from 10th to 25th minute. if terrans fail that window they have
almost no chance but a super delayed 40 min elitepush (which is
stupid and totally not how the game should get played) or 35 min
gigabatball (which is super retarded due to OP chemplant) or ion
(which is most retarded of all - sit in base for an hour - thx
to Chemplant get level 30 walls and not even torra can break.
that is so gigastupid)
why would you close that window for terran? that would srsly rip
the game
#Post#: 21--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: ZergTriumph
Date: November 6, 2020, 6:57 pm
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The game should be balanced around players of equal skill.
Noobs are a fact of life in any arcade game. Balance shouldn't
cater to them. And it's far easier for terran to win with noob
teammates than if there is a noob zerg.
#Post#: 23--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 6, 2020, 7:00 pm
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Guys you are misunderstanding the zerg power lvl.
Zergs are not weak midgame right now. The roaches upgrade made
them godlike midgame lol
Zerg is ultra weak early game and ultra strong late game
Terran is ultra strong early game and become weak as time goes
by.
The game is a race for the terran and this is what i love as a
zerg hex player!!!!
in conclusion: Don't buff midgame zerg pliz or the game will
just be unplayable. What zerg need is a way to go to late game
without being dead.
#Post#: 24--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: ZergTriumph
Date: November 6, 2020, 7:09 pm
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We all seem to have different ideas about what constitutes
midgame. Let's try to agree on some defined terms:
(1) Phase One: The very beginning. Zerg can push back any
terran by focusing the first round or two of spawners on them.
(2) Phase Two: Terran gains the strength to hold their outside
gases.
(3) Phase Three: Terran can snipe spawners, nests and
extractors short of the large spines.
(4) Phase Four: Zerg tries to push terran back with roaches.
(5) Phase Five: Roaches, ravs and eventually brutas try to push
terrans back in their base.
(6) Phase Six: Endgame. Zerg breaks terran with torra/Omega,
or terran kills zerg with ion/elites/FBs.
I think that Phase Five is where zerg is too weak. It takes too
long for zerg to transition from roaches to brutas. Primals and
ultras are useless. With 6 good terrans, Zerg will die in this
phase every time. If zerg manages to survive long enough to get
brutas, the terran will have an overwhelming number of elites or
be safely in their base ready to ion. And if zerg tries to skip
roaches, the terrans will just kill the big spines and end the
game. Even if zerg has 20 infestors to heal spines, terrans
will just remake marines faster than infestors can recharge and
come back and kill the big spines.
I would also add that Phase Six (Endgame) takes too long. It
takes an incredibly long time for Zerg to get torras out to
break a turtled terran. This isn't a balance issue so much as a
fun issue. There are a lot of games where everyone sits doing
nothing for 10-20 minutes while zerg tries to get torras and
omegas.
#Post#: 25--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: RickSanchez
Date: November 6, 2020, 7:20 pm
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--- Quote from: ZergTriumph link ---
>
> I think that Phase Five is where zerg is too weak. It takes
too long for zerg to transition from roaches to brutas. Primals
and ultras are useless. With 6 good terrans, Zerg will die in
this phase every time. If zerg manages to survive long enough
to get brutas, the terran will have an overwhelming number of
elites or be safely in their base ready to ion. And if zerg
tries to skip roaches, the terrans will just kill the big spines
and end the game. Even if zerg has 20 infestors to heal spines,
terrans will just remake marines faster than infestors can
recharge and come back and kill the big spines.
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that is exaclty how it should be. 6 player having fun > 2
players having fun
it is design flaw that there is a chance left for terrans to win
after 30 minutes. fix that reduce fortification max level to 5
so they cant turtle so they have to be aggressiv so maybe just
maybe zerg has no freewin public.
i dont know who you playing with but obviously you have your own
secret stackparty or you are a troll. before all the noobtraps
got added it was kill zerg before ultra or die. easy as that.
--- Quote ---
> With 6 good terrans, Zerg will die in this phase every time.
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hopefully it stays like that or game is dead
also: if your lobbies are that stacked try play zergsquare which
includes many of the changes you want. problem: it gets retarded
with a single weak terran. everyone has to carry his on weight
there. that's why you never get a fun public game on it :D
#Post#: 28--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everyone agrees the game is unbalanced
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 6, 2020, 8:29 pm
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--- Quote from: ZergTriumph link ---
>
> We all seem to have different ideas about what constitutes
midgame. Let's try to agree on some defined terms:
>
> (1) Phase One: The very beginning. Zerg can push back any
terran by focusing the first round or two of spawners on them.
>
--- End Quote ---
You already are wrong x) Hard focus a terran early without doing
eco is a huge mistake. Ur goal is to build your eco while the
terran can't push because if you don't, you will have 0 late
game. Zerg goal is to win time, not to stop terran from
expanding. You must def using the less money u can. Capacity
upgrades and stuff like this are a trap for noobs. It will work
most games because 99% of terrans are noobs.
If you invest all your income to reboot one Terran and you don't
suceed because the terran is a good player, u can already leave
the game because u lost. This is a trap for noob x)
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