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#Post#: 640--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 21, 2020, 8:33 am
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I'm giving you lot of facts, you ignore all of them.
The Zerg army are spawned units that will respawn after they
die. Their value should be low. Furthermore they are T2 units.
T4 units can't even make these damages, we did the test.
Making wall is irrelevant for our point.
The point is that you cannot push against this. Which means the
only counter is to bunker. BUT, in the new patch, bunker will
lead most likely to death.
Therefore, if Roaches remains the same, Terrans are doomed.
This is logical guys, a basic brain can understand it.
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Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 21, 2020, 8:38 am
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> I'm giving you lot of facts, you ignore all of them.
>
> The Zerg army are spawned units that will respawn after they
die. Their value should be low. Furthermore they are T2 units.
T4 units can't even make these damages, we did the test.
>
> Making wall is irrelevant for our point.
>
> The point is that you cannot push against this. Which means
the only counter is to bunker. BUT, in the new patch, bunker
will lead most likely to death.
>
> Therefore, if Roaches remains the same, Terrans are doomed.
>
> This is logical guys, a basic brain can understand it.
>
--- End Quote ---
well its quite clear ur brain cant understand basic math
f2 means all zerg units are in ONE spot, what means ONE terran
cant push
in this video there are how many? 5 terrans?
not math expert here but I am quite sure 5-1terran that cant
push is still 4 terrans that can do whatever the hell they want
or maybe u are so pro after those 3 years of playing that u can
f2 5 people at once?
if so pls teach me senpai
#Post#: 642--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 21, 2020, 8:46 am
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The army you see in the video is not all of his units x). When
the Roaches die on red they respawn really fast.
Terrans just can't do enough damages meanwhile and will loose
their army pushing because Roaches speed is huge.
Btw this Zerg is a really good player. You guys don't have his
mechanics.
he killed half of my army 5sec before the video left bottom
side.
#Post#: 643--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Mehaperson
Date: November 21, 2020, 8:53 am
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> The army you see in the video is not all of his units x). When
the Roaches die on red they respawn really fast.
>
> Terrans just can't do enough damages meanwhile and will loose
their army pushing because Roaches speed is huge.
>
> Btw this Zerg is a really good player. You guys don't have his
mechanics.
>
> he killed half of my army 5sec before the video left bottom
side.
>
--- End Quote ---
So you don't think walls wouldve helped defend that attack?
Please don't answer with a2 units should've flopped there cause
not even a4 can do that. That isn't answering the question, it's
avoiding the question with an entirely different
discussion/point altogether.
#Post#: 644--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 21, 2020, 8:58 am
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Sure a wall is the counter of Roaches. His army would be alive
with a wall. He knows that perfectly...
This is not the point xD
The point is that if you invest all your actions into pushing
(which is the goal of the map), you will be killed by Tier 2
unit when u can clear easily tier 4 units.
You are the one avoiding our point x)
#Post#: 645--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: RickSanchez
Date: November 21, 2020, 8:58 am
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nt
#Post#: 646--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Mehaperson
Date: November 21, 2020, 9:03 am
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> Sure a wall is the counter of Roaches. His army would be alive
with a wall. He knows that perfectly...
>
> This is not the point xD
>
> The point is that if you invest all your actions into pushing
(which is the goal of the map), you will be killed by Tier 2
unit when u can clear easily tier 4 units.
>
> You are the one avoiding our point x)
>
--- End Quote ---
But we already agree with you that roaches need a nerf and vets
need a buff?
I honestly just think you're an argumentative person.
#Post#: 647--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 21, 2020, 9:04 am
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Did you see what said Wmaster ???
"I've looked at why Roaches seem to be so lethal and I've found
that Tar Roaches deal almost 400% DPS compared to Roaches"
Tar roaches do 400% damages WTF
But it is fine, let them one shot everything with more speed
than striklings lol...
Maybe i am wrong but it feels like you guys don't want Roaches
to be hard nerfed ? I'm only here to explain why we should
remove/hard nerf Tar roaches
#Post#: 648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Mehaperson
Date: November 21, 2020, 9:05 am
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> Did you see what said Wmaster ???
>
> "I've looked at why Roaches seem to be so lethal and I've
found that Tar Roaches deal almost 400% DPS compared to Roaches"
>
> Tar roaches do 400% damages WTF
>
> But it is fine, let them one shot everything with more speed
than striklings lol...
>
> Maybe i am wrong but it feels like you guys don't want Roaches
to be hard nerfed ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah like this right here.
#Post#: 649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 21, 2020, 9:07 am
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how about not being so single minded and instead of "putting all
ur actions into pushing" put 90% of actions into pushing and
then those 10% should allow u to get bloody wall
u know no one made a rule u need to be 100% agressive or 100%
turtle u can mix it a little, its fine
also to "adress ur point" goal of this map is win, u win by
killing other side before they kill u
to do so u need to take care of 2 things:
1 pushing
2 and staying alive long enough to be able to do 1
right now u just want to do 1 with 0 concerns about 2, so yea
point taken,its bad
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