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#Post#: 569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:03 pm
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u mean u cant push into free space when all enemy units are on
someone else?
also again we want speed to make a bloody wall, hid behind it
when roach ball come and push when it comes to someone else
where exactly u see word bunker here?
also zerg won with 4k total eco on 22 min when 5 terrans still
aliveXD
it speeks volumes about terrans themselves and not balance
also I just noticed - it wasnt 6 dmg and some speed... it was 11
dmg and speed 3 (as u can see on second 11 on hive).. and u want
zerg to not be able to do anything with literaly tens of
thousands spent on ups XDDDD
no comment
#Post#: 570--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:07 pm
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I would like to see you push with vets at 22 min against this
roachball.
We were obviously pushing at the same timing harassing him a lot
and it wasn't enough because every time you push, you loose
half/most of your army.
It is just impossible.
#Post#: 571--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Fiz
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> I would like to see you push with vets at 22 min against this
roachball.
>
> We were obviously pushing at the same timing harassing him a
lot and it wasn't enough because every time you push, you loose
half/most of your army.
>
> It is just impossible.
>
> And the Zerg did economy, something u don't know about called
"mineral extractors" <3
>
--- End Quote ---
In that case there is something wrong on what you are doing.
#Post#: 572--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:12 pm
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Oh yes, let me just invest all my money into army, then still
rely on a wall when I want to kill zerg.
I'm all-inning this game (not working / saving towards a
chemical)
You guys telling me to wall just shows how silly you all are and
how little you understand. You think you are really smart by
telling me a wall would fix all my problems, but you are
actually only proving your own stupidity.
You are telling a proxy 3 rax reaper to make an engineering bay
& a missile turret in his mineral line so mutalisks cannot take
out his eco (do you guys even play ladder and understand this?
Maybe someone with more patience will explain it to you.
Zerg hex is not a game of walls, it's just a messed idea you got
from this patch.
I don't need to explain this to you, you will not understand. I
didn't need walls, if roach wasn't as imbalanced as it is the
game was over 3minutes ago.
The solo zerg is <PvZAS>Sahar btw (I'm former PvZAS member
myself, I know Sahar well), Oayoo and I beat him twice before
this game, obviously going for the big brain strategy of
chemical + ion... boring games, but Sahar is really fast (130apm
avg is very easy for him in basically any game and he can go
faster than that)
This game should prove to you, Veteran is just not a unit in
it's current state^^ It's walking roach / brutalisk fodder
(always happy to see someone push their nests with veterans at
20minutes :D )
But instead you all are like "oh speed you fucking retard, you
needed to spend like 30 gas on walls, you are so bad at this
game". I'm better than all of you combined. By a lot.
#Post#: 573--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:15 pm
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Sorry my bad i guess i played badly
I only took 2 big spines against Roaches before loosing my army
to 10000 roaches at 22 min, so bad
I supose i should say that if i had serral, clem, innovation and
reynor with me, i would have win the game.
kappa
Btw why didn't you think about walls Speed ???
SO EASY OMG.
Make wall ====> 100% WINRATE GUYS. Players hate this guy, he
resolved Zerg hex.
You guys don't even understand that making wall is a noob trap
lol.
But because of Roaches upgrades they are now mandatory...
#Post#: 574--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:21 pm
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--- Quote from: <heXnab>Speed link ---
>
> Oh yes, let me just invest all my money into army, then still
rely on a wall when I want to kill zerg.
>
> I'm all-inning this game (not working / saving towards a
chemical)
>
> You guys telling me to wall just shows how silly you all are
and how little you understand. You think you are really smart by
telling me a wall would fix all my problems, but you are
actually only proving your own stupidity.
>
> You are telling a proxy 3 rax reaper to make an engineering
bay & a missile turret in his mineral line so mutalisks cannot
take out his eco (do you guys even play ladder and understand
this? Maybe someone with more patience will explain it to you.
>
> Zerg hex is not a game of walls, it's just a messed idea you
got from this patch.
>
> I don't need to explain this to you, you will not understand.
I didn't need walls, if roach wasn't as imbalanced as it is the
game was over 3minutes ago.
>
> The solo zerg is <PvZAS>Sahar btw (I'm former PvZAS member
myself, I know Sahar well), Oayoo and I beat him twice before
this game, obviously going for the big brain strategy of
chemical + ion... boring games, but Sahar is really fast (130apm
avg is very easy for him in basically any game and he can go
faster than that)
>
> This game should prove to you, Veteran is just not a unit in
it's current state^^ It's walking roach / brutalisk fodder
(always happy to see someone push their nests with veterans at
20minutes :D )
>
> But instead you all are like "oh speed you fucking retard, you
needed to spend like 30 gas on walls, you are so bad at this
game". I'm better than all of you combined. By a lot.
>
--- End Quote ---
considering zerg had literaly 2x more roaches than u had
marines I would say u did quite shitty job with this "investing
all into army"
#Post#: 575--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> Sorry my bad i guess i played badly
>
> I only took 2 big spines against Roaches before loosing my
army to 10000 roaches at 22 min, so bad
> I supose i should say that if i had serral, clem, innovation
and reynor with me, i would have win the game.
>
> kappa
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes! Terran needs literal pro players to beat roach, not 180 avg
apm noobs like me, I just cannot keep up with the game mechanics
sadly :/
Please Wmaster, buff terran so noobs like me can win!
49 vets at 22minutes is actually such a massive army x)
According to army value graph at end of game I had more army
value than zerg (granted the army value graph has issues for
arcade maps making it almost useless, but it's still some
information on some things if you've been looking at it every
time you played a game)
btw, the 70/100 terran, 70/100 "zerg main" terran told me to
wall... he died, while I lived... had he lived it was easy win
:D but people, and this most likely fits 90% of the guys
commenting, they all make a yard early, they all build it on
the low ground, and you never move it to the high ground... and
when the ravators break your walls and the roaches eat your army
you will just die, you will not be a part of the ion game. You
should not tell me how to play xD
#Post#: 576--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> Sorry my bad i guess i played badly
>
> I only took 2 big spines against Roaches before loosing my
army to 10000 roaches at 22 min, so bad
> I supose i should say that if i had serral, clem, innovation
and reynor with me, i would have win the game.
>
> kappa
>
> Btw why didn't you think about walls Speed ???
> SO EASY OMG.
>
> Make wall ====> 100% WINRATE GUYS. Players hate this guy, he
resolved Zerg hex.
>
> You guys don't even understand that making wall is a noob trap
lol.
> But because of Roaches upgrades they are now mandatory...
>
--- End Quote ---
yea I suppose with them it would work, or with anyone who does
not just butcher his eco and actualy try to balance pushing and
ecoing
u invested all into army and 0 eco and yet failed to kill zerg
before he get all the ups in the world and 30+ (lel) roach
spawners
I see no problem
#Post#: 577--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Fiz
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:27 pm
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--- Quote from: <heXnab>Speed link ---
>
> Oh yes, let me just invest all my money into army, then still
rely on a wall when I want to kill zerg.
>
> I'm all-inning this game (not working / saving towards a
chemical)
>
> You guys telling me to wall just shows how silly you all are
and how little you understand. You think you are really smart by
telling me a wall would fix all my problems, but you are
actually only proving your own stupidity.
>
> You are telling a proxy 3 rax reaper to make an engineering
bay & a missile turret in his mineral line so mutalisks cannot
take out his eco (do you guys even play ladder and understand
this? Maybe someone with more patience will explain it to you.
>
> Zerg hex is not a game of walls, it's just a messed idea you
got from this patch.
>
> I don't need to explain this to you, you will not understand.
I didn't need walls, if roach wasn't as imbalanced as it is the
game was over 3minutes ago.
>
> The solo zerg is <PvZAS>Sahar btw (I'm former PvZAS member
myself, I know Sahar well), Oayoo and I beat him twice before
this game, obviously going for the big brain strategy of
chemical + ion... boring games, but Sahar is really fast (130apm
avg is very easy for him in basically any game and he can go
faster than that)
>
> This game should prove to you, Veteran is just not a unit in
it's current state^^ It's walking roach / brutalisk fodder
(always happy to see someone push their nests with veterans at
20minutes :D )
>
> But instead you all are like "oh speed you fucking retard, you
needed to spend like 30 gas on walls, you are so bad at this
game". I'm better than all of you combined. By a lot.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not a game of wall, true, but why are walls in the game if they
aren't supposed to be used. It could help in a lot of problems,
like not losing all your marines, instead of losing only a wall
or even if that. Im not forcing to use walls, they are just good
and you should probably try them out since you are "better than
all of us combined"... Also you should adapt on how the game is
going, like in ladder, but no... focus on 1 thing.
Btw PvZAS? Neverheard.. probably I am way too ignorant, but that
is not the case here...
I am not biased about hex but that is just me or maybe I am, who
knows...
#Post#: 578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Veterans & Elites
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 1:30 pm
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Walls are in the game to close off the runby paths. Not to sit
behind them.
You guys should know this, but a wall, even with 2 gates will
make you slower to move out. And don't say make more gates
please... gates are the weak spots of your wall, might as well
not wall then.
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