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#Post#: 517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 5:59 am
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I certainly want 2 good terrans to 100% win vs. you adam.
Effortlessly.
#Post#: 518--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 20, 2020, 6:06 am
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As long as you are able to keep your big spines, Zergs are fine.
If you build mass spawners at front, u are asking for a beating.
Upgrading mass capacity isn't slowing Terran lol. It reboots the
Terran out of low-ground making him pretty much useless all
game. Then you just have to switch focus to the next Terran.
This can be a nice strat against really good players to just put
them out of the game. BUT, Zerg should pay the price for that
and right now, because of the Roaches tech, they don't x)
I repeat, No risks, High reward.
I guess i will just have to repeat that again after your next
message :)
#Post#: 519--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 6:30 am
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> As long as you are able to keep your big spines, Zergs are
fine. If you build mass spawners at front, u are asking for a
beating.
>
> Upgrading mass capacity isn't slowing Terran lol. It reboots
the Terran out of low-ground making him pretty much useless all
game. Then you just have to switch focus to the next Terran.
>
> This can be a nice strat against really good players to just
put them out of the game. BUT, Zerg should pay the price for
that and right now, because of the Roaches tech, they don't x)
>
> I repeat, No risks, High reward.
>
> I guess i will just have to repeat that again after your next
message :)
>
--- End Quote ---
yea
1 terran
sure if u just focus one terran all the time he will be useless
no matter what
and zerg pays the price of it by letting other 2 totaly free
if zerg focused one person for the first 5 min then there is no
chance for him to push any other terran all the way back up ramp
before roach (unless terran said terran is bad)
and if it is split focus/changing focus from 1 to other then at
some point u will get enough stuff to get ur lowground anyway
later as it is
and if it is 3 way focus aka f2 around all 3 terrans it just do
nothing (again unless terran is bad)
#Post#: 520--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 6:34 am
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--- Quote from: <heXnab>Speed link ---
>
> I certainly want 2 good terrans to 100% win vs. you adam.
Effortlessly.
>
--- End Quote ---
again as good terran as u may be(tho u could work on not losing
so much to focus) ur opinion on anything zerg related is totaly
worthless to me, stop playing pre picked all the time and then u
can start talking what is zerg meta and whats not
I mean... most people play this mode alone,u can see it in any
random lobby, 2+ people joining together in a party happens very
rarly as most are playing "solo with randoms" and this is what
this game should be balanced around, not some fancy eco sharing
not possible in anything other than playing with buddy
yet ur opinion on this most common way of playing is (and here
quote) "Fuck playing with random zerg / 5 random terrans
omegalul."
I honestly dont see why anything u say about balance should be
as much as considered with such attitude
#Post#: 521--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Oayoo
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:08 am
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--- Quote from: Adam link ---
>
>
> yea
> 1 terran
>
--- End Quote ---
You can outplay 2 good Terrans if you do it well and the last
one will probably be some noob you can ignore 99,9999% of games
(F2 + capacity)
You will have time to make Roaches easily and win effortlessly.
2 perfect Terrans SAME SIDE is already ULTRA RARE even for
premade (splited most of the time).
I repeat again: No risks, High reward.
However, if there is a real nerf on Roaches, there is no need
for capacity nerf.
#Post#: 522--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:16 am
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What's the issue with premades? Just have friends... oh wait,
wait... I see :D
Sorry buddy.
You'd be an S-5 Zealot in pvz with a 80% win rate that thinks is
skilled because you can beat me with 2 huntards XD. Meanwhile
I'm S-40+. 90%+ win rate without huntards. Barely noticeable
difference in skill :p
#Post#: 523--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:20 am
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--- Quote from: <heXnab>Speed link ---
>
> What's the issue with premades? Just have friends... oh wait,
wait... I see :D
>
> Sorry buddy.
>
> You'd be an S-5 Zealot in pvz with a 80% win rate that thinks
is skilled because you can beat me with 2 huntards XD. Meanwhile
I'm S-40+. 90%+ win rate without huntards. Barely noticeable
difference in skill :p
>
--- End Quote ---
I beaten you when u had oayoo on ur side so shhh there
#Post#: 524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:22 am
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It's fine. Wmaster can implement the patch as proposed and it
will really help with turtling! So that's awesome. :)
To counter roach I will just stack 2-3 hexnabs in my games
instead of just 1 :D Will be slightly harder to get games, sadly
there is too few hexnabs :/ Anyway, it will be fine, even though
I'd really prefer veteran price to be 35 minerals^^
#Post#: 525--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Speed
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:23 am
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--- Quote from: Adam link ---
>
>
>
> I beaten you when u had oayoo on ur side so shhh there
>
--- End Quote ---
I remember that game! Terrans won at 26minutes, didn't they? :D
Easiest game of my life. Didn't even need to T1 cause I had no
money :)
#Post#: 526--------------------------------------------------
Re: Balance Take 1 – Firebat, Roach, Bunker, Beastling
DIR By: Adam
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:23 am
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--- Quote from: Oayoo link ---
>
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=58.msg519#msg519
date=1605875449]
>
> yea
> 1 terran
>
--- End Quote ---
You can outplay 2 good Terrans if you do it well and the last
one will probably be some noob you can ignore 99,9999% of games
(F2 + capacity)
You will have time to make Roaches easily and win effortlessly.
2 perfect Terrans SAME SIDE is already ULTRA RARE even for
premade (splited most of the time).
I repeat again: No risks, High reward.
However, if there is a real nerf on Roaches, there is no need
for capacity nerf.
[/quote]
u can stop 2 good terrans from ending with t1 thats true, but
isnt it kind of the point IF zerg exacture pressure well (target
scvs, micro out of forward wall pieces, know when to switch
between 2 people and some more I dont remeber right now) he
should be able to somehow delay terrans and force them to switch
tactic
also IF zerg do it well, if not then with uped spawners if he
dont do enough dmg he will fall behid on eco
also do not say as if 2 good zergs are that much common
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