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       #Post#: 1215--------------------------------------------------
       Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Ecanos Date: December 9, 2020, 12:48 pm
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       Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       #Post#: 1216--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: elon.schools@yahoo.com Date: December 9, 2020, 1:01 pm
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       Why should middle get gen 3 at the start? Why should middle get
       special privilege when its no different than the sides besides
       positioning
       #Post#: 1219--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Ecanos Date: December 9, 2020, 1:33 pm
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       [quote author=That Strait Smith link=topic=130.msg1216#msg1216
       date=1607540487]
       Why should middle get gen 3 at the start? Why should middle get
       special privilege when its no different than the sides besides
       positioning
       [/quote]
       because i am a noob and got the RedSpawner Energy ripped?
       Reapers can t hold the start...
       shocktrupper has the power to hold all. but you not have the
       energy.
       My problem is, that i hit the Stone and kill the energy.
       but i got some (5) startspawner of the first supply + red.
       if you want have no energy problem, you can play with mouse and
       cat(zerg). Yes if you not focus, this work easy.
       #Post#: 1221--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Speed Date: December 9, 2020, 1:34 pm
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       [quote author=That Strait Smith link=topic=130.msg1216#msg1216
       date=1607540487]
       Why should middle get gen 3 at the start? Why should middle get
       special privilege when its no different than the sides besides
       positioning
       [/quote]
       Cause middle is white /s
       #Post#: 1224--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Ecanos Date: December 9, 2020, 2:33 pm
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       okay maybe genlvl3 is a bit to much help.
       but gen lvl 2 would be legitim.
       Tesla/pylon at start in base, can t help if you have gen lvl 0..
       wow thanks look at that, we didnt start at gen lvl0 :)
       I have another Thread in Forum (Subject)
       about Pylon without yard tech
       or lower mineral because no use of energy save like it was
       before 400energy safe was 40mineral.
       400 energy safe is deleted, price is same...
       not so nice :D
       but my problem is more to build a Yard because I eat the Vespene
       faster than i have 100.
       #Post#: 1225--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: RickSanchez Date: December 9, 2020, 2:45 pm
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       or give mid a free reaper, or extend the outer sea to prevent f2
       hitting you on 3 side at once, or give him flat 1k energy to
       compensate for the increased pressure. 1k is alot like 2 extra
       marines until your own eco kicks in
       #Post#: 1226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Speed Date: December 9, 2020, 4:04 pm
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       Being in middle is certainly a bit worse than being on a side
       (
  HTML https://zerghex.createaforum.com/new-ideas/can-we-please-revisit-the-mid-positions/),<br
       />however a braindead buff is not something I'd like. I'd rather
       see a re-design to make the gasses more defendable and / or move
       the entirety of middle terran a few blocks farther away from
       zerg.
       #Post#: 1230--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: elon.schools@yahoo.com Date: December 9, 2020, 6:18 pm
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       I am with you speed, if we buff mid then all that will do is
       make zerg target side. And then we are in the same position
       where you cant hold early if zerg just all ins you. As a solo
       terran you should not be able to hold all early spawners built
       on you unless A: Zerg is trash B:You have amazing micro and know
       what you are doing. If we just buff all terrans with something
       similar all it will do is make it easier to kill zerg(which can
       be done with 2 players who know what they are doing)
       #Post#: 1241--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Ecanos Date: December 10, 2020, 10:51 am
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       [quote author=RickSanchez link=topic=130.msg1225#msg1225
       date=1607546743]
       or give mid a free reaper, or extend the outer sea to prevent f2
       hitting you on 3 side at once, or give him flat 1k energy to
       compensate for the increased pressure. 1k is alot like 2 extra
       marines until your own eco kicks in
       [/quote]
       reaper hilft am wenigsten, weil er hp technisch mit 3-5 hits
       kaputt ist.
       ich mag zwar Reaper, Reaper sind Technisch mit ihrer Range dem
       Marine stark unterlegen. (sowie in hp wie oben beschrieben).
       Eigentlich hat die Marine viel zu viel hp, für das was sie sich
       an Sicherheit Splash/Splitter Damage und +1 angriff erarbeiten
       kann.
       Eigentlich hat das Marinchen von Haus aus 10hp zu viel, ob man
       ein schild hat. Aber keine Ahnung. Ist einfach sehr viel
       handelbarer als ein Reaper, der ganz allein ist und direkt mit
       dem 8Unit Grüppchen zerstört wird, weil hp und angriffsstärke
       schwach sind.
       For the English Conversation:
       1 Reaper is helpful for the energy and vision * I agree.
       1 Reaper vs 3-8 units of zerg, Reaper destroyed, dead. *info
       1k start energy is to much
       200 Energy in Gen would be okay.
       [quote author=<heXnab>Speed link=topic=130.msg1226#msg1226
       date=1607551493]
       Being in middle is certainly a bit worse than being on a side
       (
  HTML https://zerghex.createaforum.com/new-ideas/can-we-please-revisit-the-mid-positions/),<br
       />however a braindead buff is not something I'd like. I'd rather
       see a re-design to make the gasses more defendable and / or move
       the entirety of middle terran a few blocks farther away from
       zerg.
       [/quote]
       yeah middle Raffenery 3 is really bad position, really hard to
       defend. but in the start, raffenery 2 also try hard to micro the
       zerg out.
       #Post#: 1242--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Middleposition need Generator lvl 3 at start.... ???
       By: Mett Gaming Date: December 10, 2020, 11:08 am
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       I mean honestly just get better at micro, that's all I can say
       :P
       Mid position is fine, yes third gas could be a bit easier to
       defend but other than that nothing needs to change. I like the
       variety in starting positions. I'm completely against making the
       game easier for terrans. You can already kinda hold an f2
       without losing to much ground which is frustrating enough as
       zerg up to the point where I've given up on that ages ago. And
       as Rick said the way that the spawners auto rally makes it that
       mid is easier to hold onto 3 gases than the sides are because
       you can keep your units closer together and still kill all
       slowlings coming your way. Terran needs to keep some weaknesses.
       On another note it's easier to take 2 additional gases on mid
       because they are out of vision and many zerg will not check
       those regularly. + once you are established mid is as hard to
       break as any other side.
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