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#Post#: 1185--------------------------------------------------
Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: AAAAPPPPP Date: December 7, 2020, 9:23 pm
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Against 6 good terran players the game is completely unwinnable,
however even against only 4 competent terrans the game still
tilts hard in favor of the terran players. Zerg has 0 effective
early game options against terran t1 and t2 pushes- roaches are
completely useless this patch and zerg players are forced to
tech through to at least primals to have a chance at surviving a
two pronged early-mid game push.
The only skill expression a zerg has is picking off extractors
with strikelings and transfusing their large spines. If they
fail at either of those objectives the game is over at a quicker
rate, however even if they succeed at both they still can't
impact a terran player without rushing late game tech. The only
chance that a zerg player has of winning the game is to hope
that the terran players act incompetently enough to gift them
the win.
If anyone can provide a successful zerg strategy that relies on
the zerg's execution and not on terran incompetence, i would
love to be proven wrong.
#Post#: 1187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: Speed Date: December 8, 2020, 8:30 am
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And before the patch? Massing roach with ups + ravator and F2ing
people is not exactly an expression of skill either. You were
hoping for terrans to be too weak with that ****, too.
Edit: Also roach zerg still is a pain to kill. The best way for
terran to win is when zerg is still small, but it requires more
than 1 terran on each side to be good usually.
#Post#: 1188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: ZergTriumph Date: December 8, 2020, 2:24 pm
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Zerg is too weak. Every game is decided by lobby selection. If
there are enough good terrans, it is basically impossible for
zerg to win. Even Najdorf and Demon couldn't beat a lobby of
above average terrans.
The best zerg strat seems to be early pressure into mass roach.
Just make more and more roaches and ravators and F2 one terran
after another. This can usually drain the energy of most terran
armies and force them back to the high ground, but if the
terrans play it right, they can survive long enough to ion.
If zerg tries to eco into Armor 5 from the beginning, too many
terrans are playing aggressive these days and will just kill
you.
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Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: Speed Date: December 8, 2020, 3:18 pm
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Haven't lost a game as zerg yet... must be a lot of lobby luck I
guess.
However if I have that much lobby luck, other people must have
some lobby luck, too? So if everyone is still winning a fair
share of games, I don't really see too much of an issue. If you
buff zerg to the point that they can beat skilled aggressive
terrans, or even just mediocre aggressive terrans, then bad
terrans will not be an issue, even if they play aggressive, you
will need good aggressive terrans EVERY lobby, backed with
mediocre terran that contribute on top of that... aka zerg will
freewin the large majority of public lobbies (I suspect zerg had
> 50% win rate in last patch and still has >50% in this patch).
There's just so many bad / passive terrans, but I'm glad to hear
zerg doesn't win ever lobby, that would be kinda sad x)
Try this cheat as zerg: share your resources with your ally,
apparently I suck as zerg and won only because of that. x)
Also I'm tired of you bringing up that 1 game Najdorf lost as
zerg... I won vs. space + oayoo easily with him, something that
should hardly be possible in an even game, let alone a game
that's terran favoured zzzzzz.
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Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: AAAAPPPPP Date: December 8, 2020, 3:25 pm
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How do you defend from T1/T2 pushes from multiple terrans? Post
a replay of you winning as zerg against a team of competent,
aggressive early game terrans and prove me wrong.
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Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: ZergTriumph Date: December 8, 2020, 3:27 pm
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[quote author=<heXnab>Speed link=topic=129.msg1189#msg1189
date=1607462321]
Haven't lost a game as zerg yet... must be a lot of lobby luck I
guess.
However if I have that much lobby luck, other people must have
some lobby luck, too? So if everyone is still winning a fair
share of games, I don't really see too much of an issue. If you
buff zerg to the point that they can beat skilled aggressive
terrans, or even just mediocre aggressive terrans, then bad
terrans will not be an issue, even if they play aggressive, you
will need good aggressive terrans EVERY lobby, backed with
mediocre terran that contribute on top of that... aka zerg will
freewin the large majority of public lobbies (I suspect zerg had
> 50% win rate in last patch and still has >50% in this patch).
There's just so many bad / passive terrans, but I'm glad to hear
zerg doesn't win ever lobby, that would be kinda sad x)
Try this cheat as zerg: share your resources with your ally,
apparently I suck as zerg and won only because of that. x)
Also I'm tired of you bringing up that 1 game Najdorf lost as
zerg... I won vs. space + oayoo easily with him, something that
should hardly be possible in an even game, let alone a game
that's terran favoured zzzzzz.
[/quote]
If you play this game half as much as you post on here, almost
certainly under an alt, then you definitely have lost as zerg a
lot and are just spewing bullshit on here.
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Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: Speed Date: December 8, 2020, 4:31 pm
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Sadly I do spent more time writing than playing (at least it
feels that way), because people like you keep spewing bullshit
sadly :)
Nonetheless, I didn't lose a zerg game yet. Surely it's possible
to lose for me in this patch, just like last patch, but with a
decent understanding of the game and using almost every edge I
can get, I'm easily going to keep a good record :)
I think I might not have touched my alt account so far, kinda
nice to have the 69/3 + 24/0 stats as a reminder of how well I
figured out the last patch. I should do a new smurf / reset bank
once I think I figured out this patch and then see where I can
get^^
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Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: Speed Date: December 8, 2020, 4:38 pm
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[quote author=AAAAPPPPP link=topic=129.msg1190#msg1190
date=1607462749]
How do you defend from T1/T2 pushes from multiple terrans? Post
a replay of you winning as zerg against a team of competent,
aggressive early game terrans and prove me wrong.
[/quote]
Sadly I'm not playing against teams of competent, agressive
early game terrans, I posted a replay that was somewhat close
with several terrans pushing, but Adam analyzed it and came to
the conclusion that all but 1 terran sucked sadly. I'll re-post
it here anyways, in case you are curious anyways^^
(
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YXUtp2FXNbK_AL1MndnUtkYlsOrWG1Tx/view?usp=sharing)
Is at least top 3 of closest games I played this patch.
#Post#: 1194--------------------------------------------------
Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: Mett Gaming Date: December 8, 2020, 5:47 pm
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Alright my 2cts here. I too have struggled quite a bit with zerg
at the start of the patch. I'm not gonna bs anyone that you can
win against 6 competent terrans that are coordinating. That is
actually the 100% win rate play that terrans can do. So no you
won't hold against that. If there are is 1 terran per side that
is not pushing aggressively past the first nest you do however
have a pretty good chance of pulling through (given that you
have a good teammate and are coordinating)
We recently discovered that an infused rush is quite powerful.
Get 6 infestors each at 8 mins and try to feed them off walls.
Then at 2k eco you rush armor 3 and try to get that by 17mins.
Depending on how well your feeding goes you'll have 4 infused
roaches by 18-19mins. Get 3attack ups one or two speed ups and
you can pretty reliably push any terran back up his ramp if not
outright kill them. In the meantime you get primal roaches to
hold off pushes as long as you can. Once the inf roaches are out
and you start killing terrans get a single roach spawner for the
upgrades. You'll only have 2-3k eco at 20mins (depending on how
many spawners you've lost) but that is enough to get all the
upgrades. After you've killed most of the terrans and the
remaining ones turtled in you can eco up some more and get
whatever you need to break the turtles.
I'll upload a video or three of that in the next view days on my
YT channel so that you can see for yourself. But so far it seems
the most reliable way to win if you have a teammate that is
capable of a high level of communication and teamplay.
(voice chat strongly recommended but actually not necessary Adam
and Smith managed to pull that off without voice (credit goes to
them for field testing it after we theorised it in discord)
#Post#: 1195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Zerg is ridiculously weak this patch
By: Speed Date: December 8, 2020, 6:21 pm
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But Adam said there was no way to win? Why are you spreading
lies about him winning? :d
Nah just kidding^^ :)
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