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#Post#: 508--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 8:25 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=56.msg444#msg444
date=1663797886]
Do you realise the irony of you claiming you don't need to
provide any proof but asking everyone to proved some?
[/quote]
I have provided proofs and showed that you haven't. I have
answered all your arguments and questions and even asked that
did i missed some. But you fail to answer questions and
arguments and i noted that many times. There is no need to
define something irony when most of the times what you say gets
proved to be wrong. Just be adequate and tell your argument and
no need to say if there is sadness in your argument, or irony or
other emotion.
Show where i didn't provide the so called proof? There is no
need for some kind of scientific proof method in entertainment
and logical conclusions are fine to prove points and that i did.
And you didn't complain that i missed some proofs or answers.
#Post#: 509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 8:28 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=56.msg444#msg444
date=1663797886]
Anyway, you cannot claim it is an exemple of financial loss that
leads to a suicide if you cannot prove a suicide happen, that's
the burden of proof. At best you can claim it is an exemple of
financial loss and then said that financial loss may be a cause
of suicide
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)#:~:text=The%20term%20%22burden%20of%20proof%22%20is%20a%20party%27s,of%20proof%20such%20as%20preponderance%20of%20the%20evidence%29.
[/quote]
Yes, i can. But i didn't. I didn't talk about the chain
report-depression-bankrupcy-suicide. But also such chain is
adequate.
My chain was: report-financial loss and report-suicide.
So, your opinion was about your own new chain and there is no
need to adress it to me. I refuse to open your links if again
already before opening the link we found you to be wrong.
#Post#: 511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 9:00 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=14.msg485#msg485
date=1663882360]
I never suggested you use the 12km torpedoes.
[/quote]
And i never said that you suggested such thing.
You said: "continue to use the 20km torpedoes on shima". That is
a suggestion. So, you suggested. And i didn't say that you
suggested 12km torps or 20km torps or 40 km torps, therefore you
don't have to assume that i suggested anything like that. Did i
say somewhere that you suggested 12km torpedos, or 40km
torpedos? No, i didn't. So, why do you claim that? Let's assume
your read wrongly etc. Or correct, maybe i really said somewhere
else that you suggested to me 12 km torps?
Relevant is: you made an example suggestion which wows community
suggests to listen to get better rating. And that useless
knowledge advice example is typical in Wows and debunks the
"lsiten smarter ones suggestions" argument. Additionally,
important is that you misinterpreted text. We can use your such
msitakes in the final review. Important is also that you deny
that you suggested soemthing but clearly you did. And important
is that giving info about torps is offtopic. The topic does not
talk about apples, torps, etc. It talks about brainwashed
beleives. Specially it talked this time that people believe that
some torps are better than others because the community spreads
brainwashed believes. There was no place to start to talk about
different ships and their torps. So, your input was offtopical.
Those things are important and numbers like 12, 20 and 40 are
not.
#Post#: 512--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 9:23 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=14.msg485#msg485
date=1663882360]
[quote]
It something has 1 big advantage and the other 3 minor
advantages then the math 1 is less than 3 doesn't make the first
one worse because all 4 advantages have different weight. 1 big
can be msot times better than 3 or 5 small ones in total.
The advantages you named are useful in smaller maps which has
lot of rocks. But in Rankeds and in Randoms most maps have lot
of water for 20 km torps and not much rocks and lot of 12-km
radar cruisers. That makes obviously 12km range better in
general.
[/quote]
What you think are big advantage may be a very small advantage
to other players. it's a trade off : you get longer range on
your torpedoes but it's harder to hit with them. You value the
safety of the long range. Other players value the consistency of
hitting. Both are valid
[/quote]
Here you say clearly again that there are no golden truth. You
can say that to everything and in that case you debunk things
related to skills, Knowledge, Tactics and other such words. For
example you debunk the slogan "listen to Better players to be
come Good". You debunk your such popular belief because there
are no need to lsiten to anybody. As you say, some things work
for some players and other things to other players, one
advantage works one time and the other may work too, etc. That
controversy opinion debunks all belief in any skills.
Also you don't provide any concrete arguments compared to mine.
For examples i talk clearly about game leagues and maps and
radars and show where one advantage finds more use than the
other.
We can use your opinion "everything is smart" to debunk your
skill-related opinions in the last resume. But i doubpt that
many people would find your overgeneral opinion about torp usage
useful.
#Post#: 513--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 9:42 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=14.msg485#msg485
date=1663882360]
[quote author=wows link=topic=14.msg481#msg481 date=1663872220]
[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=14.msg460#msg460
date=1663801853]
People say this from their personal experience : they have more
success using 12km rather than 20km torpedoes on shima.
[/quote]
Your opinion differs from mine here but we can't convince very
easily whose opinion is mor close to the truth.
Your opinion about people is different than mine.
Your opinion is that people say things based on their
experience.
I don't have such opinion because folowing reasons. Many 12-km
supporters talk come in battles from primitive ship holders and
not DDs. So, i doubt that they have much experience with DDs at
all and doesn't understand much about torpedo attribues and DD
roles at all. And their opinion originates therefore from
elsewhere than their experience. In game chat people say often
things that are popular to say and popular in forum to say and
12-km opinion is visible from tiem to time. and they have just
copied that opinion from others. It is obvious that they
wouldn't dare to say anything that is not popular, so express
their community belonging as the community opinion about DD
torpedo things. The community does not spread the opinion that
20 km torps are better so they are afraid to come out with such
opinion. That's why they jsut repeat all together that 12 km
torpedo is better and many of them express it typically toxic
way that is common for the community. So, they attack those who
don't believe community opinions. And partially show that they
have the so called knowledge/opinion and look smart.
I personally haven't seen much success with 12 km torps from
other players.
[/quote]
No sources, no statistics, you are saying things you think are
true without any support. the entire thing can be ignored. I can
find many people playing shima on youtube and explaining why
they use 12km torpedoes. This part also shows you like posing as
a victime a lot
[/quote]
If you ask sources of chats where people talk about 12km torps
then we will collect them in the future here. We have already
collected chat examples as a source for "people say". Have you
provided any such chat source anywhere? No. Then don't expect
that others have such chat sources so easily to take. If others
say that their experience i nchats has been so then why to think
that they imagine something or lie? There is no need for
sources. The source is my experience in game chat and you can
remeber your chats as well if you can remember any talks about
the topic. That is more than enough for the beginning and no
need to start to collect examples yet.
What kind of statistics do you ask? Do you think that one should
make a survey and ask which Shima torps they prefer? We can do
that later as well but unti lthen it is fine if we talk what we
see. For example, do we see in the forum and in chats that
people are negative against WG and MM? Yes, so we don't need a
survey and survey is not often suitable in brainwashed
communities. The same is for 12km topic. I have seen it 10+
times for sure and never seen people to support the 20km option.
So, there is no survey needed, and no stats needed. If you look
your opinions then you don't provide statistics either. for
example if you say that people who don't listen Better players
don't get better rates then you don't provide such
survey/research. I don't think that asking statistics is
reasonable.
You say that you have seen many people suggesting 12km torps
more to others. Well, my experience is different, that i see ca
10+ to suggest others to use 20 km torps. Those are equal
opinions and no survey and statistics is needed here.
You even added that all torpedo types can work for different
people or in other words "there is no golden knowledge in wows".
So, why you at all ask or doubpt then in my chat experience with
10+ people.
You say that some of my post can be ignored. It is that part
that explains why 12km-support is popular opinion in the
community. This topic talks why things are like they are and
specially brainwashed things. So, there is nothing to ignore but
intopical explanation. But your input was offtopical and such
things are reasonable to ignore. It does not matter if you write
truth or not, you are in most times out of topic. In your
community it is called derailing as i remember. And there say
suggest to ignore derailers. I don't ignore my input and it goes
to the Wikipedia. But your text won't go because it does not
talk about the topic. Your input will be ignored. So, this is
the reality about ignoring. I suggest you to ignore all topics
in this forum except your interview topic.
#Post#: 514--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 10:03 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=14.msg484#msg484
date=1663881739]
[quote author=wows link=topic=14.msg471#msg471 date=1663849889]
You describe obsessive behaviour in entertainment which is not
mentally fine and makes stress and sufferings. While a typical
entertainment enjoyer like me enjoys and relaxes you as obsessed
wows typical player are stressed and spreads negativity.
I assume there are psychological reasons why one is mentally
unstable and obsessed etc and so called toxic. The cure for such
sufferings is a guru in my opinion. Lot of dialogues, debates,
which the sick one obviously loses but little by little comes to
reality and becomes well.
If one claims that he likes the so called toxicity/racism, then
it is sadism and grows sooner or later bigger problems, like
crime, suicides, etc.
[/quote]
You are just coping because you are bad and can't win often.
Your reasoning is "i don't care if i win i had fun". This is
another reason you still are bad at the game. You don't see a
point to improve because you aren't looking to win
[quote author=wows link=topic=14.msg471#msg471 date=1663849889]
I don't see why it is not enough to show skills 1 time per year
like in sports? But in Wows I am every day many times TOP 1 in
Gold league, and that is the truth and can be proved if someone
doubts again. Isn't that enough to prove skills and enjoy
victories? It can't be luck even for the most brainwashed
believer and again proof replays can be provided.
[/quote]
I have seen many screenshots of you at the bottom position on
the scoreboard and 0 of you occupying the top position. When you
say you are 1st very often, i expect you to provide proof. You
have played 11 ranked game today :
HTML https://wows-numbers.com/player/503598166,Fastmotion/?type=rank<br
/>(picture at the time of writing :
HTML https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948695325151993928/1022617857256861787/unknown.png?width=1165&height=559<br
/>) Were you first in at least 3 or 4 of them ? Going into
details, you played 5 games in shimakaze, dealing an average of
13000 damage per battle (which isn't even the damage of 1 shima
torpedo. Which means you land less than 1 torpedo per game on
average. Which is a very bad performance) and only winning 1. I
don't think you were at the top of any scoreboard in theses
shima games. You died Without doing any damage in your vampire
II game so I very much doubt you were first in this game too.
Doing well 1 time can happen out of luck. It isn't show of skill
that happen once in a while. You just get lucky sometimes
without knowing why you are suddently doing well because you
happen to be in a good position. This is the difference between
you, a 42% player and a 65% player, they will get into this good
position by skill and you will get into it by luck
[/quote]
You didn't provide anything adequate when i titled you behaviour
obsessive and mentally ill. So, you agree that your community is
not well. I have given plenty of explanations that such mental
sickness in your community makes you all suffer a lot. Your
community titles people without any explanation. This time you
seem to title me something as Coper. Can you convince how do i
cope or suffer? I have given for example argument that when i do
A1-tactics i nthe battle then i don't suffer about it and don't
cope whatever it means and don't feel any stress about the
battle result later. How the A1-example shows that i cope
something? Why i don't have any coping or other emotion that you
believe i have? It is not possible to win any argument if you
try to assume which emotions the opponent has. When i finished
Bronze league with ca 40 battles at the so called Good rate i
didn't feel again any special emotions or luck or anything, but
the community insisted that they know better what emotions i had
and that it must have been luck. I asked them let's repeat then
and provide replays but then they reported my A1-replays and i
completed the experiment again on next Season with the same
data, plus minus something. Somewhow your community is so
convinced what emotions other people have, which meal i ate
yesterday, if i had luck etc. In such cases you can use medical
wrods similar to obsessive thoughts etc. Because obviously i
should know better what i eat, which emotions i have, if i cope
or not, if i have luck or not, etc.
You say that my reasoning is "i don't care if i win i had fun".
I agree 98% with that. There are irrelevant occasions where i do
a so called exam for fun and then i try to do the best and the
goal is to get as less battles as possible to complete a league.
I have 2% of times such goal and usually on the last and first
Season days. But even on those days i don't suffer, it is a so
called positive stress i would say. But in general i agree that
you understand the right way how i take entertainment. As you
see we agree partially in some things. but you seem to either
change your standpoints in time or have contradictive
standpoints as we have proved. But in this your opinion about
mentality i agree 98%.
Then you say that my mentality keeps me Bad. I have already
somewhere debunked your terms Good/Bad and debunked that
Stats=Skills. You had plenty of options to provide
counter-arguments but you accidentally (?) even provided
yourself 3 points that debunk those 2 arguments. So, now you say
that my healthy entertainment attitude keeps me Bad, or in other
words, keeps the WR low. Well, i disagree that positive
mentality works against results. But i partially agree that if
one takes very seriously an entertainment then yes probably he
gets better results and later probably a depression as well. I
agree partially with that idea. In short terms like 1-2 days of
just more deeper concentration and therefore less entertainment
can work but o nthe next days it becomes too stressful and
results worsen even more than in entertaining mode. So,
partially i agree and i can prove your opinion that i have done
in the season start and last day something more seroius
concentration and got obviously leagues completed with your Good
level. For Gold league the level to complete o nthe last day was
WR=70% and for Bronze ca 55%. But i don't think it is wise to do
such way longer than some days only. and i have plenty of times
told what i authentically feel: i don't care at all whcih stats
me or anyone has. I refuse to hunt in entertainment some kind of
stats but few days i like to do "skill"-exams and then that
produces stats like 70% and 55% etc. All that said i partially
agree with your opinion about mentality but i it contains a
debunked term and is connected to racism and sufferings, so i
don't see anything healthy what is in your opinion. I won't hunt
any stats ever. All 40-60% WR players are Good with my capital
G-letter and in my definitions. But i never say anybody with
different stats that they are bad or supergood, or anything. I
say to them as well i nchat that they did nice positioning etc.
This is how civilized people communicate in entertainment. They
don't tell that others are bad ever.
[quote]I have seen many screenshots of you at the bottom
position on the scoreboard and 0 of you occupying the top
position.[/quote]
I repeat that i am TOP 1 every day several times in Gold league.
Is it really so difficult to believe? I have even shared some
pictures but i suggest we debunk your opinion so that i post
every day TOP 1 pictures into the forum. I have written
somewhere a suggestion that replays should not be ego-feeding
and maximum 2-kills are allowed to have if i show battle
results. That kind of reasons an the reason that the community
likes to report educational replays have kept me back in sharing
replays. Also it is predictable in your community that after 1
replay posting they say it is luck, after 5 replays again luck
etc. So, we must agree very clearly our challenge rules before
we agree to do it. I remember yesterdays i killed 4/6 ships from
the enemy team and were TOP1, that was the best battle and i can
search if i can find it. And iremember 3 more battles as TOP 1,
so 4 in total. Why you doubpt in that or want to doubpt?
I won't click on your links, so let's ignore your link. I repeat
that you have failed with ca 3 links before and failed to follow
the forum rules that prohibits links.
And at the end you tell the typical Luck argument. I have
debunked that argument plenty of times. Also you debunk your own
link which is probably 1 battle results. So, you can debunk your
link and say that Luck is the reason there. I have provided more
than enough proofs that i have the ability to perform by your
community Good term. I have even provided Demos, you called the
Demo 1 again a luck, and you couldn't see the Demo 2 but you can
read about it from this forum. Very unlikely that all my demos
are luck etc. That al lsaid debunks the Luck argument very
clearly.
And again, it does not matter how GoOd* anybody is. If it
matters to you and your community and you then enjoy your
racist/toxic community but i and mentally well people cannot
enjoy entertainment such way and don't have any obsessions in
WR. And very naive/insane is to be convinced that me and other
healthy entertainers suffer or have less knowledge or skills.
No, we have all the sills, and beside debating skills and won
all debates against your community. We are adequate but you talk
mostly about your obsessive WR just like now being offtopic i
nthe Brainwash-related topic. And if it were now an official
forum then the result would be that i get banned and you don't.
Very likely, but you would again believe only if i provided a
Pol lresults etc, right? Well, i don't feel any loss because we
havea nice enlightening forum here but i stil lcheck after 1-2
weeks the official forum. Because i find new interview members
from there, and sometimes i collect material/examples from there
for the wikipedia.
#Post#: 515--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 11:10 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=14.msg483#msg483
date=1663880695]
[quote author=wows link=topic=14.msg468#msg468 date=1663845224]
In the beginning of the topic is mentioned food companies and
one popular average food company is Subway and their revenue is
10x bigger than WG's. And that example proves my 1st post ideas.
If you remove expenses from WG's sales then it would still be
some hundreds of millions per year which is big money for you if
we stay on your personal level and context of as you typically
are. But if we compare adequately that number to sandwich
companies as I described then it is not so profitable business
type.
[/quote]
It doesn't matter who is making the bigger profit. The point is
that wargaming is a profitable buisness
[/quote]
So, you admit that you were wrong in a financial term and got
smarter. At least soemthing useful for you and other readers.
Your post is offtopical and mine is not.
You say that someone has good profit in your opinion but it is
irrelevant what you think and what you think is good. Your
example seems to be close to the brainwashed picture that draws
the your Good even as Best. When WG comes out with new products
then you can see more examples how the brainwash spreads when
peopel comment that the company makes huge sales and others
repeat then similar thoughts. Such brainwash tends to grow until
illusion that WG is the richest company in the world. To
enlighten/balance such talks i added comparisions with food
companies. That is enough for that topic and no need for any
personal opinion. One can collect examples later of posts/videos
where people again spread amazing words about sales and profits.
But you add that your personal point still at the end that WG is
profitable company. Well, do you want people to think that it is
opposite of profitable and goes bankrupt soon? In this forum and
topic i don't think that such personal offtopical opinions are
useful.
#Post#: 517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 12:38 pm
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An example of reporting in Wows.
I didn't write anything to the chat and didn't shoot anybody
alive but later shot one dead ship.
You can read the reporting process from the screenshots.
You can go report with my replay, i don't mind.
We use that replay as an educational material later.
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1. First a racist team-mate demoralizes his team and titles one
player as Troll. Often the community says beside titling that
someone is in their colored list.
After such input i turned back and started to follow him. In
chat he proves that by saying that i have already started to
troll. I just do what he requested and how i interpret the
Trolling term.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/U4Cjwgn.png
2. Then he asks others to report me because there is around 3
reports needed etc to put a ban to a person who has bad racial
aspect.
I didn't comment and didn't shoot but just followed his ship.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Ic1ChpG.png
3.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ggwzNVy.png
4. Then he writes into chat a complain that i don't help. Well,
i do exactly what he requested. Why he thinks that Trolls help?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/1tdoAJ1.png
5. He dies and i send torps to his dead body and also bullets
and he asks from the enemy team to report me as well. I usually
compare such typical Wows community asking with islamic ****
ritual where all go **** on the street an innocent person and
shout "all go ****!". But wows community doesn't like such
comparisions and they often report me when i mention the word
**** or Racism.
6. Some random comments and i go next to shoot enemies and make
some hits.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/JeBKoJb.png
7. At the end he justifies him by typical racist argument that i
have 39% WR. I have explained many times that this is a typical
wows community stats-racism where the debate looser tries to win
by saying "shut up you n-egro", or "you know nothing you
moneless rat", or like in wows "you have bad stats".
HTML https://i.imgur.com/5Blp6Wr.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/7KKquZJ.png
--
Replay file:
HTML https://replayswows.com/replay/167520
All chat pictures:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/P0M91r5
#Post#: 518--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: September 23, 2022, 1:44 pm
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In this example we have colelcted an example where a brainwashed
racist community member doesn't use Randoms WR when talking in
Rankeds.
Because 42% is really Rankeds WR and not Randoms.
My most experience is that mostly Randoms WR is used when
tlaking about Rankeds.
So, this is a good rare material for Wikipedia.
But it is also educational in showing typical brainwashed
believes. The person's community has put into his head a belief
that 42% WR players cannot get into Gold League and he is amazed
about it. The reason why he started the racist WR talk at the
end was that he didn't like some of my tactics and in the
community there is a mentality that who has lower racial aspect
(WR) must be wrong in tactics, opinions and everything. So, he
thought that his opinions about my tactics is gold and my
tactics are surely bad because my stats are bad. In classical
race-racism he would have mentioned my skin color at the end
instead of the WR.
--
1. Rank 10, primitive ship type (CR), TOP 1, asks from a Rank 7,
advanced ship type, TOP 2.
Typical brainwashed racist community question: how are you in
Gold league. 42% WR makes no sense.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/iTa7I3C.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/wGdJCQr.png
--
Replay with screenshots:
HTML https://replayswows.com/replay/167528
#Post#: 519--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: support
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 23, 2022, 4:19 pm
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[quote author=wows link=topic=69.msg498#msg498 date=1663907826]
Your opinion is proofless and wrong and inadequate.
[/quote]
You are litterally arguing that the dictionary is wrong. The
actual reference for english language, you are saying it's
wrong. Do you realise how much of a clown you make of yourself
right now? You are arguing that the thing that cannot be wrong
is wrong
That's an impressive level of coping
PS : cope about PS being inadequate, it's a great way to give
complimentary information and to add something for a totally
different subject
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