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#Post#: 432--------------------------------------------------
Re: interview 5
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 21, 2022, 10:44 am
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What is the goal of WOWS? the answer will be vastly different
from player to player but they all have one thing in common :
they play ships to unlock other ships, either by grinding their
way up a tech tree, reseting the progression of a line to gain
research bureau points, or obtain specific T10 ships to get
dubloon in ranked and buy premium ships.
Therefor a common goal of all wows players is to obtain a lot
ships.
This is important to determine what is a good player. Let's take
the exemple of grinding a tech tree ship, a match has 3 issues
possible :
[list]
[li]Win : the team winning is awarded a 50% increased base XP
bonus compared to the enemy team[/li]
[li]Loss : the team isn't awarded a bonus[/li]
[li]Draw : neither team are awarded a bonus[/li]
[/list]
In order to get the next ship faster, it is better to win to get
a 50% bonus to base XP, and this is why win rate is important
for the wows community, I would rather play with people with a
high win rate because they have more chance of winning than
people with a low win rate.
It is also important to do damage, as the more damage one deal,
the more base xp they will be awarded. Killing a target award
someone with XP equivalent to having dealt 30% of their HP, it
is also beneficial to get kills
At the end of a battle, people are ranked in their team by the
amount of XP earned, the game rewards getting damage, kills and
winning, therefor having higher stats and so the wows community
want to have better stats. It was then decided that a player
with higher stats is better than a player with lower stats and
as a reward, the better player gets ships faster. This hyper
focus on stats is not by the community, but a result of the game
system itself
The wows community wants to have better XP to earn ships faster
which mechanically give them better stats, which leads to stats
mattering
#Post#: 433--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: racism
By: wows Date: September 21, 2022, 10:54 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=51.msg399#msg399
date=1663715048]
higschool grades, university stats, income and your wows stats
are not biological difference between peoples, therefor it isn't
racism
[/quote]
The word "racism" is often interchanged with "prejudice",
however unlike prejudice, racism is more organised and
persistent. In Wows stats-obsession is controlled and organized
many ways by a larger group. It is not only a "prejudice" but
something more. Which term would you suggest? I haven't found a
better word because the word "prejudice" is obviously not enough
and the actions of wows community are exactly the same like in
race-racism. If something has the same behaviour like racism
then it is reasonable to call it as racism. In media people
often call things with illustrative terms if they don't have a
better term or if the situation is really bad and needs a more
colorful term to pull attention. Obviously stats-obsession and
discrimination are so common in Wows that it is wise to call it
either as racism or faschism. Wows community seems to also
repeat often their belief that high stats players have
biologically higher IQ.
Media and me use all terms freely and we don't see anything
wrong in irrelevant word-choice. The stats-racism is a problem
and not the name of the problem. I believe it is called a
"literary method" if some calls things with not the exact
legal/right term. Maybe i can later provide better examples. So,
one can call as he wants, and it is irrelevant how one calls.
Just admit that you are racist if you look your posts here, and
your community posts. Or do you want some nicer name for it?
Like, you are not stat-racist but stats-prejudician?
#Post#: 434--------------------------------------------------
Re: interview 5
By: wows Date: September 21, 2022, 11:01 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=73.msg432#msg432
date=1663775070]
The wows community wants to have better XP to earn ships faster
which mechanically give them better stats, which leads to stats
mattering
[/quote]
You constructed a logical theory from one conclucion to another
and ended up with something that is far fro mreality. In such
cases there was a mistake in some middle steps.
Obviously Wows community doesn't care about the credits/XP/loot
they receive. Simple proof is to visualize a typical wows player
when they play. There won't be any picture of a player having
credits etc in his mind and calling racial slogans if they
believe they won't get enough credits.
Can we end the stats debate by agreeing that stats don't matter
as we did? Provide shorter arguments why they should matter, or
agree that they don't and we end the debate and we ca ndo only 1
additional more. I have provided plenty of arguments why stats
don't matter and why stats-racism is bad, i don't want to copy
those here. I have debunked all known your/community arguments
earlier somewhere.
#Post#: 435--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: wows Date: September 21, 2022, 11:15 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=56.msg403#msg403
date=1663716313]
You can ask for a reason here :
HTML https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/help/29948/29963/29965/
[/quote]
It does not matter what humans can do. Many fraud are build on
the tactics that people are not going to take a lawyer. They
stel your money and say like you: you can report and take a
lawayer. Most people don't obviously take lawyers and don't have
time and money for that, and don't search links you provided
etc. There is no point to say that those people are fools or
something. no they are not, they are just mature.
Now let's come back to the fact. The fact is that msot peopel
don't know why they were reported and i provided plenty of
explanationis for that. The upper screenshot does not say which
part of the text was inappropriate. So, it does not say what was
inappropriate. The same with other "explanations" in game and i
nthe official forum. In the official forum one person proved al
lthat i said here by saying that he doesn't know the reason. It
does not matter if got to know the reason later weeks or not by
the help of links and forums and lawayers, what matters is that
many peopel don't know what they did wrong. So, that fact means
that people get punished so that they don't know why. and if one
really wants to justify reporting system, then it is obviously
an inadequate soup, no need to defend it. You seem to say that
financial loss is deserved. no, it is not, many lawas are
against it. World is full of brainwashed believes. The West
beleives for example that russian millioners deserve to lose
money because of the war- a similar example to your western
opinion.
#Post#: 436--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: wows Date: September 21, 2022, 11:47 am
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[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=56.msg402#msg402
date=1663715965]
[quote]An example of reporting that causes financial loss and
suicides:[/quote]
Unless you have proof that this user indeed suicided, you are
making baseless argument. You need proof
[/quote]
Seems like you are asking for a proof that people suicide in the
world and get financial loss. Life shows that people suicide
often, also often because internet chats and things. There is no
need to ask a proof for such potential things.
My sentence above doesn't say that the suicide happened above.
It says that reporting happened and such inadequate reporting
system and other internet things cause suicides as all know.
There are no proof needed.
The
#Post#: 442--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: stats
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 21, 2022, 4:52 pm
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[quote author=wows link=topic=70.msg425#msg425 date=1663768350]
[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=70.msg421#msg421
date=1663765191]
[quote author=wows link=topic=70.msg419#msg419 date=1663762365]
The question was: Can you explain how one do actively choose to
stay bad at the game?
[/quote]
[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=70.msg417#msg417
date=1663762108]
By believing to be good and dismissing anyone prooving you wrong
by calling them racist, you are refusing to learn from better
player and actively choosing to stay bad
[/quote]
[/quote]
So, the question was generally how a player can chose if to
become good or bad.
And your answer is that faith/believes determines how good one
is. Right? Do you really think that faith in different
religions, different food, different other things, determine how
good one can become in a specific area? Let's take a university
student who is an averade christian in his faith and in many
classes religion topic is involved and he gets average results
compared to 2 other christians who one gets the best results and
the 2nd the worst results and they were both very dedicated
believers. Doesn't that example show that it does not matter
what people believe and success doesn't care what people
believe? Very surely such students example occures i nreal life
and you can invent other similar examples. Some sportsmen are
top athletes but use methods/tactics that others don't think are
good ones. So, in general your answer is not right that faith
determines anything. You can surely find among Wows players
people with similar believes but very different stats. Next,
let's look into more specific which beleives you are talking
about.
You say "By believing to be good ... you are refusing to learn".
That part of your opinion talks about s specific faith, a belief
about one's skills. If you try to say that people with high
self-esteem don't succeed in life then the practical picture is
opposite in life. And in entertainment games it is also so that
more positive self-esteem is good and doesn't make any problem
to entertain, practice and learn. Stressed low-esteem situations
people get panic attacks and can't concentrate. So, it is
totally fine to believe that one is good in entertainment and
that doesn't halt practice and doesn't stop those people to read
knowledge from forums etc. Part of the community life is to
visit forums and no matter if one wants or not he reads
automatically knowledge from there, no matter how high/low
self-esteem/stats he has. Specially in the official Wows forum
there looks like only one allowed truth is out there and wrong
knowledge is silenced quickly- so there is no possibility that
the community doesn't get the information that you call
knowledge. And if you think that some people who read the
allowed truth/knowledge from the forum dare to not to believe in
it? Obviously the community doesn't have different opinions but
only allowed ones and everyoen are afraid to think about other
alternatives. If Wows community had peopel who dare to believe
that the allowed truth/knowledge is wrong then those people
would show themselves up more often i nthe forum. But you almost
never see them i nthe foru mand i nthe battles all act the same
way, so why do you think that people don't believe in the
allowed truth? In Rankeds i see all the time same brainwashed
attitudes, tactics and opinions, very rarely something else. And
all those people have different stats, but the same believes.
Gold members are 40% - 60 % Randoms WR but all do the same
tactics like DD splitting et that are suitable for Randoms and
not Rankeds, all talk like one same community. Different stats
but the same faith because say belong all to the one Wows
community that puts the same faith into everyone. And obviously
many of them have higher self-esteem, many lower and among al
lthose the stats again vary.
We have described elsewhere that there are nothing to much to
learn because entertainment games are primitive. We have proved
that it takes a weak to learn pub billiards and computer Wows
knowledge and mainly latetr one containes about aiming. The
practice later improves the learned aimiming concept, after 2
years one can aim better no matter if he visited forums or not.
Practice is the main teacher and the amount of knowledge is very
small, 5-6 items like in billiards, football. So, there is no
point to lsiten smarter ones and if you open the official forum
or youtube channels then there are almost no teachings. So, you
learn anyway with practice and there are nothing to learn but to
practice and no smarter ones because not much knowledge and no
tutorials. People believe vary everywhere in the life and that
doesn't determine success. Usually in life things are opposite
than you said, things are so that if you believe you are good
you become good. In some spiritual texts they give some
spiritual proof as well for that. so, things are opposite than
you said and the proof was just what i provided.
You say that some peopel refuse to learn. There really are no
such. The proof is such that the community is so obsessed with
stats that they all want to do anything to get good stats and
they all act the same way liek the whole community. No
refusings.
You say "By believing to be good ... you are refusing to learn"-
can you provide examples for that opinion. All the arguments i
provided debunks such opinion and in the real life and Wows
things are opposite than you said.
You say such many-conditioned claim:
"By believing to be good and dismissing anyone prooving you
wrong by calling them racist, you are refusing to learn from
better player and actively choosing to stay bad"
Can you provide many such example accounts that follow your
multi-conditioned rule? They must have a posting history where
they call other racist etc. There are not much such examples so
your whole response doesn't answer to the question. "Can you
explain how one do actively choose to stay bad at the game? ".
The question is that how players chose to become good or bad and
your response contains such a complex multi-conditioned rule
that has no logics inside and filters out maybe 1 person only
but the question was about general player and asking how he
choses his success. Your reply said that one must call others
racist and that is an active choise for general players. No, all
the explanations given above, and thinking logically, it does
not matter what one posts anywhere. If you want to talk about
real reasons why some people are more successful in
entertainment or in life then things are opposite than you said.
You mention a term "active chosing". I think you agree that the
word active not needed. If you really want the word Active to
stay then that would mean choosing very implicit/clear, like
choosing on the table between apples and oranges. That is a very
active picking. In your example active would mean that someone
really starts to position always on all maps like described in a
forum which says that such positioning guarantees the best
results and one reads it and does it and then this is really
active choise of positioning advice. But your sentence doesn't
have anything so concrete, you mention faiths and postings etc.
So, the word Active is not needed at all.
Your sentence describes your belief about my knowledge and the
reason why it is such. There is no need to talk about personal
level. Secondly, your multiconitioned opinion was wrong as i
described. Multi-conditioned rules are often error-frindly and
doesn't cover the majority. In the Knowledge topic we talk
separately about knowledge but here i mention again that you are
wrong in that.
There is no "active" or "non-active" choice in humans mind. They
all have already an obsessed belief that stats matter and they
all act the same way in battles and talk the same mentality.
There are no doubts i ntheir mind and they all have different
self-esteem and different stats. They all talk in the forum what
you consider as the right truth, because the forum silence
imemdiately all who are not brainwashed. Every part of your
claim was wrong. Can you provide any proof to your claim.
Because your whole post was on the personal level in the
beginning which is offtopic and inadequate method so i moved
eyes quickly over and thought that the last sentence is also
ignoring the main question and talks about someone particular.
and i nthat case tht is not an answer, but jsut a response on
the personal level. Maybe it was because all conditiones that
you provided in your last statement filters our very few
exemplars but we talk here about thousands people as we should
in the forum. Here you have following options:
1) prove that your response covered everyone and not me. this
topic is not aobut me or you.
2) or provided counter-arguments to my given ones.
if you fail in either 2 points then this proves that you didn't
provide an adequate answer.
[/quote]
no, that's not what i said. Therefor this whole post is 100%
irrelevant
Let me try again :
[list type=decimal]
[li]You think you are a good player[/li]
[li]Someone says you aren't and as proof they show you your
stats[/li]
[li]You call them racist or label their argument as being
inadequate[/li]
[li]You persist in being bad by not listening to better
players[/li]
[/list]
See ? Simple. It has nothing to do with faith. You want an
exemple of this? look in a mirror you are the perfect exemple of
this.
#Post#: 443--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 21, 2022, 4:58 pm
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[quote author=wows link=topic=56.msg435#msg435 date=1663776937]
[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=56.msg403#msg403
date=1663716313]
You can ask for a reason here :
HTML https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/help/29948/29963/29965/
[/quote]
It does not matter what humans can do. Many fraud are build on
the tactics that people are not going to take a lawyer. They
stel your money and say like you: you can report and take a
lawayer. Most people don't obviously take lawyers and don't have
time and money for that, and don't search links you provided
etc. There is no point to say that those people are fools or
something. no they are not, they are just mature.
Now let's come back to the fact. The fact is that msot peopel
don't know why they were reported and i provided plenty of
explanationis for that. The upper screenshot does not say which
part of the text was inappropriate. So, it does not say what was
inappropriate. The same with other "explanations" in game and i
nthe official forum. In the official forum one person proved al
lthat i said here by saying that he doesn't know the reason. It
does not matter if got to know the reason later weeks or not by
the help of links and forums and lawayers, what matters is that
many peopel don't know what they did wrong. So, that fact means
that people get punished so that they don't know why. and if one
really wants to justify reporting system, then it is obviously
an inadequate soup, no need to defend it. You seem to say that
financial loss is deserved. no, it is not, many lawas are
against it. World is full of brainwashed believes. The West
beleives for example that russian millioners deserve to lose
money because of the war- a similar example to your western
opinion.
[/quote]
If you refuse to use the means that YOU CAN USE (unlike a
lawyer, it doesn't take money and time to write to WG's
support), that's your problem. Don't say you can't know why
you've been chat banned if you refuse to ask
#Post#: 444--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: reporting
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 21, 2022, 5:04 pm
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[quote author=wows link=topic=56.msg436#msg436 date=1663778843]
[quote author=SpeedrunBanAny% link=topic=56.msg402#msg402
date=1663715965]
[quote]An example of reporting that causes financial loss and
suicides:[/quote]
Unless you have proof that this user indeed suicided, you are
making baseless argument. You need proof
[/quote]
Seems like you are asking for a proof that people suicide in the
world and get financial loss. Life shows that people suicide
often, also often because internet chats and things. There is no
need to ask a proof for such potential things.
My sentence above doesn't say that the suicide happened above.
It says that reporting happened and such inadequate reporting
system and other internet things cause suicides as all know.
There are no proof needed.
The
[/quote]
Do you realise the irony of you claiming you don't need to
provide any proof but asking everyone to proved some?
Anyway, you cannot claim it is an exemple of financial loss that
leads to a suicide if you cannot prove a suicide happen, that's
the burden of proof. At best you can claim it is an exemple of
financial loss and then said that financial loss may be a cause
of suicide
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)#:~:text=The%20term%20%22burden%20of%20proof%22%20is%20a%20party%27s,of%20proof%20such%20as%20preponderance%20of%20the%20evidence%29.
Oh and btw that's totally deserved according to wargaming
themself :
HTML https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/article/15126/
i'd like to post a picture but you said it wasn't necessary.
proof is there if you just click on the link and read.
[quote]No Premium Account compensation will be issued if:
The account was banned based on the player's ticket about the
inability to access the account.
The account was banned for breaching the World of Tanks Blitz
Game Rules.[/quote]
#Post#: 445--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: racism
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 21, 2022, 5:09 pm
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[quote author=wows link=topic=51.msg348#msg348 date=1662554312]
From Wikipedia Racism is:
[quote]
Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different
behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can
be divided based on the superiority of one race over
another.[1][2][3] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or
antagonism directed against other people because they are of a
different race or ethnicity.[2] Modern variants of racism are
often based in social perceptions of biological differences
between peoples.
[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
[/quote]
Do you agree that stats are not a biological trait yes or no ?
the answer is "yes, stats aren't a biological trait"
Then do you agree that judging based on stats does not enter the
wikipedia definition of racism yes or no ?
Then do you agree that you whole definition for calling people
racist when they show you your stats is unfunded yes or no ?
This "Wiki page for defining the term racism" is just you trying
to justify calling people racist when they aren't
People are dying due to prejudice caused by actual racism and
you would compare yourself to them? All of that so you have an
excuse to not listen to them. This is disgusting behaviour from
you
#Post#: 446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Term: support
By: SpeedrunBanAny% Date: September 21, 2022, 5:12 pm
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link : Dictionary definition of "support"
You :[quote author=wows link=topic=69.msg430#msg430
date=1663773588]
you link is inadequate because it does not explain what the
support means.
[/quote]
It is the litteral definition of the word "support" as written
in the dictionary of the english language. Denying the adequacy
of the link is delusional.
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