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Re: general chat
By: Chaplain1 Date: November 15, 2024, 3:03 pm
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Here is one idea for DD Pamba competitive setups, 21 skill point
setup idea:
HTML https://imgur.com/0nPaxCG
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Re: general chat
By: Hanuman Date: November 16, 2024, 3:37 am
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DD Pamba facts:
1. the ship's apparent selling point is many torps, but that is
not the reality. Because by default you get 2 Torpedo Reloads,
that means you can press it 2 times per game and not infinitely,
pluss it reload like 4 minutes. So, most time of the battle you
play with 15 torps like Shima. That fact can be difficult to
see. You can increase the Reload button quantity to 3 with a
3-point skill, but still 3 like the 2 disappears quickly. There
is an F button that makes the Torpedo Reload button to go from 4
mniutes to 30 seconds or so, so you can waste 2-3 torpedo
Reloads very quickly in few minutes and the rest of the battle
you play with 15 torps.
2. The 2nd important thing is that F-button doesn't only provide
quick Torpedo Reload button, but also quick Smoke and Heatlh
buttons. So, you can make a double smoke and do 2 times long
smoke basically. That is not talked about so much beside
TorpReload, but double health can be good quick recovery.
3. Shimas torps load quicker, and swim quicker, and have longer
range. That is actually quite strong difference because both
those ships main feature is torps. So, Shima is obviously
torpedo king still in the game. You can say that Jager is number
2, maybe top 3 is Pamba, then Halland.
4. The ship speed is actually not so bad if you make the
competitive captain setup as i showed above. Compared to Shimas
ca 43km/h it is obviously slow, but not so slow with speed
oriented setup.
5. The game doesn't sell premium captains yet, you can get one
only from Colelctions but the Collection Crates are not sold
anymore, so you jsut can't get a premium captain right now. That
captain is a must of course.
6. The whole gambling bundle is like all of them typically, like
for ARP Yamato etc, they cost near 160 money. For that money one
can get instead usually 3 ships, so it is expensive. But that
high price includes some unvisible additional goods, like 1
month Mission where every Pamba battle gives you very good +200%
booster, every single battle. Those bosoters help to grind
things very well and are not easy to get, and you can say that
such 1 month long mission has actually high value, those
boosters are valueable. So such hidden add-ons are in the
bundle, and few others. Which makes the 3x high price little
more lower in a way. For such Pamba money you can buy obviously
an account with 5 x T10 ships plus few premiums, so consider the
price. But if you are financially fine, then doesn't matter
really, and i have bought premium ships during 5 years around 6
times in total, because i usually buy accounts, not ships, but
sometimes you buy ships as well if too lazy to deal with the
account buying thing. Beside bosoters you get a T7 premium ship
if that matters anything to you.
7. Torpedo tube angles are fine and tubes move well, note that
Shimas legendary tubes are worst in the game. The missing rare
guns are a quite irrelevant issue. Front guns with 4 bulelts
make fires still finely.
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So, it performs pretty finely, but Shima obviously performs
better. Because Shima has very high speed, and faster stronger
torps, and betetr concealment. In competitive mode such 3 better
things make a ship better than the other ship.
So, if you want to compete then use Shima, if you want to
entertain, then use both or the Pamba only.
Pamba's competitive tactics i explain later. I haven't tested it
yet in Rankeds because i don't have the captain ready yet. But
already now you can say that the idea is that your tactics is to
try to put to the battle beginning quickly very big input, your
F key will help to do it. Other ships cannot put so much input
in first mniutes because they don't have torpedo reloaders and F
key. That is the edge you have and the tactics you should use.
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Re: general chat
By: Chaplain1 Date: November 16, 2024, 1:24 pm
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From the minimum ship speed 34km/h you can add a speed flag and
get 35.7km speed.
And when you make speed oriented captain setup you get even more
speed.
But those Sierra flags cost 2.4m credit for 20 pieces, that
makes 1 battle 1 flag cost ca 120k credits?
[code]
Sierra Mike
+5% to the ship's maximum speed.
[/code]
HTML https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:List_of_Combat_Signals
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Re: general chat
By: ency Date: November 16, 2024, 4:02 pm
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Example of 30 torps entertainment with Pamba.
Note that Shima has slightly stronger torps so could manage the
same job with 15 torps only.
0.
HTML https://imgur.com/oVgWlWB
1.
HTML https://imgur.com/BJJdYs7
2.
HTML https://imgur.com/rL6dmpP
3.
HTML https://imgur.com/jN5hJpN
HTML https://imgur.com/GEfr9hR
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Re: general chat
By: Hanuman Date: November 16, 2024, 6:11 pm
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I entertained whole day with DD Pamba, mainly in Brawls, all
battles had maximum boosters, and now they are all consumed and
gone, i achieved to make the captain from 10 points to 20
points, but it will take time until i get it to 21 points. So,
your product is not only 1 ship but also lot of other things,
like boosters, and 1 month special Mission that produces more
boosters in every battle.
The product info misleads in a way. It makes an impression that
the ship has many-many torps. That is not so true, it has by
default only 2 torpedo reloader buttons, so you have only 2
times in your battle such 30 torps possibility, not the entire
battle. The Consumable Booster button makes those 2 times ready
in the very beginning of the battle. After entertaining 2 times
you become liek typical Shima with only 15 torps. You can
increase the 2 times to 3 if you make a captain setup properly.
So, it has many torps only 2 moments in the battle, or 3
moments.
The Consumable Booster button could be advertised more in my
opinion, because it can enable some unique new tactics and
things. The ship has 2 consumables, the heal and the smoke, and
that special button enables you to have make 2 smokes, and heal
2 times after a tiny interval. That could be advertised more in
my opinion. The Heal is like +3k HP only, in my opinion useless,
but 2 smokes looks interesting, and 2 times torping as the main
feature is interesting of course. For example you can plan to
attack 2 BBs who are behind a rock. You swim there as a suprice,
send first 15 torps to 1 BB and another 15 into another BB. I
managed to do it 1 time, i was myself waiting behind a rock and
2 enemy ships came to visit, and i torped them both fatally. So,
such ability to have 2 consumables usages almsot in a row, is
quite interesting.
The 10.5km torps are clearly shorter than Shima's 12km, and
Shima users obviosuly feel it imemdiately, you jsut can't torp
cruisers etc often. But this is not so big deal.
The speed is fine with the Speed flag, and if you make
additionally speed-oriented setup later then you get even very
okay speed.
The guns seems to outgun the Shima, jsut 2 times faster reload.
Shima is the best Subs hunter among DDs with 16+16 water bombs,
but it is an irrelevant feature, and the Dd Pamba and other Dds
have just 6+6 bombs or so. But it is an irrelevant feature, so
it doesn't matter at all.
Concealment is good, fine.
Torpedo visibility range is good, betetr than Shimas, but in my
opinion that is irrelevant again.
If you are fine with 34 or 35.7 speed then you can do
torpedo-speed setup and get 73km/h speed which is totally good.
I will go for extreme speed-oriented setup with it, at least i
want to test such setup. but who wants more typical setup, then
it is not so slow ship at all, and does fine.
Because i have done Shima battles so much on all my acocunts,
then for me the ship feels obviously fine. Little bit different
playstyle, but not so much different. And it adds some nice new
features, very nice is to choose 2 targets at a time, and you go
give to both 15 torps in, that is something Shima players can't
do.
In Rankeds you can complete Golds with it as well, but Shima
does that goal little bit better. For Randoms it does little bit
betetr than Shima, because it has little bit better guns.
A good "premium Shima", but nothing so special. There are surely
much more competitive ships, like Jager, Z42, Smaland, etc etc.
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Re: general chat
By: ency Date: November 17, 2024, 5:53 am
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1. Ship's speed 35.7 with the 120k credits flag. That speed is
totally fine, and if you make later a speed-oriented captain
setup you get even more speed.
HTML https://imgur.com/eKBi5J7
2. One month every battle gives +200% XP points. That enables to
get 10 point captain very quickly to 21 points. But sad that
there is no way to get a premium captain.
HTML https://imgur.com/QY3Nc7q
HTML https://imgur.com/PaAEckI
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Re: general chat
By: Chaplain1 Date: November 17, 2024, 12:37 pm
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I made my 20 skills captain setup into competitive mode.
It gets 38.7km/h speed with the 120k credits speed flag, which
is very good, without the flag it is 36.7km/h.
And in the future i put 1 last 1 skill point to randomly to any
1-point skill.
So ,as you see the ship is not slow actually.
Such setup keep torps at 73km/h whish is very fine.
HTML https://imgur.com/WvpgBFK
HTML https://imgur.com/wRx0Lbl
HTML https://imgur.com/XrvkEKQ
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Re: general chat
By: Hanuman Date: November 18, 2024, 4:08 am
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I got to DD Pampa competitive setup and got enough practice with
it and now i prefer it more than Shima. I can't torp radar
cruisers with it and can't do center map rushing fastly but
everything else is the same as with Shima plus 3 torpedo
reloads. The ship is not slow with proper setup.
I did captain grinding mainly in Brawls because those battles
are short. You torp from 3km range there and almost always
succeed, and fail only when enemy has radars.
The ship is good for Shima players. I don't think others like
it.
Rankeds has still skillful players in, from even TWA clan.
Randoms is still at Bronze level where aiming skill and focus
fire is missing.
Without the 1 months +200% XP mission and blue boosters it would
have taken ages to grind the captain for DD Pampa. The community
doesn't understand how to make a captain setup for it, and
believes it is slow and expensive. That is a wrong belief. They
all have bought at least 4 premium ships, and don't seem to even
use them, and those cost the same like the new ship. If you have
done tens of thousands battles with Shima like me then such ship
is an obvious purchase and provides lot of entertainment.
It took time to learn the Consumables Booster button. You must
use it so that you don't waste things. For example if your Heal
is On, then you wait until it is done before you use the Booster
button to make it ready again.
3 times per battle you have 30 torps, and not later anymore.
Sometimes you fail all 30 torps, happens. Like with Shima it is
difficult if enemies have DDs in front of Primitive ships, you
can't do anything then, but that's why you search locations
where Primitives are without DDs.
It is entertaining to have 30 torps few times. You can often
have 2 targets in your plan, both get 3 torps or so.
A good ship. I think it is as good as Shima for me, few
weaknesses, like shorter torp range and average speed, but few
plusses like 30 torps 3 times in fast time duration.
I can say top listing so:
0. Yamagiri
1. Shima, Pamba
2. Halland
3. Asashio
4. All T6-T9 Shima and Haru lines ships.
5. Black
6. Cossack
If i get one day Jager and Z42 as Top 3-4 preference then i
don't think i would like any other ships. Yamagiri is the best
of all but expensive to play. From those Top 6 all are
competitive, good to complete Rankeds Golds, except Asashio
which is for Randoms entertainment only.
Of course i would like to add 1 T10 Sub to my collection, it
should arrive for free in few weeks. Of course i would like to
have a premium captain for Pampa, but it is not offered and not
relevant much. Of course i use T9 Vallejo as Top 1 choice for
Operations. And of course i have few Primitive ships which i can
use sometimes for Missions etc. But i am a DD player mostly. So,
i don't use much anything else, just those Top 6 above.
Some think that new ships like Hilderbrand, Pampa, Napoli etc
are OP, i don't generally think so, in a way they are good but
not immortal.
I was fine with Shima-Haru line for many years, and will
continue to be, but after you make tens of thousands battles
with them and get Diamond league often, you may get bored for a
while of them, so you add few premium DDs and those must be
unique somehow. You don't buy for example premium T9 Z44 which
has nothing unique. Plenty of pointless non unique DDs, i
remember now Hayate and others. I apoear to have some too unique
ships like DD Halford, that one is unique but inefficent, so i
don't use it.
Tromp and Black are unique and fine, and Cossack is not unique
but very efficent for Rankeds, so i have it and maybe use in
some Rankeds sometimes.
The community is still generally the same unchanged. For example
in Devstrike forum they bring up still Stats religion sooner or
later in all conversations, and believe in debunked believes.
That's entertaining for me.
This forum here doesn't have anymore any active debators but the
visitor quantity went up thanks to Devstrike forum enlightening
weeks. So, it is good to have more visitors, more light for the
community.
I have actually few new competition ideas. Let's see about
those. Right now i surely continue to entertain with the
newship. And probably in more competitive mood, because i feel
confident with it now. It took few days to figure out how to
make the ship fast, which tactics to use.
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Re: general chat
By: ency Date: November 18, 2024, 2:29 pm
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In Randoms you see rarely Gold members or Blue players, and also
rare to see their platoon.
This time it was a Shima+Svea+Libertad platoon on my cap area.
As you see all new ships in the platoon combo except the DD,
which is Shima, it is a comeptitive good scout, even in Clan
battles it is often preferred.
As you see their platoon didn't win. Some suggest that more
extreme platoons can be efficent, like 3 DDs etc.
HTML https://imgur.com/xWywd2L
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Re: general chat
By: ency Date: November 18, 2024, 2:54 pm
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One more rare Randoms.
A team had 2 platoons and both from the same clan.
HTML https://imgur.com/0HOSf9n
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