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carry illusion in Rankeds
By: Moderator1 Date: March 27, 2023, 1:55 pm
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Wows commnuity believes that one can get Ranked Gold League Rank
1 by the carry argument which means he either yolo every battle
or does something else to die quickly and the team stil lwins
until he gets Rank 1.
The commnuity is not capable to prove such belief.
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Re: carry illusion in Rankeds
By: Hanuman Date: April 9, 2023, 2:44 pm
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Example:
[quote]
Depending on how deep the season is in, all the "good" players
are already in gold, while all the "bad" players or late-comers
are in bronze. Sadly said "bad" players can just spam enough
games and eventually get carried through enough wins in a row,
so that they progress without effort or improvement
[/quote]
HTML https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/169116-ranked-battle-mm-according-to-players-skills/?tab=comments#comment-4374169
Typical community debunked opinions in the above text and in the
referenced topic.
First, the famoues debunked belief that someone gets carried in
Rankeds. I have debunked it with real life data which shows that
i do 5000 battles in gold league without getting carried to Rank
1. Why to ignore such debunking counter example and other
arguments and continue to believe the debunked carry belief?
A brainwashed blind believer has been offered clear data that
debunks his belief, additionally money has been offered, but he
refuces data, money and debate to defend his blind debunked
believes. How would you call a community that has such behaviour
and believes?
Another example would be that there is a belief that everyone
gets promoted to project manager or other such role in their
work carrier and only years are needed for that to happen. Such
belief is similar to the Wows community Rankeds belief. Years
carry, many battles carry. Does it really happens that everyone
gets Carried to supervisors and company owners etc sooner or
later? No, it doesn't happen just like the data shows it doesn't
happen in Wows Rankeds either. Why to belive in such illusion
then? Why is it so difficult to prove that belief ir any
community debunked believes? Even money is offered after a
successful proofing.
Probably it is possible to construct sport examples where you
put Bad players into Good teams and see that such teams won't
win so often anymore etc. Or, you watch how low league
footballers proceed to higher leagues by carrying. If you can
construct such examples then those exaples debunk your carry
belief.
Just show like i did that play 5000 rankeds battles in Gold
league so that it could be called as Carried and show it ends
with Rank 1. Just like i have provided screenshots of such 5000
battles and no picture of carrying.
The above link shows also other famous belives. It shows, that
there is a belief that RandomsTeamsWR=Skills, which we have
debunked plenty of times. Also the text above uses racist words
Good/Bad based on TeamsWR. And the text above contradicts the
community belives itself because it says that Good players get
quickly into Gold league but Bad ones stay in Bronze. I as a Bad
player am always quickly in Gold league in Sprint 1- how is that
possible then if the community titles me as Bad? How can Bad act
like Good?
And other debunked gems in the example link.
#Post#: 1715--------------------------------------------------
Re: carry illusion in Rankeds
By: Chaplain1 Date: April 6, 2024, 1:31 pm
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The spam/luck/carry believes have been popular past 4 years,
even today somebody mentioned it in the gamechat.
Let's repeat one of the counter arguments: i have spammed plenty
of battles in plenty of Rankeds seasons but only 1 time
completed the Gold league. If now spamming belief is true then i
should have got G R1 in all plenty of seasons. And the luck
argument contradicts spamming belief because why the luck
doesn't apepar after very few battles? I have done many times
Bronze R1 challenge and always had high results on that day with
it, why the luck wasn't negative then and why the results differ
from my overall stats then? All such arguments debunk the naive
belief in spamming etc. Take the Bronze challenge and compare
with my results, or agree to do Gold challenge and see that
there is no luck etc.
#Post#: 1975--------------------------------------------------
Re: carry illusion in Rankeds
By: Hanuman Date: September 28, 2024, 10:43 am
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Carry illusion is still popular.
First the debator came to chat saying that RankedsTeamsWR=50%
makes me bad and wrong.
After that he tried to explain that you get carried to Sprint 1
Gold Rank 1 if you have at least 50.1% TeamsWR.
I replied that i have done even thousands of battles in Gold
league and not get carried.
About TeamsWRSoup, i have shown it as 70% when i wish, and other
days 40%, in average around 50%, so i can finish leagues on
those 70% days and the overall 50% has nothing to say about it,
it is not a carry at 70%.
Also, the math is not so naive that 50.1% gets carried. You can
have Loss-loss-win at 33% rate with 3 battles and you get a
star, plus start saving makes it more ocmplicated, you don't
need 70% WR to get a star, also 30% does it liek the example
shows. Hence, the TeamsWR has nothing much to say about ranks,
and carry illusion is totally wrong.
also look at my last 5 days stats and compare with the Overall
RankedsWR.
I have some days Super Unicum results some dayes 40%, and al
lthose differ fro mthe overall average 50%. Do you ocmprehend
that the 50% overall has nothing truthful to say therefore? All
those percentages soup tel lnothing. You believe in TeamsWR,
well, do you agree then that during a day of TeamsWR=70% i can
complete a league, and the overall percentage rating has nothing
to do with anything, it can be even 20%. Can you comprehend
that?
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