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Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: May 17, 2022, 4:43 am
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I think it is wise if we list and answer here all typical false
opinions.
For example all believe in stats and it is easy to show that
stats has nothing to do with your opinions in the Wows and other
areas. Obviously people deny the proof. People believe in OP
ships and so on. Let's list all those here and debunk.
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: Troll123 Date: May 23, 2022, 11:53 am
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You're pathetic xD
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: June 16, 2022, 1:21 pm
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A famous belief is that stats matter.
Terms:
1. The term "Stats". That word means mainly a mathematical
average over several years and is displayed either in the game
by a Mod or people look the relevant websites that show such
mathematical averages. If a person played 10 years several
different ship types in several different game modes then he has
an average win rate over those years. Let's say the win rate WR
is 44%. Then the term Stats means the number 44. Very rarely
people look at the last year or last week averages and mostly
they mean the overall average of all times one has played the
game. Let's assume that one makes 1 battle with a BB and wins
and then 1 battle with a DD and loses and then one battle with a
CV and loses then the stats are 33% because there was 3 games
and 1 victory. That is the meaning of stats. Another synonym is
"rating", or WR, PR.
2. The term "good player".
Stats example for a player:
HTML https://wows-numbers.com/player/503598166,Fastmotion/
There you see phrases like "Super Unicum" if some statistics are
close to 100%, also "Bad", "Good", "Below Average", etc.
Phrases "Good" and "Very good" correspond to statistics which is
little bit higher than most players have. For example average
win rate of 55% means a good win rate because less than half
players have it. People use the term "good player" when the
Stats/WR is Good or Very Good on that Stats web sites. For
example if overall general WR=52 or 57 then it is popular to
title that such player is a good player.
3. The terms Knowledge, Skills. People believe that good stats
mean high gaming skills and lot of gaming knowledge and also
higher general knowledge. For example, if WR=65 and that person
says that "Helicopters are not good on that map" then others
believe him because of his high stats and who disagrees is
suggested to change his mind. But also more general opinons like
"WG doesn't care about players" etc is taken as truth if the
sayer has high stats. The game itself doesn't have much
knowledge/skills and there are just 3-4 things to know. But
people believe there are some kind of huge listing of
formulas/skills. That is what is meant by the skills term.
Believes:
People suffer and to lower sufferings they want to feel good.
People feel good if they are admired and praised. For example if
one is said to be a good boy then he feels immediately good
after hearing that and sufferings temporarily fade. There is no
need for the good words to be true. For example one can say nice
words to somebody to get something from that person. In computer
games one can attach his identity to his game Stats. If Stats
are high then one think that he is something more better and
special than others and feels good. Brainwashed community gives
good words to people with good stats and bad words to peopel
with lower stats. Having high stats makes the feeling
temporarily good but at the end of the day it makes more stress
and sufferings. One wants more stats and feels a big stress if
stats change for 1% worse.
Average highschool grades are the same things like average
historical win rate in Wows.
For example if one got in the highschool an average grade 3.6 in
1-5 scale and the second got in Wows a WR=45% during 10 years
then both numbers 3.6 and 45% are generally the same things. One
can take any historical average from either the school data or
from any other data and it is calculated generally the same way
as the Wows WR/Stats.
Somehow people don't like to compare highschool stats and a game
stats but those are the same things in general. If you ask
people to say what is so different in those things then they
can't explain.
So we can replace the question "Do stats matter" with a question
"Do highschool grades matter".
There are plenty of people who had bad stats in the highschool
but become very succesful in life. That proves that stats don't
matter.
There are plenty of people who have high stats but they totally
wrong things. For example, top athletes may say total nonsense.
During the development years stats change and the environment
changes. One who was a weak player for years can get high stats
today for several reasons but the Stats will still show bad
numbers.
All those examples prove that stats are irrelevant historical
average data. One can try his luck and predict the future based
on those stats but such gambling fails from time to time, liek
in the examples above. And titling others as good or bad because
of his history is not ethical.
If you want to higher the best candidate then make a test for
them and ignore the diplomas. Very often the one with best
diplomas don't perform the best. In the Wows peopel with higher
stats have more difficulties to progress today in the Ranked
battles but those battles are the best way to measure the
skills. First, Ranked has more skillful players and more
advanced conditions (smaller teams etc) and a good ranking
system that filters better players to the Golden league. It is
possible that a person with WR=44% get to the golden league in
the Ranked but a person with WR=54% won't get at all and stays
in the Bronze.
People have a belief that everyone can get to the golden league
if he yolos and does plenty of battles. Such naive belief is
popular because it defends the person's stats. One can still
identify himself with his WR and ignore Ranked and pplay Randoms
2-3 battles a day and say that Ranked is irrelevant. Beside
yoloing peopel believe that lower stat players have luck in
Ranked and a re carried by better players to the Golden league.
Examples:
1. In the Ranked Golden league a person with WR=65% comes to
chat with a player with WR=45% and says that the latter one did
bad tactics. For example, one ship type didn't go to the
location where he was suggested. The main argument in those
cases appears to be that a person with higher stats predicts
better and knows better things because he has higher stats. Very
often the battle placed the lower stats person into TOP 3 and
the higher stats person to TOP 7. And very often the
suggestion/tactics fails in many battles. So ,there are no real
arguments here why one whould do this or that but there is just
a brainwashed attitude that higher stats equals the truth.
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: June 17, 2022, 8:18 am
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More on Stats matters topic:
1. if you believe in stats then why you performed worse than me?
if you believe in stats then why you don't get the gold R1
quickly compared to me?
2. if you believe in stats then i have 2 university diplomas
with good grades and you don't and that makes everything i say
right.
Stats show totally wrong numbers if:
accounts are shared between brothers,
internet is not stable,
lot of distractions (phone calls etc).
It is possible to predict that a person with excellent
highschool grades will go to the university and live an average
life. for example working as a teacher or as an accountant. It
is highly likely that such average life will happen. But making
such predictions is pointless because why one needs to predict
how others progress in their life? Secondly, there is no such
thing that excellent grades in highschool makes the most
successful life. No, usually such people live average life.
Sometimes they become drug addict etc. There is no point to
predict and no clear correlation. The same is with Wows stats.
If the historical stats are very high then very likely one
performs at least at average level in the Ranked battles or any
other battles. But there is no guarantee for that. And there is
nothing definitive that a player with bad stats will perform
badly. And there is no point to predict how a person with weaker
stats will perform.
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: June 26, 2022, 6:35 am
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More on stats:
1. Let's agree that boxer Mike Tyson has good stats.
2. Do you agree that today he would lose easily to hobby boxers
who have no stats or very bad stats? Yes or no?
3. If you answered Yes to the second question then do you agree
that stats don't matter?
One more exercise:
1. Do you agree that skills can be measured my a test?
2. Do you agree that one who has bad stats can beat one who has
good stats i na test and that is not any kind of luck but
demonstrating skills? Yes or no?
3. Do you agree that a person who demonstrates well in a
test/exam has good skills no matter which grades/stats he had
previously? Yes or no?
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: June 28, 2022, 4:22 am
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About "WG is a rich business" belief:
Compare how many hamburgers and potatoes are bought every day to
the amount of thing a game sells? do you get 10X difference,
100X or more? What does that tell about profitability of the WG?
It tells that it is not wise to run such a low income business
like Wows. The expenses are huge too compared to potato growers
salary. One must pay every month expensive salaries to
developers. The client base is only some young kids while
potatoes and hamburgers are bought by every age group.
Conclusion: computer games are not very profitable business type
but better than some other business types.
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: June 29, 2022, 6:45 am
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A popular belief:
1. if there is a left and right close caps then the team must
split and cap the both.
Typically such maps have A, B, C and A and B are close but the C
is far. And A can be called as an "easy cap circle" and the B as
difficult cap.
Brainwashed people think that a small 7-member team must split
then so that 2 ships go to the A and 4 to the B. At least 1 DD
must go i ntheir opinion to the easy cap circle too. Their mind
thinks that otherwise we give that cap area for free and lose.
The real reason is that they just act like robots and do like
they do in Randoms where teams are 15-members and there is
really fine to split. Because all show such Randoms mentality in
Rankeds then all are brainwashed and cannot believe that there
are another tactics.
Questions:
1. do you believe that tactics that work for Randoms where you
have 15-MM works also in Clan and Ranked battles where you have
7-MM? Yes or no?
2. do you agree that in most Ranked battles the enemy team
splits as well? Yes or no? If yes, then don't you agree that it
is easier to kill with all 7 alleys ships their splitted 2-4
ships? Yes or no?
3. Do you agree that it does not matter which 2 caps to choose
for the victory? Yes or no? Do you agree that it is good if all
go to the easy cap and then to the enemy cap to get the 2 caps?
Or, all go to the difficult cap and then to any of the remaining
2 caps. Is it logical anddoable?
4. do you have opinions that are different from your allowed
Wows community popular opinions? For example do you like subs,
CVs, DD shadowing tactics where DDs swim close together for the
AA and tactics, etc? If you don't have any personal different
opinion than your community's allowed opinions then what would
you say about it? Typically they say: everyone else are mad and
stupid. Do you agree that such saying is not adequate?
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: July 1, 2022, 5:18 am
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A popular allowed repeatition is:
Wows is an arcade game.
1. Can you show i nthe history who has defined the term Arcade
adequately? No. Wikipedia defines that it is a slot machine
game. Others use not a clear definition by saying that there is
an subjective uncertain line where games become too simplistic
and cartoon-like and too far from reality. That like is
subjective andn ot clear. So, such definitions are inadequate
and contradict also each other. In the history there has never
been an adequate definition for the term.
2. Some believe autorities if they say that Wows is Arcade.
Well, what is Arcade, secondly, why should anyone believe in
somebody?
3. Wows is far from the classical Arcade definition because it
doesn't look like cartoon-like slot games. That proves that the
term Arcade is definitely not going to describe Wows. If the
term Arcade has changed during the history then it is uncertain
how it sounds today and where is a proof that it has changed?
In conclusion: it is inadequate to use the term Arcade.
Secondly, Wows in far from the classical original meaning of
Arcade, also far from cartoon-like or over-simplified look. Wows
and most modern computer games are realistic enough. There is no
need to title them all as unrealistic.
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: July 2, 2022, 7:04 am
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A popular belief: Dying is a msitake.
Very often brainwashed people think that the result determines
what was right tactics. For example, if you go tospot middle and
die in 4 battles but survive and win in 6 battles then in 4
battles Wows community likes tosay that the tactics was bad. But
the tactics was the same in all 10 battles and successful in 6
ones so how it is bad? and why one thinks that dying is a bad
thing or a msitake or proves anything? Dying is irrelevant but
brainwashed Random Battles tactics are relevant.
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Re: Typical brainwashed defeated believes
By: wows Date: July 2, 2022, 1:27 pm
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Today's explanation what is good and why stats matter:
[code]
Good player can easily recognise a good play because they are
good. Why are they good ? cause they have good stats.
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Typical inadequate explanation in style "good is good".
From upper explanations: "Mike Tyson is a good boxer because he
is good and lsoes all battles today to amateurs. Cause he has
good stats. ".
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