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#Post#: 780--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: 熱愛105°C的你 Date: October 28, 2022
, 9:05 am
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Let me summarize this topic since I already got want I wanted.
Most of the points can be put into: You believe that deep down,
"majority" of players would comment with "stats" in any debate
at some point.
My closing statement is that I understand your way of thinking
to automatically classify the majority of players as
"WoWs-Community" and tagging them with certain attributes due to
your experience with them. While I can't agree with that yet due
to lack of personal experience with the so called
"WoWs-Community".
#Post#: 781--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: wows Date: October 28, 2022, 9:36 am
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[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg780#msg780 date=1666965938]
Let me summarize this topic since I already got want I wanted.
[/quote]
But don't be so egoic and i already above gave a hint that the
Who/Me shouldn't be the priority but something higher could be.
You got something but i don't try to get a debate victory here
and don't want to feed my ego i just am a part of the dialogue
that serves the community.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg780#msg780 date=1666965938]
Most of the points can be put into: You believe that deep down,
"majority" of players would comment with "stats" in any debate
at some point.
[/quote]
Yes.
Stats are liek the most important thing and all other
standpoints and attitudes comes from that. For example the
phrase "trash player" comes straight from the Stats where they
just replace the term Bad with more spicy word Trash and calling
others good or bad is so common normality. That example shows
that calling others "trash player" doesn't come from just low
ethics but straight from the Stats-ideology and the community
who promotes it. I have almost never seen anyone who dares to
say that they don't care about stats. Some say it hipocratically
but then you look his posting history and see still that he
compares his stats with others or silenty supports others who
are stats-minded.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg780#msg780 date=1666965938]
My closing statement is that I understand your way of thinking
to automatically classify the majority of players as
"WoWs-Community" and tagging them with certain attributes due to
your experience with them. While I can't agree with that yet due
to lack of personal experience with the so called
"WoWs-Community".
[/quote]
My opinion about Wows Community comes from the official forum
and game chat but it is not jsut a accidental experience but
more concious observing. For example, the screenshots of dialogs
that i post here, in those dialogs i give responses and
questions which reveal nicely the true nature of players. Also i
did some investigations i nthe official forum and there i tried
to show an opposite ideas to Wows community and nobody
supported, all acted inadequate and racist way- that is a very
good test result again and not only an accidental experience. I
believe that all of Wows community have same opinions and
attitudes and when i have asked for a test "Can you say at least
one your opinion that is different from Wows community popular
opinions" then they fail to give such example. Most believe in
stats and behave racist way with it. To convince you in such
truth i collect the examples and do such dialogues here. some of
our debators have clearly expressed that they are obsessed with
Stats and they do typical personal attacks etc which is typical
for Wows community. Everyone who agrees that "stats matter" act
sooner or later racist why. People act by the vlaues/believes
they have. I gave earlier reasons why i still think that
adressing the whole Wows Community about the stats-racism is
wise.
#Post#: 782--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: wows Date: October 28, 2022, 10:16 am
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[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg779#msg779 date=1666962255]
That person is not here. Whining about his behaviour will not
make him think about it. [/quote]
I don't think that it matters if the person is here or not. We
don't do person-oriented dialogues here. We talk on more
abstract level. I provided 1 example of Wows community and there
is no need for anyone particluar to be present.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg779#msg779 date=1666962255]
All I can do is to tell some players to calm down and focus on
the game "if" I spot these insulting remarks during the game and
then focus again. I'd rather enjoy the game than debating for
more than one sentence.
[/quote]
I don't think that your methods are effective. Also, your
methods seem to be ignorant/individualistic which is also called
egoic and sooner or later puts you yourself into the troubles
that you ignore/support silently. And some people like chatting
more than shooting and i nthe future they become good lawyers
thanks to that, so why to suggest them your methods.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg779#msg779 date=1666962255]
And yes, I am at least trying to not worsen the game
environment.
[/quote]
It is another bigger topic but it is not very clear what makes
things better or worse. Your methods may make the community even
more racist. The game thanks for Reporting and says that it
helps to make things better but if you read the official forum
or have some own experiences then you see that Reporting causes
more harm than good. So, you may believe that you make something
better but in reality it worsens.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg779#msg779 date=1666962255]
You can even call me idealistic if I believe that the majority
of people don't disrespect each other in the game.
[/quote]
If a person is obsessed with stats or any other drug then he
don't care about others and sooner or later shows that out. The
drug is what an obsessed one cares and respects, nothing else.
I agree that most players are not pure psychopaths but in a
milder form they are. For example they believe in stats-ideology
and admit that it is Toxic and enjoy when they see the toxicity
working and from time to time do toxicity themselves or it
happens naturally.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg779#msg779 date=1666962255]
That's why I don't believe in general "stats racism" as I
wouldn't be bothered if people call me a "trash player" and I
also won't message him if I am above him on scoreboard.
[/quote]
I understood that you react to trash-callings only after a
battle is over and when you placed lower in the result lists. I
beleive that it doesn't matter how one performs one battle, and
also it does not matter which average Stats one has, because
both don't prove any skills. Here i comment that seems you seem
to believe Stats based on 1 battle and not liek the community
does by believing the overall RandomsWR. I don't see much
difference in your believes in such case because both beleive in
some numbers whiel i don't believe numbers at all but to leagues
which i call Exams. So, as you see if we dig more and more then
we sooner or later see that you actually have adopted some
values that the stats-obsessed community has. And if you have
some their vlaues then sooner or later you show your real
nature. That i said already i nthe beginning many posts ago.
Here we found that you value a single battle results/stats and
if we dig more or longer then more of the truth/reality comes
out. People often believe that they are good and ethical etc but
that is a lie. So, it is totally possible that you have adopted
racist attitudes. As i udnerstood you don't have posting history
i nthe official forum and you prefer to be anonymous, that's
fine, but for others i suggest that show me your posting history
and i tell if you are a racist or not.
[quote author=熱愛105°C的你
link=topic=127.msg779#msg779 date=1666962255]
True, but at the same time (from what I speculate), people tend
to focus on their game more than trying to point out minor
violations in a chat. If someone says "CVs ruin the game", then
what would you rather do? Ignore and focus on the game (what I
do, because it's just the player showing his dislike for CVs),
or debate with him while being at least 90% certain that he
won't change his mind?
That was one example of things that I ignore.
In the next example, I usually tell people to calm down and
focus on the game: "You are retarded, uninstall the game"
Everything harsher than that I most likely would waste my time
writing more than one sentence to that person and would rather
just send a support ticket.
So you could say that I do let things slip. Didn't claim the
opposite.
"They are all stats-minded and sooner or later the discussion
ends up by them saying that you have lower stats and therefore
should shut up. And that is racist of course."
I am not sure about that claim. But then it could also be me
either not receiving many messages or you receiving too many. It
could also be that ranked environment is "much more different"
to random environment. There could be many reasons why I don't
see many complaints compared to you. So it's difficult for me to
see what you personally see. But you already talked about that
topic enough so I can understand your point of view to some
extend.
[/quote]
I don't think that tickets or reporting or Karma soup are fine.
You suggest to focus on the game rather than chatting which
hints that game results and stats are important to you. For me
stats and an entertainment game result are not so important, not
in Wows and not in football. And personally i think that
chatting developes humans more than a game results/skills, and
while doing both chatting, gaming and some other multitasking in
your room makes your plaing skills better because it acts liek a
more difficult training. And ignorance is not wise but often
worsens and sooner or later puts you yourself into a trouble.
#Post#: 783--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: wows Date: October 28, 2022, 10:26 am
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My summary would be that the main topic was that you believe
that Wows community is generally kind and you don't believe that
they are obsessed with stats and behave rude way based on that
obsession. I believe and provide proofs by screenshots from tiem
to time. My opinion is not only a accidental experience but
intentional investigation results. Even talking to you in this
dialogue shows some hints that you may be actually be the so
called Stats-believer and sooner or later act as those
believers/community does.
For exmaple, you somehow showed a potential support to the
racist dialogue that i showed, and mentioned some kind of single
battle stats/positioning, and some other hints. Also some
behaviours, like feelings like scared about dialgoues- such fear
is common in brainwashed communities and hints that a person is
the member of the community. Etc.
We can't prove anything certain of course because you acted liek
a fine lawyer this time. The next step that i would use is to go
to the Yes-no questions, and the first one would ask if you
think that Stats amtter, and some other Yes-No's. And then we
could get a better profile. But it is not important and we
provided to others enough good dialogue here.
#Post#: 784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: 熱愛105°C的你 Date: October 28, 2022
, 11:48 am
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"You suggest to focus on the game rather than chatting which
hints that game results and stats are important to you. For me
stats and an entertainment game result are not so important, not
in Wows and not in football. And personally i think that
chatting developes humans more than a game results/skills, and
while doing both chatting, gaming and some other multitasking in
your room makes your plaing skills better because it acts liek a
more difficult training. And ignorance is not wise but often
worsens and sooner or later puts you yourself into a trouble."
Don't misunderstand me. I am not forbidding anyone from talking.
But as for me, insulting is more of a negative distraction than
any help. Entertainment is more important to me than reading
insults without anything else to add. For you it is material,
for me a thorn in the eye.
The rest of your arguments are how you see the playerbase. I
will not deny your opinion. By your definition I am a stat
racist as I care about winning certain exciting games while
contributing as much as possible. Not all wins are fun, but some
of these are.
As to your last question whether stats matter or not:
The stat itself, showing that I win more battles than the
average? No.
The stat that I do more damage than the average? No.
My personal progression over multiple patches? Yes.
I care about learning new things and utilising that knowledge to
improve myself.
Since I don't want to reveal my original account, I will only
tell you that I have less than 10 posts on the official forum
over 4 years.
Whether you believe it or not is up to you. You can also make an
illusion that they are of racist nature.
All I will claim is that they are not.
With this we can finish this topic since I don't have further
questions.
Else we would just run in a circle with what we already stated,
but just with different words and examples.
#Post#: 785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: wows Date: October 28, 2022, 12:12 pm
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You don't seem to dare to say out directly that stats don't
matter.
I understood that for you is interesting to see how your WR
graph grows during 4 years.
We have had in many debates mentioned famous equations like:
Stats=RandomsWR=Knowledge=Science=Math=Truth.
You mentioned the word Knowledge. Do you think that stats is
linked to knowledge somehow?
If you answer Yes then that is again closer to the
stats-obsessed players who express clearly the equation above
and with such belief they use Stats as an argument in debates,
automatically/naturally, because their faith really believes
that Stats are holy things that show knowledge and skills. For
example in the very beginning you replied to screenshots where
stats-obsessed people suggested another person to silence
because of stats and end the debate that way. That happens if
one believes that stats are holy things and all that the
equation shows above.
I feel that you don't dare to express clearly that Stats don't
matter. If you feel that Wows community attacks you later then i
don't think they will if you keep yourself anonymous. But
usually they attack immediately and you get silenced. So, maybe
you as a community member are afraid to say things that is not
allowed. At least there is obvious feeling that you are afraid
to say straight that stats don't matter and don't have to matter
in entertainemnt.
#Post#: 2155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Term: racism
By: Chaplain1 Date: December 15, 2024, 3:36 am
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An example of Wows commnuity anti-Russia racism. In older days
all were against Russia, either loudly or silently supporting
it, nowadays mostly humiliating mongolian nation.
And if you say that Wows ocmmnutiy is racist, then they deny
that truth, if you say Hey hitler, they ban you, amazing
hypocrisy.
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