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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Moderator1 Date: November 16, 2022, 5:26 pm
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You say that you are not like the wows community. So, give some
examples how you differ from the community?
I understand that you blame CVs in this and all previous posts-
this is what is typical to Wows community. I don't see any
difference in you and the Wows community.
Are you aware of the values and rules of this forum? If you look
at those values and rules then do you feel that you can follow
them? Your posts haven't followed any of those rules/ideology.
Are you aware that my opinions are opposite to the Wows
community opinions and behaviours? If you are aware of that then
isn't it obvious that sooner or later we confront with some
opinions and that leads to the isolation/banning. One
explanation could be that your goal is to convince me to agree
with your believes/opinions- but doesn't that sound egoic and a
naive wish? So, i don't see any reasonable goal for you i nthis
forum. I cannot convince you and Wows community and i have
debunked all Wows community popular opinions plenty of times, so
i am not going to change any of my opinions or rules. I see such
scenario that you with other isolated ones chat here with each
other and enjoy having a chat room- well fine, i don't mind, but
it doesn't look very reasonable activity in long run, and your
Wows community isolated members somehow don't like to chitchat
here, they probably feel some kind of egoic feeling that
isolation folder is not enough for them.
This folder here is fine so i suggest all banned ones to talk
here. I don't feel very amusing to talk to isolated people and
wows community because i have done it plenty of times and i
don't want to waste my energy. For example i better put my
energy in Wiki-writing.
Is there any specific final question you want to ask from me?
Maybe i can answer but i already gave adequate answers to all of
your ideas.
So, i suggest that try to speak wth your own community members
here and not address me, i join your conversation from time to
time to this folder but not so often.
[quote author=Radial_Engine al Dente
link=topic=123.msg887#msg887 date=1668639880]
The difference is that i am not like the community but you dont
need to to come to this conclusion. is it rassistic if the cv
players are not human and dont get what they are doing
[/quote]
#Post#: 890--------------------------------------------------
Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Radial_Engine Date: November 16, 2022, 5:32 pm
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So if i said that i liked everything that and that everything is
peachy and fun and great and big chungus wholesome super duper
awesome keanu everyone liked that 100 you would be okay ?
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Moderator1 Date: November 16, 2022, 6:05 pm
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I understood that your question is that should you really take
everything positively. If you read the forum idealogy then it
takes the game positively and doesn't see issues but sees issues
in Wows community who suffers and makes people to suffer,
suicide and make crimes. So, this forum tries to see msot things
positively but not all things and does critics, mainly against
Wows community. And the answer to your question is that you
sohuld follow more or less the forum ideaology or make a debate
and try to prove that the ideaology is bad. And the offer to
debate is just a democratic offer and if your ethics is high
enough then you don't have to egoically use the offer to try to
push your ideology. But all have failed in all debates and i
have provided plenty of material already that all prove that my
ideology is fine. Every months someone comes to try his hand and
prove Wows community believes to me and fails with that and i
don't need those people to this forum but i admit that i enjoy
from time to tiem to debate.
Your posts violate the ideology i have here and even if it is
not your intentional goal then the effect would be that you
would pollute the whole forum with worng ideology and it would
be difficult to clean up later so it is reasonable if i keep
Wows community minded people in this one topic.
If your question was that should you pretend positivity then the
answer is that it won't last long and sooner or later you still
break and show the real face. At the moment Wows community does
so strong brainwash that it is difficult for you to believe
anything different that your community accepts. As i explained
earlier i suggest to start to do exercises that should increase
your awareness which eventually show you that you are under
brainwash and then you naturally throw away the brainwashed
believes and you automatically start to take the game positiely
like i do. I gave you and to other opponents enough start
exercises, for example, i asked, write a proof that you are not
a wows community clone/minion by showing at least one
characteristics that makes you different than your community.
And you and other debunked debators have failed with that simple
question and others.
For me it is boring and energy-wasting to start to repeat the
same questions for you and o the same debating again and again
that i have done plenty of times. But i can do and ask straight
and clear way: do you understand and agree that stats don't
matter? Yes or no? If No, then we can again repeat the process i
have done with all debunked debators, but i don't think that
your brainwashed mind would change after that procedure. That's
why i better suggest that find somewhere teachings and things
and when you progress then come back. At the moment i don't feel
that you are ready for that forum. When you finish Wows after
2-3 years maybe then you are little bit more ready to talk but
now not.
And all i said here now goes for all banned ones. Try to go and
progress and when you have little bit more sufficent level then
come and talk.
[quote author=wows link=topic=67.msg822#msg822 date=1667937497]
Values:
The forum main standpoints/believes/values are following.
1. Entertainment is not a competition. Behave in Wows like in
the pub's billiards, liek in the football with friends. No
matter who loses, just enjoy the entertainment.
2. Don't be racist. For example don't treat people according to
their skin color, highschool grades, Wows stats.
3. Life is transcendent, it has things beyond the science. So,
don't act like an obsessed one, like an egoic one.
4. Don't be brainwashed. We don't believe like the racist Wows
community believes about WG, Subs, CV, MM, Stats. We don't
report, don't do Karma Soup.
5. We don't value inadequate behaviour. For example it is
inadequate to post a spam image as a reply for a question. Be a
lawyer. No emoticons etc.
6. Be a monk, be kind. We never call people with titles. There
are some exceptions (terms: Brainwashed, Racist, Inadequate,
PrimitiveShip Types) but even then we explain why we use those
titles, and typical idiot-calling we never do. If we see a
msitake then we don't punish brutally but let the person do some
more msitakes and then we explain and act. Dont call others as
bad, don't title egoically oneself as Unicum, etc- treat
everyone equally. Follow Human Rights, specially the Right of
speach article.
7. We explain and do reasoning for everything. For example we
know very well all the terms that we use and can define them at
any moment. For example we don't use the obsolete term Arcade if
there is no adequate definition for it. We don't follow
unreasonable forum rules like some forums has (many posts in a
row, talking about moderation, etc).
8. Socialization is not a goal. We have plenty of entertaining
reading here, about slangs etc, that is enough of socialization
and if one needs more then go to more appropriate forums.
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Moderator1 Date: November 17, 2022, 12:05 am
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More reading below specially in point 1. I have repeatedly asked
you to show how are you above Wows community like point 1
requires and you failed. But I haven't fail and never complained
about CVs and never felt to want to complain about it. So, I
follow naturally point 1 and the whole healthy world does too,
but Wows community doesn't and suffers.
[quote author=Admin al Dente link=topic=67.msg387#msg387
date=1663518289]
In this topic we describe what this forum is about.
Main/primary topic: World of Warships - free-to-play naval
warfare-themed massively multiplayer game from Wargaming.
Secondary topic: Buddhism/nonduality, food, psychology, slang,
plants, etc.
There is an official Wows forum out there and you can go there
always.
Moderators here have debunked all Wows community popular
opinions (CVs/Subs/WG are bad, stats matter etc) and attitudes
and neverl ost any debates to Wows community. Don't be naive to
think that you can be smarter than this forum and win the 1st
argument i nthe history here. It is very unlikely. But we do so
called Interviews here so you can do one and try any debate
topics. The most admired idols in Wows ocmmunity all lose to us
in any topics. That is the reality and let's take it as the
reality. If you try to fight such reality by saying that we are
idots etc, then you lose the debate very quickly. I have never
said any such titles to wows commnuity while i debunked all
their turth. so, if you think that you have good stats i nyour
previous universities and good skin color and your racist
commnuity admires you, then here nobody admire you and you lose
all popular opinions here. If it is difficult to comprehend and
believe that then go try to prove an opposite, or just go to the
wows official forum. Here, the level is above Wows community. As
it should be. Why come here if your level is at Wows community
level? You should be in your community and not here if your
level isn ot enough yet. If you have difficulties to say your
level then we can conduct a short interview and you can read
about those from other topics to get a picture.
On the ultimate level there is (only) Nothing (and at the same
time Everything) with capital N which means also that there are
no goals. So ,we don't like to set goals and plans for the forum
and we don't like to define rules. But some rules are:
1. you must be above Wows community in some ways. Typically you
are if you have some opinions that they don't (allow). We can do
an interview where Guru says if you are above. If you are almost
at the Wows community low level but seems to have some potential
then you are suggested to continue to resonate here.
2. you must be adequate. Typical rule is that use adequate
methods in your thinking process. For example, don't title
people as idiots or treat them accordind their skin color or
university stats. Don't post spam, etc. You find all those rules
in court/legal system. Be a good lawyer, a good buddhist. Avoid
Wows official forum attituudes, methods. It is difficult to list
all such things but in general: be above Wows official forum.
3. if you doubt in some rules/behaviours, then don't worry,
because moderators/guru will sort things out. For example if you
post somehow a spam but guru decides that your spam is in a way
benefitial then don't doupt and let guru decide if to leave it
or not.
So ,what will your ego get then from here? First, your ego must
die sooner or later no matter which entertainment or other
activities you do. Secondly, let guru guide you without any
concious goals.
Be adequate, be above wows comunity, suurendor to the truth.
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Your Nahkimov-talks you did here belong to those topics there:
HTML https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/132108-general-cv-related-discussions/
HTML https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/115768-suggestions-thread/
In this forum we eat burritos, enjoy the game with good music
and write tutorials like yesterday we wrote Yamagiri tutorial.
And there in the official Wows forum you complain, suffer,
suicide, crime, do racism, violate humanity, and talk about
Nahkimov like you did here. Can you all isolated people
understand that brutal truth? Why don't you stay in your
community and this place here doesn't need you. Try to ask from
yourself what do you offer for the forum, what do you come to
give here? If the answer is that you come to complain about
Nahkimov and do stats-racism then do you really think that this
forum benefits of it and let's you in?
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Radial_Engine Date: November 17, 2022, 5:21 am
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But a large majority of the community keeps calling me trash for
saying what typed in this forum so am not am not brainwashed by
them. I keep explaining that and they dont listen all i get
called is a dog retard that should die or something so i
understand the whole stats people being racist since my stats
arent that good either.
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Moderator1 Date: November 17, 2022, 6:16 am
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[quote author=Radial_Engine al Dente
link=topic=123.msg893#msg893 date=1668684117]
But a large majority of the community keeps calling me trash for
saying what typed in this forum so am not am not brainwashed by
them. I keep explaining that and they dont listen all i get
called is a dog retard that should die or something so i
understand the whole stats people being racist since my stats
arent that good either.
[/quote]
When they call you Dog etc because of Stats then it is called
stats-Racism or just Racism by my personal terms but seems like
more known term is "stats shaming":
" Stat shaming is more about a forum tactic of trying to shut
someone's opinion down by simply pointing at their statistics".
So, use whichever term you like and i continue to use the term
Racism for that.
From your response i see that you seems to understand that:
1) Stats-racism is not kind/polite
This is a good step but little bit more is needed. You should
intellectually understand that Stats are averages that don't
reflect the reality. It is not so easy to explain to you,
because you are under a strong community influence still so your
mind blocks if i try to explain. but, let's try, can you forget
your current Stats and think rationally next. Do you agree with
following things:
1) brothers buy an account from internet and share each other
their Gaming accounts and that is totally fine no matter what
anybody say. Do you agree? Yes, you do. The older brother is
skillful and the younger is a beginner but plays more often so
their historical Stats show RandomsWR=44%. Do you agree that
such Stats cannot be used to make any reasonable prediction and
assumption about their so called Skills etc? Yes? Do you agree
that Stats-believers would try to silence the older brother when
he tries to write tutorials and educate others? So, in total
this example is the first warmup exampel that shows how weird
the Wows community is with their Stats-religion and how
irrelevant some Stats can be. Your own logic should agree with
this example but your brainwashed mind will probably say now
that this is jsut a rare example or says something else similar
to defend your washed beleives. Just mute the brainwashedm ind
and admit that you rationally agree with example 1.
2) Do you agree that Wows Stats which are RandomsWR are the same
things like average highschool grades, or any other average
number calculated by historical perfomance? For example, years
ago you got some grades in some schools/classes and you can
calculate an average Stats from the grades/points you got. Do
you agree that such averages are exactly the same things like
Wows RandomsWR? Yes or no? You should answer Yes here. They are
all mathematical historical averages and therefore equal things
in our example. So, now take such historical averages about your
highschool grades and tell what useful such averages tell for
today about you. Yes it tells for example that you were in the
past performing weak below average in your highschool. That is
true, that Stats show history quite fine unless it wasn't the
brothers example, or internet issues etc. But do you today still
would perform the same way as the average show? The answer
should be No. Because you have developed meanwhile, so the
historical averages don't reflect any truth anymore. And also
peopel devlope and overall Stats don't change as quickly still.
For example in the last highschool year you somehow got
enlightened and all grades went to maximum but the averages over
all years still show that you are below the average. So, do you
understand that an average is a bad mathematical thing? You
sohuld answer Yes. This example suggested you to take any
average number in your life and compare with the reality and see
that the averages are totally wrong things to talk anything
about today, but for the history they are more or less fine
tools in case there are no Brothers example etc. So, in total
Averages are not good tools, do you agree? You should answer
Yes. In your current Wows Stats case the averages might be equal
to the current recent perfomance but this is just a coincidence
and sooner or later your Stats can change. So, averages are not
fine tools. The only thing they can do is to predict something
and in your case the prediction would be most times accurate but
in many other cases the predictions would be wrong and sound
racist/rude. For example, Wows community predicted that i never
progress in the Rankeds because they used my RandomsWR=42% and
they were wrong and i demonstrated to them many times that i get
to Ranked Gold league very easily and that proves that their
racist attitude / prediction based on 42% is wrong. This example
2 here wants you to try to udnerstand that Stats are historical
averages and it is not very wise to predict on them anything
because they are historical and averages. Even the rich stock
market traders write in books that don't rely on historical
averages. Also, peopel with lower higschool averages are more
successful i ntheir future carrer and also academic carrer than
those with excellent highschool Stats. so, do you udnerstand
that Stats are scientifically unsuitable/errorprone tools? And
also remember exampel 1 that makes Stats even more mystical
values, and there are many other factors beside
Brothers-example.
For the start i suggest you to think about those 2 and later i
can try to add some more.
Those 2 points should convince you that Stats are misleading
tools, not-reliable tools. In your case they may accidentally be
the right tools but then we get next aspect which is ethics
which i cover later. First, try to understand that Stats are
scientifically/rationally unsuitable things. But obviously also
ethically wrong things.
If oyu eventually understand that Stats are rationally wrong
things but also ethically then you have progressed and next step
is to do practice that you change your attitude/mentlaity with
exercises. I can't ask you to become enlightened etc but you
must change, must change to become a healthy normal person who
don't care about stats when he plays football, billiards or
computer games. work next years to achieve that goal. I can give
some exrcises.
Also, understand that you have been given wrong values. Stats
are not a value/goal. It is probably impossible for you to
comprehend because you are unders the typical strong brainwash
which beleives that Stats are god and you. Stats are irrelevant
trash, and the values in life is to eat burritos, enjoy the
game, listen to music and have stress/suffer-free feeling. This
is the value and goal. Can you try to understand it?
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Ranked_Good2 Date: November 27, 2022, 4:58 am
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Ranked 1 again... So much talking from guys with no
skill....just deliver some results...
Battles played: 79
Winrate :58,25%
Ships : Napoli / Condé
Uses Ships Fastmoition thinks are good: NONE
Uses tactics Fastmotion thinks are good : NONE
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Moderator1 Date: November 27, 2022, 6:49 am
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I don't play much primitive ships and i don't have much
suggestions to cruiser players and therefore i don't understand
which suggestions you are talking about? Maybe we have somewhere
a "general cruisers" topic, i don't remember, and maybe there
we give suggestions. Can you show such topic because i don't
remember and can't find.
Appearantly for you is important how you perform in
entertainment and as i have called Ranked an Exam then i am sure
you and other league completers have equally fine skills but
there is no need for fine skills in entertainment, i just
mention the exam-opinion because you seem to want to hear it
again, and we have no difficulty to repeat out standpoints.
I suggest to you such exercise that try more often to put
yourself into other people's shoes, it is called Emphathy too i
guess. For example ,you post a random picture from internet to
this forum which has no sign of connection to you, can you go
now to those people's shoes who look your picture? What your
emphthy would suggest? Would they think that this picture is
somehow connected to you? No. would they think that you provided
some thoughts? No. Etc.
Because your repeating post didn't provide anything reasonable
then i moved it to the Isolation area, i'm not sure where it
sohuld be. Because the old Debate topics should be untouched,
read-only, like an archive.
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Ranked_good_3 Date: November 27, 2022, 8:19 am
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You are a Racist!!!!
calling others ships primitive and changing other names.
FCK you you stupid Racist!!!
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Re: A chatroom for isolated members
By: Moderator1 Date: November 27, 2022, 8:48 am
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[quote author=Ranked_good_3 link=topic=154.msg947#msg947
date=1669558792]
You are a Racist!!!!
calling others ships primitive and changing other names.
FCK you you stupid Racist!!!
[/quote]
Regarding Primitive Ship types I have somewhere explained:
1) why i call some ships as Primitive Ships
2) i use very few titles (5 ? ) gow i call
people/communities/ships and compared to wows community those
titles are much milder, for example i don't call peole Idiots,
don't say Fck etc. So, my ethics is higher than Wows community
has but i agree that a good monk doesn't title at all.
We have a rule that says that user names must follow a certain
pattern, also we have a rule that Moderators are allowed to
change user profiles and topics first post but nothing else, and
deleting/banning not allowed. So, your user name violated the
name pattern rule and the moderator changed it. Note that also
Modertors, Admin and other new members are treated equally and
have such name patterns. We don't have in this forum kings,
unicums, and other egoic roles. We re also fine to talk about
moderation while the racist Wows official forum doesn't allow
it. We can talk about forum rules, just give your arguments
first. Changing first post and profiles has strong arguments, i
can repeat them and later write into rules topic. I admit that i
am too lazy to do boring things so the rules section is not very
clear yet and miss many rules i have mentioned in other topics.
Does your ego hurt because Admin and you have the "al Dente"
part in your names? It is such an innocent sufix and i can
explain why we have such suffix i nthis season.
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