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#Post#: 589--------------------------------------------------
Truth: Luck, carrying, big amount of battles, etc won't help com
plete Rankeds
By: wows Date: October 4, 2022, 12:23 pm
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Very popular opinion is that one can complete Gold league by
just doing lot of battles and have good luck, carrying by others
etc.
I am an example that debunks such belief.
If i look my Rankeds statistics then i do around 600 battles per
3 weeks and i have not get Rank 1 in Gold league.
That is a proof by example.
I don't think that there is a need to make a screenshot that
proves that i make 600 battles per 3 weeks and thousands of
Rankeds battles overall.
#Post#: 1075--------------------------------------------------
Re: Truth: Luck, carrying, big amount of battles, etc won't help
complete Rankeds
By: Hanuman Date: February 23, 2023, 3:36 am
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An example of Wows community agreeing with an illusion of "carry
to Gold R1".
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I have some idea.
Its a great way for non-skilled players to be carried up the
ranks for free rewards, just push that battle button enough
times and then "W" and your soon rank 1 in Gold.
You have the same mediocre skilled players as in Randoms but
you experience their non skill much more because its 6 vs 6
instead of 12 vs 12.
WG doesn't make Ranked skill based in any way so why expect
it?!
WG doesn't rewards skill in any way in the entire game so
why expect it at all? You want to play T10? You don't have to be
good or even grind just throw some money.
WG doesn't reward skill at all. For instance, just push "W"
in a sub and you will be top of the score board.
Players doesn't grasp the concept of an Objective in
Domination, Standard, Random, Brawl, CooP, Airship Escorts, Arms
race, Scenarios etc etc so why would they in Ranked?!
For some players at T10 Ranked ..... It IS their first
battle?!??!
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HTML https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/168438-why-is-ranked-battles-such-a-total-sht-show/?tab=comments#comment-4355266
To debunk that illusion i have somewhere chat messages where
peopel ask from me why i do thousands of battles in gold league
and still not R1.
#Post#: 1087--------------------------------------------------
Re: Truth: Luck, carrying, big amount of battles, etc won't help
complete Rankeds
By: Moderator1 Date: March 2, 2023, 2:18 am
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I do around 5000 battles in gold league and don't get R1.
The Mm has so few ships that if 1st dies then that team loses
usually and there is no carrying possible by with 1 less ship.
It is so obvious that the carrying argument is totally wrong.
#Post#: 1618--------------------------------------------------
Re: Truth: Luck, carrying, big amount of battles, etc won't help
complete Rankeds
By: wows Date: February 7, 2024, 8:36 am
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The term luck is very wide.
Every time a primitive ship shoots bullets it requires only luck
to get Citadel damage. That is a pure luck because there is
randomness how bullets arrive to the destination.
The additional luck there is that the enemy ship won't turn
after you shot. If you make a guess that probably the enemy will
turn to right immediately after you shoot and you aim taking
that into account, then such guessing is also a gambling and
needs luck in guessing.
The same way torpedos and other shootings are all more or less
dependent on luck.
Beside shooting luck there is luck in getting luckily an MM with
easier opponents. A luck is when the enemy team gets a DD that
has so bad concealment yhat he can't scout and such luck gives
you a big lucky advantage. Beside consealment luck there are
other characrmteristics like Radars, flags etc which may turn an
MM into your favor. In general Mms are all together fair if you
do at least 7-8 battles in total, you will get around 4 battles
where the lucky MM was better for you than to enemies and
another 4 battles the opposite way, but still the MM luck exists
in those 4 battles for you.
But the above shooting is defenitely a lucky operation in big
part in every battle. Probably 60% is aiming skill and 40% is a
luck part to make luckily citadel hits, fires, floodings, module
breaks etc. If you think that majority has learned to aim ahead
of moving ships, then you can say that majority has aiming skill
and the reality is that the 60% skill part in shooting is
actually irrelevant thing to mention, most can aim, so only the
40% luck stayes left and you can say that it is mostly luck when
you shoot, not half skill and half luck, but only 100% luck. So
shooting is mainly luck because most can aim finely and aiming
is not a rocket science. And so, shooting is mainly a lucky
thing, or if you want say that half luck.
Beside bullets the torpedos require even more luck because they
move longer and slower.
Because shooting is the main action, then the whole game is
mainly about luck, or if you feel better to phrase as half luck.
Beside shooting it is a luck that you and enemies would position
luckily to your favour.
In Wows community it is popular to believe that there are mainly
skills and no luck. There really isn't many skills, and mostly
is luck like when shooting.
The counter argument says that why some players win more than
50% of times if the game is mainly about luck. The answer is
that actually most have around 50% winning, the number 60% is
basically 50%, so actually the luck aspect with the random teams
game aspect makes around 50%. The number 60% is not even
noticable by human senses, after 20 battles.
In random teams most get around 50% of victories, because the
teams are random. But also because shooting and everything
depends in luck.
The skill listing contains so few skills that there can't be any
special slill that would outplay others. Just aiming ahead the
target, not positioning in too risky locations, and that's it.
If there were 100 weakspots on every ship and shooting would be
precise then 1 could remember such things and kill enemies with
each salvo while others couldn't do it because it takes time to
temember 100 magic areas on ships. That would result battles to
end with 1 player making 10 kills from 15 and the winning rate
would be 90%. But there isn't such magic skills, players do 2-3
kills if lucky, not 10.
And that debunks the skills argument.
#Post#: 1619--------------------------------------------------
Re: Truth: Luck, carrying, big amount of battles, etc won't help
complete Rankeds
By: Hanuman Date: February 9, 2024, 1:28 am
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Carrying argument is generally an MM argument. You may phrase it
like: there are MMs/teams that carry you eventually to gold
league or to a high TeamsWr rating.
The argument is wrong because all Mm is fair at the end of the
day. You may do 8 battles and from 4 you may have a strong team
who does the job for you, but in another 4 you wont have. The
same happens wit 40 battles, and 40000 battles. That debunks the
carry opinion.
If there really is luckily a carry player in your team in this
battle then next he will be on the enemy team. 40000 battles
have no carrying just like 40 can't have it. 4 battles can have
it temporarily but 4 is not enough to complete a league and
nobody playes only 4.
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