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       #Post#: 10658--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: FifStreet315
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:14 am
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       --- Quote from: Panz3rChief link ---
       >
       > [quote author=OldFatBaldDude link=topic=850.msg10627#msg10627
       date=1411042736]
       > When I first joined the clan in April it was all so simple. We
       partied, platooned, and killed red tanks.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You know what? That's exactly what I did when I joined, and
       funny, it's exactly what I do now. I sign in to Xbox, join a
       platoon, shoot things, occasionally drown, laugh sometimes. I
       post on the forum too and learn tactics from more experienced
       people. I see some things happen and people leave and think Oh
       well, your loss, seeya on the field.
       I guess I'm just not interested in all the other stuff and don't
       think you have to be. Am I wrong?
       [/quote]
       Bingo!   My thoughts exactly.
       #Post#: 10660--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: Greyza Badger
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:18 am
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       --- Quote from: Panz3rChief link ---
       >
       > [quote author=OldFatBaldDude link=topic=850.msg10627#msg10627
       date=1411042736]
       > When I first joined the clan in April it was all so simple. We
       partied, platooned, and killed red tanks.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You know what? That's exactly what I did when I joined, and
       funny, it's exactly what I do now. I sign in to Xbox, join a
       platoon, shoot things, occasionally drown, laugh sometimes. I
       post on the forum too and learn tactics from more experienced
       people. I see some things happen and people leave and think Oh
       well, your loss, seeya on the field.
       I guess I'm just not interested in all the other stuff and don't
       think you have to be. Am I wrong?
       [/quote]
       Panz3rChief...you're not wrong,mate. In fact, you're bang on.
       #Post#: 10662--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: TKE919
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:19 am
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       --- Quote from: Panz3rChief link ---
       >
       >
       > You know what? That's exactly what I did when I joined, and
       funny, it's exactly what I do now. I sign in to Xbox, join a
       platoon, shoot things, occasionally drown, laugh sometimes. I
       post on the forum too and learn tactics from more experienced
       people. I see some things happen and people leave and think Oh
       well, your loss, seeya on the field.
       >
       > I guess I'm just not interested in all the other stuff and
       don't think you have to be. Am I wrong?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Nope. Not even a little wrong.
       :thumb:
       #Post#: 10663--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:20 am
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       --- Quote from: robertthred link ---
       >
       > First, let me clarify about the "clique email"...
       > I had recieved several messages from newer members about how
       they could not find people to play with. I was not saying you
       cannot play with the members you like to play with, it was a
       request to not play EXCLUSIVELY with those members. Everyone was
       hyped on clan wars and a cluster of exclusive cliques would not
       do as well as a group that has all played together. It seems
       that I must have worded thing badly as no one got this message
       from my email. As for the most recent events see my shoutbox
       entry.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       robert,
       Just my thoughts on this...
       "Once the arrow is loosed; it cannnot be brought back"
       Not implying, by any means, there was a figurative "arrow" aimed
       at anyone with ill intent.
       Never the less, the arrow was loosed!   Examine the effects of
       the arrow... Make corrections (you previously had), estimate the
       effects of the arrow,(you previously had) and MOST important...
       Noch a new arrow!!!
       Stop apologizing for voicing your opinion!  I love ya' Man!
       You(and others) started this group of Old Farts and Fogies...
       I my opinion, that gives you the right to speak your mind.
       It is up to the audience to agree or disagree.  Simple. Right???
       #Post#: 10665--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:26 am
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       --- Quote from: TKE919 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Panz3rChief link=topic=850.msg10655#msg10655
       date=1411049402]
       >
       > You know what? That's exactly what I did when I joined, and
       funny, it's exactly what I do now. I sign in to Xbox, join a
       platoon, shoot things, occasionally drown, laugh sometimes. I
       post on the forum too and learn tactics from more experienced
       people. I see some things happen and people leave and think Oh
       well, your loss, seeya on the field.
       >
       > I guess I'm just not interested in all the other stuff and
       don't think you have to be. Am I wrong?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Nope. Not even a little wrong.
       :thumb:
       [/quote]
       Yup, I have to agree with you there!  I meet OFF'ers daily!  We
       shoot tanks,laugh,yell,laugh.  Occasionally we even manage a
       win!
       #Post#: 10666--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: Remy1974
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:32 am
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       --- Quote from: Panz3rChief link ---
       >
       > [quote author=OldFatBaldDude link=topic=850.msg10627#msg10627
       date=1411042736]
       > When I first joined the clan in April it was all so simple. We
       partied, platooned, and killed red tanks.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You know what? That's exactly what I did when I joined, and
       funny, it's exactly what I do now. I sign in to Xbox, join a
       platoon, shoot things, occasionally drown, laugh sometimes. I
       post on the forum too and learn tactics from more experienced
       people. I see some things happen and people leave and think Oh
       well, your loss, seeya on the field.
       I guess I'm just not interested in all the other stuff and don't
       think you have to be. Am I wrong?
       [/quote]
       x5
       #Post#: 10668--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: FhYikGwAlOU
       Date: September 18, 2014, 9:55 am
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       This may sound as if I am being nosy, but what the hell is going
       on?
       :confused:
       We have these dramatic flare-ups occasionally (sarcasm alert!!!)
       and there is never a clear indication as to what, who, why these
       things are occurring. I realize some items should remain
       confidential/un-aired, but we seem to have threads full of
       innuendo, insults and hidden meaning without ever having a clear
       indication of what is going on. I would like to at least have
       some facts as to the issue in question so that I could consider
       what is going on and draw an opinion based on facts.
       Or, then again maybe I am just being nosy...
       :sceptic:
       #Post#: 10669--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: TKE919
       Date: September 18, 2014, 10:08 am
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       --- Quote from: OldRUGGER51 link ---
       >
       > This may sound as if I am being nosy, but what the hell is
       going on?
       > :confused:
       > We have these dramatic flare-ups occasionally (sarcasm
       alert!!!) and there is never a clear indication as to what, who,
       why these things are occurring. I realize some items should
       remain confidential/un-aired, but we seem to have threads full
       of innuendo, insults and hidden meaning without ever having a
       clear indication of what is going on. I would like to at least
       have some facts as to the issue in question so that I could
       consider what is going on and draw an opinion based on facts.
       > Or, then again maybe I am just being nosy...
       > :sceptic:
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm working on that very thing right now. Should be up soon.
       :thumb:
       #Post#: 10670--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: TKE919
       Date: September 18, 2014, 10:10 am
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       To post on topic here:
       While I totally get your thinking on this, Faethor, a group this
       size is going to need a few folks "at the top" (so to speak --
       not like I can put this stuff
       on my resume or anything :grin: ) who handle admin tasks,
       drafting ideas and rules that membership can vote upon, coming
       up with contest ideas
       and special days, and host of other surprisingly time-consuming
       topics.
       Would I love a group that doesn't need such a thing? Well, sure
       I would! But, for better or worse, I can't think of a large
       group that doesn't have some
       sort of structure.
       Now, I am TOTALLY up for discussing/altering the way that
       structure is currently constructed. In fact, we've (the BoD)
       already have some ideas on
       how to do so -- adding a few junior members into the
       decision-making process, altering some BoD roles, etc.
       So let's certainly have some ideas on that front. And like I
       noted upthread, we're working on it. And we need the help of the
       entire clan!! :thumb:
       Let's be more open and honest and transparent -- WITHOUT all of
       the General Hospital-worthy drama and egos and conflicts.
       Let's prove we are actually mature grown ups. Well, okay. Maybe
       not "mature" but at least grown up...ish. :wink:
       In short: Let's find ways to just have fun and shoot red tanks!!
       #Post#: 10671--------------------------------------------------
       Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
   DIR By: habfan70
       Date: September 18, 2014, 10:22 am
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       --- Quote from: Panz3rChief link ---
       >
       > [quote author=OldFatBaldDude link=topic=850.msg10627#msg10627
       date=1411042736]
       > When I first joined the clan in April it was all so simple. We
       partied, platooned, and killed red tanks.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You know what? That's exactly what I did when I joined, and
       funny, it's exactly what I do now. I sign in to Xbox, join a
       platoon, shoot things, occasionally drown, laugh sometimes. I
       post on the forum too and learn tactics from more experienced
       people. I see some things happen and people leave and think Oh
       well, your loss, seeya on the field.
       I guess I'm just not interested in all the other stuff and don't
       think you have to be. Am I wrong?
       [/quote]
       This right here is exactly what I have been experiencing.  I
       have only been a member of OFF for a short while, but since I
       have joined, I try to participate in the forums, I joined the
       Super Test program, and I am now starting to platoon a lot more.
       And on the platooning, I have to say that it is probably the
       most fun that I have had playing WoT since I have started!!!
       This is the whole reason that I joined this clan, so that I
       could play with a bunch of immature people like me that are my
       age, that know what living the life of an adult is like with
       work and families and such, but can get together and have
       something in common that we can laugh and have fun with, killing
       reds, or at least have a laugh while getting killed by the reds.
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