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       #Post#: 58189--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: Duckman31998
       Date: June 21, 2016, 12:04 pm
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       > PS  - I would Love to run with a weekly platoon centered
       around three arties with a couple tanks acting as
       scouts/protectors
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       I would be up for this as the scout/protector.  I've not owned
       an arty in over a year.....until I picked up a Russian last
       night for the op they have going!
       #Post#: 58207--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: Guderian 9139
       Date: June 21, 2016, 3:12 pm
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       --- Quote from: lll Duckman lll link ---
       >
       > [quote]PS  - I would Love to run with a weekly platoon
       centered around three arties with a couple tanks acting as
       scouts/protectors
       --- End Quote ---
       I would be up for this as the scout/protector.  I've not owned
       an arty in over a year.....until I picked up a Russian last
       night for the op they have going!
       [/quote]
       Duckie, this could be the beginning of a bee-yootiful
       friendship.
       I'm thinking since German Mondays are pretty much kaput, maybe
       we could try Monday night Arty Party?  I only have up to Tier
       VII arty myself
       #Post#: 58209--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: AhBuaya
       Date: June 21, 2016, 3:14 pm
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       You'll doom your team if you launch with 5 arties!
       --- Quote from: Guderian9139 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=lll Duckman lll
       link=topic=3629.msg58189#msg58189 date=1466528673]
       > [quote]PS  - I would Love to run with a weekly platoon
       centered around three arties with a couple tanks acting as
       scouts/protectors
       --- End Quote ---
       I would be up for this as the scout/protector.  I've not owned
       an arty in over a year.....until I picked up a Russian last
       night for the op they have going!
       [/quote]
       Duckie, this could be the beginning of a bee-yootiful
       friendship.
       I'm thinking since German Mondays are pretty much kaput, maybe
       we could try Monday night Arty Party?  I only have up to Tier
       VII arty myself
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 58210--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: FhYikGwAlOU
       Date: June 21, 2016, 3:22 pm
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       Wow – Ken lets me know that being a drunken, obnoxious
       curmudgeon is good for the clan and Matt will not allow me into
       group hugs for fear I will attempt to fondle men’s
       buttocks......but has offered up his own  :puke:
       Day can’t get much better than that!! Lmfao!!
       #Post#: 58211--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: guest504
       Date: June 21, 2016, 3:36 pm
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       I promise it wasn't you =]
       Well, OK - it was, but not for why you think.
       I've heard a number of rants over the past couple days, but when
       you were talking about the reasons you had for preferring to
       platoon without arty I thought you had the first valid point on
       the "boo arty" side of the debate that I'd heard.
       Seemed like the best idea was to drag this out of chat and into
       a forum where we could talk about it a bit and make sure we
       didn't have any unintended consequences (like people leaving)
       from our (mostly goodnatured) complaining.
       --- Quote from: dadodjf1 link ---
       >
       > I'm been as of late the lunatic ranting and raving about arty
       and I know that LC started this thread because of me.  Maybe
       because it seems that I'm always the primary target of them and
       I do enjoy very much a good game without arty on the opposite
       side. The issue for me is that if a platoon mate brings in arty
       in the party then for sure we are going to face arty on the
       other side and I have my thoughts on this as well as the
       occasional effectiveness of the platoon .
       >
       > I realize its part of the game and I'm probably one of the
       biggest offenders as the single tank that I have the most games
       in is actually an arty, i just choose to play it alone.
       >
       > Having said that last night I realized that I have probably
       crossed over the line so I do apologize to LC, Auger and Shaky
       for having to listen to me on my soap box last night. This is a
       game and the point of this clan is to actually have fun, have
       good games enjoying the camaraderie and everyone is welcome to
       drive whatever they want in my opinion too. So from my end I
       promise to shut up. I certainly dont want to be the cause of
       people leaving and if that is the case I would rather leave
       myself first before they do, so If one of our admins feels that
       this is the case please do let me know.
       >
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       #Post#: 58214--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: James0243
       Date: June 21, 2016, 4:44 pm
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       To be honest, I like running Arty, that are often pallet
       cleansers for a rough couple rounds.  They are challenging , if
       you use them to anticipate movement, I experience great glee
       wiping out a poor red with a well calculated guess shot, and
       when green sucks and they fail, I tend to to play them like a
       TD, just the reload sucks if you don't make the big hit or a
       good hit and set them on fire.
       The ribbing I have witnessed as been in good humor,
       As arty I find it my responsibility to communicate to your team
       they having mimics or not, call out on movement,  targets and
       firing locations and reload count downs, I find the team
       actually gets a lot better at spotting and playing smarter in
       general.
       As arty you have a better overall view of play, so call it.
       #Post#: 58216--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: guest509
       Date: June 21, 2016, 5:00 pm
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       I bitch about arty all the time, and have even rage quit. I've
       never accussed an arty of causing us to go up a tier or three,
       that's just not how the game works. I do feel arty is
       over-modeled here, with their eagle eye ability to track moving
       tanks, but it is part of the game. To the extent of my bitching,
       that about sums up my point.
       Besides, if I bitch now, Gunbuggy can just remind me of calling
       "Help" for the green arty :)
       --- Quote from: TKE919 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=gunbuggy link=topic=3629.msg58174#msg58174
       date=1466526614]
       > I have almost 3 yrs into the game and yes over 30,000
       battles.Being new to the clan I have met a great group of
       players that has added more fun and variety to the game and
       thanks to all for that.Unfortunately for most I do use arty time
       to time,but I prefer tank destroyers overall and only have 3
       arty in my garage.One is Russian tier 5 which I recently played
       a lot for the Russian op,most of my squad mates ran premium tier
       7 and 8's so I had to do the best with what I have as I own no
       Russian premiums.I did the best I could to help my squad and
       clan in battles even against tier 9.I did take a lot of heat and
       a lot of it was in good fun which was great,but some would
       actually blame me for being hauled up to tier 9 or ten matches
       because of my tier 5 arty and got to the point of people rage
       quitting.I apologize to any I may have maddened as I was trying
       to do the best with what I had.That being said arty is a part of
       tank warfare and there are a lot of tanks that can one shot you
       and you never saw them like a KV2,Isu-152,Deathstar and so
       on.Its part of the diversity in the game,take the good with the
       bad.If anyone I have played with feels I am dragging down the
       clan,ruining their games then its best to boot me as to cause
       less discourse in the group after all I am only new here.Good
       hunting to all!!
       >
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       <edited due to multiquote>
       #Post#: 58223--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: CamDaddy222
       Date: June 21, 2016, 5:35 pm
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       People are going to bitch. Whether it is about Arty or running a
       light in a platoon because they feel or want to point to
       propensity to be pulled into an upper tier match. They are your
       tanks! Run me all you want! Or, smoke if you got em! Whining
       bitches be damned!  :mooning:
       #Post#: 58229--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: DangerAnt 007
       Date: June 21, 2016, 7:08 pm
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       Run it all, run it hard, run it fast, run it right at the enemy.
       Don't get emotional about it, don't take it personal, and for
       Pete's sake don't camp!
       Just go out there and blow up some tanks to have fun, even
       better go out with some fellow OFF'ers for even more fun.
       Just do it   :headbang:
       or in Matt's case, try to do it   :oops:
       :thankyou:
       #Post#: 58237--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Great Artillery Debate
   DIR By: SPF9200
       Date: June 21, 2016, 8:03 pm
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       I do more cussing about b*tch ass light tanks and bat chats than
       I do arty. Nothing more aggravating than a wuss ass light
       getting behind your TD or arty and slowly killing you like a
       little piranha. That said, I love it when I'm "that b*tch ass
       light"  :troll:
       I used to like arty as much as any other tank when I first
       started playing (right after the xbox launch), but the amount of
       arty un-friendly maps and lack of versatility added with the
       general disregard for arty overall made me mostly quit playing
       it. I actually consider arty a platoon tank because you need
       someone committed to spotting and helping track the opfor to
       truly be successful. I don't see a lot of players ever try to
       track their target, even when there are greenies near by. So
       playing arty can be a real challenge, and no it's not "point and
       click". I miss more damn shots because of elevation changes
       where I'm shooting and one shot goes long so I adjust and next
       hits right were it's supposed to...  :shit: .... I cuss myself
       as arty more than I ever do another arty player.
       So yeah, arty always welcome. Don't hate the player, hate the
       game.
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