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#Post#: 35984--------------------------------------------------
KV-1S being changed in upcoming update 2.1
DIR By: Guderian 9139
Date: August 24, 2015, 2:20 pm
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:shocked: Okay, you KV lovers may not be thrilled at this:
Coming in Update 2.1, the KV-1S will be slightly adjusted and
moved down a tier, and the KV-85 will be introduced as its tier
VI replacement!
KV-1S (tier V)
KV-85 (tier VI)
The mid-tier KV series is one of the more popular groups of
heavy tanks, and with good reason. Heavily armored and
relatively easy for new players to pick up, many tankers have
started their heavy tank careers via the KVs. Capable of
breaching the front or holding defensive positions down, these
mid-tier heavy tanks play an important role in learning viable
heavy tank tactics at higher tiers. With an arsenal of
hard-hitting and fast-firing guns at their disposal, Soviet
heavies will continue to be favorites in all-out brawls!
KV-1S/85 DETAILS:
Players who owned a KV-1S will have it replaced with a KV-85
with the KV-1S researched
Players who only had researched the KV-1S would get the KV-1S
completely researched and the KV-85 researched
Players will be given the corresponding package on the KV-85 to
match their progress on the KV-1S
Reload time for the 122mm gun on the KV-85 will match the
previous KV-1S
Shot dispersion radius for the 122mm gun on the KV-85 will match
the previous KV-1S
If you had Premium ammo or Consumables equipped, they will be
removed and you will be compensated their Gold price in Silver
If you had Equipment on the KV-1S, you will be given the cost in
Silver back
All customization, camouflage, emblem, inscriptions, will
transfer to the KV-85 (Gold or Silver purchased)
The crew on the KV-1S will be transferred to the KV-85
Tank XP on the KV-1S will be transferred to the KV-85
More information will be available as we get closer to Update
2.1.
In the meantime, if you're interested in learning more about
these powerful Soviet tanks, take a look at our historic brief.
The following piece of history on the KV series comes to us from
The Chieftain, Wargaming's in-house militaria expert.
The KV series is well known to historians and gamers as being
very tough nuts for the German forces to crack during the
invasion of the Soviet Union. This results in the KV-1 and KV-2
being the commonly-known versions, although there were a number
of derivatives. The KV-1S and KV-85 are two of them.
The KV tanks of the 1930s had excellent armor for their time,
and very good guns. They were a major factor in any battle they
happened to get to, a situation which would later be reversed by
the Germans in their Koenigstigers (Tiger II). Fortunately for
the Red Army’s heavy tankers, they found that the battle tended
to come to them, an advantage of being on the defense.
Unfortunately, once the German advance was reversed, the
limitations of the old, heavy tank started to demonstrate
themselves.
Put simply, the KV just couldn’t keep up with the rest of the
force in the advance. Quoting General Rotmistrov, “The
difficulty is that while there isn’t much difference in speed
between the light and medium tanks on the roads, when moving
cross-country the light tanks are quickly left behind. The heavy
tank is already left behind and often crushed local bridges
which cut off units following behind. Under battlefield
conditions, that too often meant that the T-34 alone arrived;
the light tanks had difficulty fighting the German tanks anyway
and the KVs were still delayed in the rear.”
A tank which can’t get to the fight is useless, no matter how
good it otherwise is. As a result, a number of programs were
started to make a heavy tank which was a little more
operationally mobile. One of these was the KV-1S, an attempt to
reduce the KV-1’s weight by about five tons. The first thing the
Soviets did was reduce the side armor back to the original 75mm
after it had steadily increased in thickness over KV-1’s
production run, and reduce the volume of the rear hull which
needed protecting, hence the sloping rear deck. Most
significantly, though, they developed a new, smaller cast turret
with a more reasonable crew layout. Finally, to help with
mobility and reliability, an entirely new power train was
created. The gun remained the same 76.2mm. The Soviets did
fairly well, the difference between a KV-1 and KV-1S being the
difference between about 47 tons and 42.5 tons, and speed going
to 43km/h from the earlier 35km/h.
That said, there was some debate in the Soviet high command as
to whether or not they wanted even these lightened tanks, with a
strong push to standardize on the T-34 which appeared to be
doing a fairly competent job. The KV production line at
Chelyabinsk was told to start producing T-34s. Still, there was
enough support in the Army, for a heavily armored tank, that the
vehicle was accepted for production in August 1942, though only
1,300 (some sources say just over 1,000) were built.
The KV-1S then fell afoul of the Red Army’s tank reorganization.
Due to the demonstrated capability of T-34, and relative
clumsiness of heavy tanks with nothing to show in terms of
increased firepower, the KVs were removed from mixed tank
regiments and assigned to heavy tank breakthrough regiments. In
these formations, the relative improvement in mobility was less
important, and heavier armor was more important. In effect, the
KV-1S came too late for its intended role, and filled a void
nobody needed filling when it arrived.
The other part of the World of Tanks on Xbox split is the KV-85.
The impetus for this was twofold. Firstly, to provide a gun
better than that mounted on T-34, and secondly, to have a tank
with a cannon which could reliably deal with the new German
Tiger which was being deployed.
As a result, the failed KV-13 was enlarged, developed into the
IS, and fitted with the 85mm gun. However, as an alternative
option, it was decided to see if KV-1S could be up-gunned. The
first attempt was Object 238, which basically took a standard
KV-1S and squeezed the 85mm gun into it. Suffice to say, it was
already a relatively small turret and ring, so the attempt was
not a great success. The alternative was Object 239, which
became known as KV-85. This was the KV-1S hull with the IS-85
turret. (IS-85 later became known as IS-1)
This design also was not an outstanding success. Yes, it had
more room, but the larger turret required a larger turret ring,
so the hull had to be modified. While they were at it, they
dispensed with the bow gun and moved the radio to the turret.
The tank’s weight went back up to 46 tons, losing much of the
weight benefit that KV-1S was supposed to have obtained in the
first place, and which turned out to be a couple tons heavier
than the IS-85. With basically nothing to mark it as better than
IS-85, except for the fact that the hull production lines were
pretty much already set up, only 130 vehicles were built before
all construction moved to the IS series.
Both KV-1S and KV-85 saw service in the second half of 1943, and
stayed around until the end of 1944. As ISs came off the line,
though, the KVs became irrelevant.
#Post#: 35986--------------------------------------------------
Re: KV-1S being changed in upcoming update 2.1
DIR By: warsteiner89
Date: August 24, 2015, 2:24 pm
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hmmm....im not sure im cool with all this replacement and
re-tooling of the mid tech trees.
i for one own , still use and have totally decked out PZ 4 and
KV-1s.
i have also spoke with him...and Stalin is not happy either !!
Im sure its some Fascist/Capitalist conspiring here.
#Post#: 35987--------------------------------------------------
Re: KV-1S being changed in upcoming update 2.1
DIR By: oxidative stres
Date: August 24, 2015, 2:26 pm
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I have been grinding the hell out of it lately, before one of my
babies gets nerfed....
HTML http://i.imgur.com/q8BaKIU.jpg
#Post#: 35990--------------------------------------------------
Re: KV-1S being changed in upcoming update 2.1
DIR By: Duckman31998
Date: August 24, 2015, 2:40 pm
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Was wondering when this would happen, the 1S is to awesome and
people don't like facing it so they snivel to WG and get their
way. Cry babies!!
#Post#: 35994--------------------------------------------------
Re: KV-1S being changed in upcoming update 2.1
DIR By: SGT Rock 1963
Date: August 24, 2015, 3:37 pm
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I am totally confused right now. Their following the PC that is
clear. But even on the PC what i do not get is. They re-classify
the 1S but the gun stays? WTH Why even bother just put the 85
at tier 5. What is the point? Am I not seeing something here?
They both entered the War about the same time. So is the 85 so
much better armored, or more view range?Because as long as it
retains the kv-85-122mm I dont give 2 shits what you call the
tank, Im shooting something with that. Thought it was all about
nerfing the gun but apparently not. Must be that the armament is
called the kv85-122mm. Am I wrong? Very confused ol guy right
here. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT.
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