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       #Post#: 1916--------------------------------------------------
       Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: July 17, 2014, 5:18 pm
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       PANZERsaurusREX, on 17 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:
       
       
       It seems that many people within this thread have made some very
       heavy inferences into the intention of WGA. Again, one side of
       the extremists are telling us that "they know" that the German
       line was OP and that is why WGA nerfed the tanks.
       
       I have not seen one single post from any WGA official or
       representative that has given the slightest inclination that
       they believed that the German line was OP for any reason. The
       only indication to their intention was that they put these nerfs
       in place to make way for the new tanks within the 1.3 update.
       This in addition to the parity with the 8.8 release on the PC.
       The last statement from Pain explicitly stated, "I want to wait
       for the results of that before going into specific details but
       we're looking at the "buffs" that came along with the engine
       changes."
       
       Unless you have access to the data, which none of us do, or have
       access to inner process and conversations at WGA, coming to this
       forum and saying that, "WGA believed that the German line was
       too strong on the three pillars of tankdom. blah, blah,
       blah...", is pure speculation.
       
       I thought I answered what our intent was in one of my posts
       somewhere.  Sorry if I wasn't clear, there are tons of threads.
       
       
       
       Our intent was to keep our own balance for the 360 and make the
       appropriate changes as we go along.  In 1.3 we had to make some
       changes to the tech tree and underlying components due to very
       deep changes in the files that make up the tanks in server code.
       With the thousands of changes we merged over and reverted we
       overlooked the horsepower decrease on the German tanks (known as
       the great German nerf in these forums).
       
       
       
       We have two choices to remedy this as we must keep the
       substructure of the German tanks intact.  Give the new engines
       the same stats as the ones in 1.2, OR take the other changes to
       the German line from PC (known as the missing companion buffs).
       
       
       
       We've been analyzing both options, the latter being crazily
       complicated.  Does that answer your questions?
       #Post#: 1917--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: July 17, 2014, 5:26 pm
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       Here is the link to the whole thread...  Good Luck with 21 pages
       worth :wink:
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       #Post#: 1921--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: July 17, 2014, 8:04 pm
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       PANZERsaurusREX, on 17 July 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:
       
       
       I fully understood your intent, but others on this thread keep
       insisting you had alterior motives. I was referencing that I had
       seen no evidence of that. Seeing speculative details about how
       you guys at WGA thought the German line was OP were unfounded,
       so I commented to that affect. I concur with Steampunk, your
       situation is not an enviable one, diffing files is no fun,
       especially if it has to be repeated ad nauseam. Man, you guys
       are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
       
       There is a very bright side.
       
       Without saying so, it appears that you (WGA) acknowledges that
       we are not crazy and that our voice on this thread had merit.
       The degree of merit perhaps is debatable, it has obviously been
       debated here for a week.  Regardless, you are looking into a
       solution. For that I am thankful you hear our voice on this
       subject. We live in an unfortunate world where the loudest
       complaints get the most attention. I hope that the presentation
       of our opinion was more useful than hurtful. Thank you for
       listening.
       
       The two solutions you are debating internally are both
       acceptable to me. I can see how this may be difficult to decide
       upon, a revert to 1.2 may be simpler and faster to implement
       now, but what is the long play? I think from a user, a merge
       towards parity with the PC would be easier to understand. Wikis
       would match up, future implementations would not come as a
       surprise, etc. But you guys at WGA may lose something, something
       very important, and that is the freedom to make decisions on the
       metrics that you believe in. What if in the future you don't
       agree with the nerf of the 183? What then? If you take the path
       to the PC you will be bounded by their decisions. If you take
       your own path, you may be forced with similar passionate
       postings like this one. Your situation is a really difficult one
       and I really feel bad about contributing towards it. But in the
       long run, I believe the game will be better for it.
       
       On any respect, I am very satisfied that this is being handled.
       My perceived balance will be achieved with either of your
       decisions. I am lifting my personal financial embargo and will
       be purchasing the Dicker Max and Animal Package this evening.
       
       I appreciate you taking this post seriously. Good luck with your
       split decision, either way it seems fair to me.
       
       Good luck again and Thank You.
       
       I appreciate your response and my hard place equally.  You're
       post lifted my spirits during a trying week. It's ultimately my
       fault this mistake got out into the Live game.
       
       
       
       To go back or go forward would not make us slaves to the PC in
       anyway.  Going back is easy and leaves us modifying 1.2 for a
       long time to come.  Taking the all of the changes just means
       that's our new starting point.  The decision to make is, which
       is a better game for the players right now.  What I can tell you
       is that either way, we won't take PC balance after this.  We'll
       fork those files and only reference PC going forward.  No more
       merges after this for the tank files.
       #Post#: 1925--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: Daswagdaddy101
       Date: July 17, 2014, 8:56 pm
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       Seeing that the nerf was only the part of the PC 8.8 they
       followed I'd say they didn't follow it at all. It was either a
       deliberate nerf or they are really stupid not to balance the
       German tank when they buffed all the Russians.
       I am however waiting to see if they correct this. I think that
       losing gold may outweigh Russian favoritism.
       #Post#: 1928--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: Knight of Annwn
       Date: July 17, 2014, 9:20 pm
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       I know we are beginning to get comments, not specific answers, I
       am one of the 21 pages in quite a few places, the key question
       is highlighted below.
       Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:53 PM
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       Hi guys :) I just wanted to step in and say that I did take time
       to read the whole 11 page thread up to this point, and I'll be
       including in my report of hot topics for this week that I
       compile every Monday. I want to say thank you to the posters in
       this thread - I was very impressed at the ability to express
       opinions constructively and consider each others viewpoints
       without resorting to name calling and general hysteria. This is
       how discussions should go, but very often do not.
       
       We are looking very closely at all of the feedback being
       provided about 1.3 and there is a ton of it to sort through and
       respond to. This week has been primarily about trying to fix
       bugs that are, for some players, game breaking at this point.
       The freezes that require a hard reset in particular are
       something we want to get resolved asap. Because that is our
       focus, we haven't yet had time to come back and address some of
       the issues like this one.
       
       I know that the changes that were made in 8.8 were all
       considered very carefully, and decisions about what to include
       and what not to include on Xbox were very deliberate. However, I
       don't have an answer for you as to why these particular negative
       changes were made without the corresponding positive ones from
       PC. It doesn't mean that answer doesn't exist - I just don't
       have it to provide to you right now. I will make the commitment
       to speak to the people in the dev studio who made those
       decisions and get a "why" answer for this, but it will be early
       next week before I can come back to you with anything.
       #Post#: 1930--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: July 17, 2014, 9:35 pm
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       If you notice on the parts I highlighted in red.
       To go back or go forward would not make us slaves to the PC in
       anyway.  Going back is easy and leaves us modifying 1.2 for a
       long time to come.  Taking the all of the changes just means
       that's our new starting point.  The decision to make is, which
       is a better game for the players right now.  What I can tell you
       is that either way, we won't take PC balance after this.  We'll
       fork those files and only reference PC going forward.  No more
       merges after this for the tank files.This is Pain from the WG
       Developers and apparently resposible for the 1.3 update.
       My summation is: WG wanted to save money on the new content by
       taking some    of the PC files and "cut and paste" the PC code
       for XBox.
       The result was not all of the appropiate code was copied. i.e.
       Nerfs and no corresponding buffs ala PC 8.8...
       Tl;dr...
       WG goofed with 1.3 release...  Now the question is what can they
       do to fix it?  Based on the comments from Pain, they will
       address the issue... Soon... :palm:
       #Post#: 1934--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: Daswagdaddy101
       Date: July 17, 2014, 11:39 pm
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       As I said wait and see. They'd have to be daft not to realise it
       was completely mental not to balance  the germans with the 1.3
       instead of just a nerf, not buying it.  It's lose of income that
       has brought them around if anything.
       #Post#: 1940--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: Dry0atmeal
       Date: July 18, 2014, 4:19 am
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       WG I believe said it wanted to keep the PC and 360 versions
       desperate... maybe this is the first step?
       The nerf really didn't affect me as of right now I own 2 German
       tanks... the Tiger and the new premium Dicker max.
       #Post#: 1960--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: ReverendBeast
       Date: July 18, 2014, 8:48 am
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       I come at the issue from a technical stand point.  I think, from
       reading between the lines, the problem arose when WG Xbox tried
       to use the PC balance teams metrics. :shocked:
       Then they tried to import the PC balance and used the tank stat
       data from the 8.8.
       The problem was that most likely the 8.8 data was implemented in
       more than one release internally to WG.  i.e.  Tank stats are
       two or more developers, each submitting their data at different
       times...
       
       When the new 1.3 is integrated, there was a date which all the
       merge code had to be compiled for release (from the PC code).
       From a QC stand point, I think the PC code had more than one
       component that did not meet the date selected as the "Final
       Release of 8.8".
       I believe that is why we were having freezes and crashes and WG
       actually had to pull some maps out of rotation.  It's all
       related to the tank rendering and stat codes...  If the tanks
       have conflicting or incomplete data, they cannot be rendered.
       I am not a game developer, but I have had to manage code
       releases for different platforms. I can tell you first hand, the
       most difficult tasks I've had involved "merging exsisting
       metrics" to a different platform.  Always a few revisions get
       left out or the code is whacked because someone did not send
       their most recent revision.
       Still I am not making excuses for WG.  Proper testing should
       catch most, if not all of those issues prior to release.  I just
       recognize what a pickle they are in...
       
       WG is going to get hit on two fronts financially.
       One, the user base is having a fit and the predictable loss of
       revenue associated with that.
       Two, They are going to have to dedicate resources to correct the
       code and have to foot the costs of another patch or another
       revision and go through the MS certification again.
       I would not be happy having to present either of those options
       at a staff meeting.
       #Post#: 1963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Before you sell your German heavies, consider this....
   DIR By: Shard77
       Date: July 18, 2014, 8:56 am
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       I realize the "testing base" is much bigger once you release a
       patch to the entire WOT community but, if players post-patch
       were realizing the issues with their German tanks literally
       within hours of it being released, isn't this something that
       should have easily been discovered during testing (i.e. German
       tanks got the engine nerf, but not the corresponding buffs)?
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