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Re: I have to speak out
By: EnchantedDragons Date: August 4, 2017, 4:59 pm
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To be honest, I agree with Aether. Also, I watched a video where
it said that even if abortions were banned, people would still
do just as much of them. However, because it's illegal, they
would be doing it themselves and then both the mother and child
would die.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: Vulcanatus Date: August 4, 2017, 5:14 pm
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[font=arial]I'm just
Gonna
Sit here in the corner with my incredibly immoral and unethical
self.
You can probably guess where I stand on this just based on
that.[/font]
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Re: I have to speak out
By: Angel_614 Date: August 4, 2017, 5:40 pm
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I'm sorry, but this is not a topic to be debated over in a
sterile, safe, philosophical or whatever environment.
This is a topic that spins around our emotions and flips us
upside down.
Consider Mary. She was terrified, and not much older than I was
when she was told she would have a baby. Nobody wanted to
support her, no one would take her in, her own husband doubted a
little bit.
But did she give up on the child?
No. She knew it would be hard, she knew it would be
Inconvenient, and that the child might not have the best life,
but she wouldn't just give up on that child.
So she had Him. She had that baby in that dirty, run down
stable,, and she loved Him, even though she was scared about the
uncertain future and how she and her husband would provide, she
had that baby, and He turned out to be Jesus.
Think of it, what if that aborted baby could have grown up to
change the world for the better? What if that parent or parents
hadn't just given up, and had had that baby, even if it was
scary, and they knew that it would be hard to provide, but they
managed to get through it, and that baby grew up to change the
world for the better?
"Whatever you did for one of the least of these (babies and
unborn children) brothers and sisters of mine, you did unto me."
Quote Jesus, Matthew 25:40.
We can argue about this all we want, I can give examples,
scientific facts, bible verses, and the like, but it all comes
down to this,
Jesus considers each life, no matter how small, insignificant,
or "inconvenient", precious,
And so do I. He died to save lives, not have us take them.
I can argue all I want, but in the end, it is HIM who changes
Hearts, not me.
You know how I stand on this, abortion is wrong.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: blue Date: August 4, 2017, 8:56 pm
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Honestly it's the only option for some people. Having a baby
could be extremely traumatic if it came from... you know what
I'm talking about. Would you like to learn your mother didn't
want you because your father was a monster? I don't personally
support abortion but I wouldn't want it to be illegal either.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: Angel_614 Date: August 4, 2017, 9:02 pm
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But the point is that the baby didn't do anything wrong. It
doesn't matter how it happened, the baby is like a new start,
afresh beginning, it doesn't have to carry the burden of being
born from some "mistake", because birth symbolizes new
beginnings!
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Re: I have to speak out
By: AetherAer Date: August 4, 2017, 9:44 pm
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[color=gray]People don't just go get abortions without a second
thought. They put a lot of thought into it, and try to find
other options. However, there aren't always any right choices,
there isn't always another way. People get abortions for
different reasons, but it's almost always because it's needed.
In some cases the babies might be extremely defective, they
would've suffered and then died shortly after being born. In
some cases the parents have life threatening conditions,
that make pregnancy dangerous. Sometimes its the parent's life
or the child's life. There isn't always a way.
You continue to call having a child you can't support as an
inconvenience, but it's not just a small inconvenience. It
changes your life forever, and in many situations in a bad way.
You might be forced to drop out of school, or to quit your job,
you have to take care of a child you can't take care of. It's
not always better to let the child live. Aborting a pregnancy is
heartbreaking, but it's still needed.
Mary's situation is extremely different. Her pregnancy and
situation was in no way normal. She was old enough to get
married and have kids. She had a husband to support her, and she
was pregnant with god's child (which was a blessing). This is
not the same situation people who get abortions face.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: Angel_614 Date: August 4, 2017, 9:53 pm
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Even if I had to drop out of school or work, I would still do it
rather than kill my own child. Even if I ran the risk of dying,
I would still have the child, because a family who wants to
adopt very badly would want to take care of it.
I know a couple who I am good friends with who have been waiting
to adopt a child for 3 or more years. Meanwhile we are killing
children left and right. I get that the parents might not be
able to take care of the child. If they really needed to, they
could give it up for adoption to a loving family who could
support it.
And the rate for a defective child or "dangerous conditions" is
a LOT lower than you think.
And is a child with autism considered "defective"? Because that
child is still a child, it just needs more love. I know SEVERAL
people who have autistic children who were offered to abort it
but chose not to and who love that child. I know several
autistic children who I love very much as they bring a light to
my life, and I smile every time I see them because they seem
like the happiest people in the world.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: AetherAer Date: August 4, 2017, 10:36 pm
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I'm not referring to autistic children, or people with anything
similar to that. I'm referring to serious birth defects, like
deformed hearts or other organs, or things like cerebral palsy.
Some see it as kinder to abort the pregnancy in some of these
cases, instead of having the children suffer their entire life.
(This article from 2 years ago for example, has the stories of
many mothers who had to abort pregnancies for medical reasons
HTML https://thinkprogress.org/women-who-had-abortions-after-20-weeks-explain-why-theyre-necessary-75ebae9c6c08/)<br
/>There are many medical related reasons that cause mothers to
have to abort the pregnancy.
You may see it as killing a child, but it's not as simple as
that. It's an extremely complicated choice, that changes
people's lives. It's a heartbreaking choice that people are
forced to make. It's the best option, when there aren't any good
ones left. Not everyone has family who can help them, or friends
to support them. In some cases people don't even have a spouse
to help them or are in an abusive or bad relationship. It just
isn't the right time for them to bring a child into the world,
it wouldn't be right for them and it wouldn't be right for the
child.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: icarus757 Date: August 4, 2017, 10:53 pm
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Angel, defective babies as in babies that have collapsed lungs,
hearts with too many holes, and other things that would cause
the baby to either have a very low or no chance of survival.
And if a family wants to adopt a baby, they usually can find
one. Many children get to be more than seven years old before
getting adopted, and may even go through at least three years of
foster homes before getting adopted. I'm not saying that putting
a child up for adoption is wrong, but trust me, there are
already many children in need of adoption.
And listen, parents who are getting abortions at seven or eight
months or around then wanted to have the baby, but for some
reason, they can't. They'll mourn their unborn child. Reasons
can include that their living situation is no longer fit for a
child, the mother has some sort of condition that will make a
successful birth severely unlikely, etc.
If you don't want to get an abortion, don't. But there are
people who have to get them, or would rather get them than have
their child grow up in a bad situation. Babies from rape can be
heartbreaking and terrifying, as well as traumatizing - mothers
who are pregnant from rape may be mentally unable to raise the
child.
People get abortions for many reasons, Angel, not just because
they don't want the baby. While that's a fully acceptable reason
to get one, not everyone has the same story the person you know
does.
I'm not a mother, so I can't give a mother's perspective, but
abortions are necessary procedures and it isn't as simple as
"killing something" - they don't even understand that they
exist. They're babies. They're less than babies. They're
fetuses. They're a mass of forming cells.
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Re: I have to speak out
By: icarus757 Date: August 4, 2017, 11:32 pm
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They are less than a baby by which i mean, they aren't actually
born yet. they're fetuses. we call them babies which is easier
but theyre fetuses
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