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       The detector is affecting the particle. No small particle can be
       measured without being displaced somehow.  The guy in the video
       knows this too, if he's a physicist. He knows the detector is
       collapsing the wave function of the particle.  It's physically
       impossible for the detector to NOT affect the particle. People
       who say that literal human consciousness is affecting the
       particle are considered quacks by the legit physicist community.
       There are a lot of quacks in quantum mechanics, they get away
       with it because the material itself is so dense and esoteric.
       These quacks sometimes make a lot of money writing books and
       giving lectures. This particular episode of quackery has been
       around for a long time, initially due to a misunderstanding of
       the scientific usage of the term, "observer." You've been
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       By: mistermax Date: May 21, 2016, 10:38 am
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       I thought interference caused by the detection method should be
       the logical cause of the wave function collapse too (although I
       would expect partial collapse if this were the cause) but, well,
       physicists are way ahead of me and already tested this out.
       Look into the much more sophisticated Delayed Choice Quantum
       Eraser versions of this experiment. It subjects all particles to
       an active detection devise but if the �which path� information
       is subsequently destroyed (basically accomplished by 'confusing'
       the path  with other paths made possible through the design's
       use of splitters and half silver mirrors which reflect or pass
       through at 50/50 chance) then the wave function is NOT
       collapsed. Only if the particle takes a path that allows for the
       slit it passed through to be inferred will the wave function
       collapse. Crazy strange huh�I can't wrap my head around
       it�especially when considering the retrocausality implications.
       How the F can the electron know weather its path will be
       inferred or not and 'choose' to act like a regular particle or a
       wave from the very beginning�before the moment it's path can be
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       Quantum Mechanics & Chaos Theory: Anarchist Meditations on N.
       Herbert�s Quantum Reality: Beyond the New Physics
       Scientific worldviews or �paradigms� can influence � or be
       influenced by � social reality. Clearly the Ptolemaic universe
       mirrors theocentric & monarchic structures. The
       Newtonian/Cartesian/mechanical universe mirrors rationalistic
       social assumptions, which in turn underlie nationalism,
       capitalism, communism, etc. As for Relativity Theory, it has
       only recently begun to reflect � or be reflected by � certain
       social realities. But these relations are still obscure,
       embedded in multinational conspiracies, the metaphysics of
       modern banking, international terrorism, & various newly
       emergent telecommunications-based technologies.
       Which comes first, scientific paradigm or social structure? For
       our purpose it seems unnecessary to answer this question � and
       in any case, perhaps impossible. The relation between them is
       real, but acts in a manner infinitely more complex than mere
       cause-&-effect, or even warp-&-weft.
       Quantum Mechanics (QM), considered as the source of such a
       paradigm, at first seems to lack any social ramifications or
       parallels, almost as if its very weirdness deprives it of all
       connnections with �everyday� life or social reality. However, a
       few authors (like F. Capra, or Science-Fictioneers like R.
       Rucker or R. Anton Wilson) have seen Quantum Theory both as a
       vindication of certain �oriental philosophies� & also as
       prophetic of certain social changes which might loosely &
       carelessly be lumped under the heading �Aquarian.�
       The �mystical� systems evoked by our contemplation of Quantum
       facts tend to be non-dualist and non-theocentric, dynamic rather
       than static: Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Tantra (both Hindu &
       Buddhist), alchemy, etc. Einstein, who opposed Quantum theory,
       believed in a God who refused to play dice with the universe, a
       basically Judeo-Protestant deity who sets up a cosmic speed
       limit for light. The Quantum enthusiasts, by contrast, prefer a
       dancing Shiva, a principle of cosmic play.
       Perhaps �oriental wisdom� will provide a kind of focusing
       device, or set of metaphors, or myth, or poetics of QM, which
       will allow it to realize itself fully as a �paradigm� & discover
       its reflection on the level of society. But it does not follow
       that this paradigm will simply recapitulate the social complexes
       which gave rise to Taoism, Tantra or alchemy. There is no
       �Eternal Return� in the strict Nietzschean sense: each time the
       gyre comes round again it describes a new point in space/time.
       Einstein accused Quantum Theory (QT) of restoring individual
       consciousness to the center of the universe, a position from
       which �Man� was toppled by �Science� 500 years ago. If QT can be
       accused of retrogression, however, it must be something like the
       anarchist P. Goodman�s �Stone Age Reaction� � a turning-back so
       extreme as to constitute a revolution.
       Perhaps the development of QM and the rediscovery of �oriental
       wisdom� (with its occidental variations) stem from the same
       social causes, which have to do with information density,
       electronic technology, the ongoing collapse of Eurocentrism &
       its �Classical� philosophies, ideologies & physics. Perhaps the
       syncresis of QT & oriental wisdom will accelerate these changes,
       even help direct them.
       Table of Paradigms
       With Their Spritual, Political & Economic Parallels
       Paleolithic � shamanic � non-authoritarian � hunter/gatherer
       Neolithic � polytheistic � authoritarian � agricultural
       Earth-centered Cosmos � theistic � monarchial/theocratic
       (hierarchical) � urban
       Sun-centered Cosmos � monotheistic � divine right of kings �
       colonialism & imperialism
       Mechanistic universe � deist or atheist � democracy, capitalism,
       communism � industrial/technological
       Relativistic universe � Modernism � cybernocacy �
       post-industrial (electronic)
       Quantum universe ...
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