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       Η επιρροή το&#
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       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 7, 2016, 1:16 pm
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       Almost immediately after they seized power, Lenin's Bolsheviks
       inaugurated an endless stream of economic decrees and policies.
       These proved to be disastrous, resulting in a horrific famine,
       depopulation of the cities, and an enormous decline in living
       standards. So unpopular were these policies that after they were
       finally altered in mid 1921, Lenin tried to re-write their
       history. It was at this point that the Bolsheviks economic
       policies from 1918-1921 were dubbed "War Communism," and
       declared to have been a temporary expedient forced upon Lenin's
       government by wartime conditions. In fact, so-called "War
       Communism" began before serious fighting erupted, and continued
       after the Whites had been decisively defeated. It was not a
       wartime expedient; it was the policy that Lenin wanted to pursue
       in war or peace. As Pipes explains, "War Communism as a whole
       was not a 'temporary measure' but an ambitious and as it turned
       out premature attempt to introduce full-blown communism." (The
       Russian Revolution) As noted earlier, Lenin's ideas on desirable
       economic policy were vague at best. So upon taking power, he
       looked around the world for inspiration; what caught his eye was
       the "War Socialism" of the German Kaiser. As Paul Johnson notes:
       So one might say that the man who really inspired Soviet
       economic planning was Ludendorff. His "war socialism" certainly
       did not shrink from barbarism. It employed slave-labourers. In
       January 1918 Ludendorff broke a strike of 400,000 Berlin workers
       by drafting tens of thousands of them to the front in "labor
       battalions." Many of his methods were later to be revived and
       intensified by the Nazis. It would be difficult to think of a
       more evil model for a workers' state. Yet these were precisely
       the features of German "war socialism" Lenin most valued.
       (Modern Times)
       The primary features of War Communism were:
       Uncontrolled inflationary printing press finance, ultimately
       leading to hyperinflation and nationwide reversion to barter
       Near universal nationalization of manufacturing; widespread
       nationalization of retailing
       Stringent price controls upon and forced requisitioning of
       agricultural products; state monopoly on grain purchases
       Forced labor for civilians as well as the military
       The package fit together quite logically. The tax system had
       broken down, so the Bolsheviks just turned on the Czar's
       printing pressing to fund their activities. At the same time,
       the prices of most goods were fixed, so as the money supply
       increased without limit, the legal prices became less and less
       realistic. Rationing cards replaced rubles as the means of
       acquiring goods. But if money no longer bought goods, then what
       was the point of working? Hence, the imposition of compulsory
       labor.
       The Bolsheviks' forced labor policies gave new life to the
       concept of irony. The men who had proclaimed themselves
       liberators of the workers and denounced the exploitation of
       labor suddenly discovered the joys of serfdom. Trotsky stood at
       the theoretical vanguard of the literal proponents of slavery:
       "It is said that compulsory labor is unproductive. This means
       that the whole socialist economy is doomed to be scrapped,
       because there is no other way of attaining socialism except
       through the command allocation of the entire labor force by the
       economic center, the allocation of that force in accord with the
       needs of a nationwide economic plan." Initially the forced labor
       laws were applied to the (ex-)middle classes, but their
       application rapidly broadened to include not only workers and
       peasants but even minors. As Pipes explains:
       By late 1918, it became common practice for the Bolshevik
       authorities to call up workers and specialists for state service
       exactly as they drafted recruits into the Red Army. The practice
       was for the government to announce that workers and technical
       specialists in a specified branch of the economy were "mobilized
       for military service" and subject to court- martial: those
       leaving jobs to which they had been assigned were treated as
       deserters... Efforts to organize industrial labor on the
       military model could not have worked well in view of the
       plethora of decrees on this subject, setting up ever new
       punishments for "labor deserters," ranging from publication of
       their names to confinement in concentration camps. (The Russian
       Revolution)
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       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
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       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 7, 2016, 1:32 pm
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       Kι ο ίδιος ο
       Λένιν
       εκφράζει το
       1918 το
       θαυμασμό
       του για τη
       γερμανική
       πολεμική
       οικονομία
       του Α' Π.Π. και
       την
       ονομάζει
       "πρότυπο για
       το
       σοσιαλισμό"
       [quote]To make things even clearer, let us first of all take the
       most concrete example of state capitalism. Everybody knows what
       this example is. It is Germany. Here we have “the last word” in
       modern large-scale capitalist engineering and planned
       organisation, subordinated to Junker-bourgeois imperialism.
       Cross out the words in italics, and in place of the militarist,
       Junker, bourgeois, imperialist state put also a state, but of a
       different social type, of a different class content—a Soviet
       state, that is, a proletarian state, and you will have the sum
       total of the conditions necessary for socialism.
       Our task is to study the state capitalism of the Germans, to
       spare no effort in copying it and not shrink from adopting
       dictatorial methods to hasten the copying of it. Our task is to
       hasten this copying even more than Peter hastened the copying of
       Western culture by barbarian Russia, and we must not hesitate to
       use barbarous methods in fighting barbarism.[/quote]
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       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
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       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 7, 2016, 2:05 pm
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       Ρε σεις,
       αυτός εδώ
       λέει ότι ο
       Λούντεντορ&#96
       6;
       έφτιαξε
       μόνος του
       Κομμουνισμ&#97
       2;,
       Ισλαμισμό
       και Ναζισμό,
       και δίνει
       και βάσιμα
       επιχειρήμα&#96
       4;α:
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       Erich Ludendorff
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       A military genius. But also a political genius.
       Unfortunly, he did not use his gifts to benefit mankind.
       During WWI Ludendorff became the de facto ruler of the German
       empire. He was a genius with many talents, but very sadly: He
       had no morality.
       Achivment 1: Communism
       During WWI. Ludendorff put all of the German industry and
       economi under military command. It was a planned economy.
       Ludendorff called wartime socialism. Many Russians were very
       impressed by Germany who totaly destroyed Russia in WWI. Among
       them was a man called Lenin living in Switzerland. Ludendorff
       believed that it would be a good idea to send Lenin from
       Switzerland to Russia and finance his obscure group of
       socialist. He believed that they would take control of Russia
       and make a mess of it so that Russia would have to make peace
       with Germany. Ludendorff was right.
       Lenin and his fellows revolutionaries dreamed of the revolution
       but had not thought of what it would be like after the communist
       revolution. Live after the revolution was expected to be Luke
       heaven. There would be no more greed, crime or oppression.
       Things did not work out as expected for Lenin and his fellow
       world improvers. What to do!
       Lenin found the solution: We must run Russia the way Ludendorff
       run Germany during WWI! So, Russia became the Soviet Union and
       was runned by planned economy and a complete militarisation of
       the economy and all aspects of life. (Just while waiting for the
       communist utopia that would come. Soon. Just hold out)
       Achievment 2:  Islamism
       In WWI, Germany was short of allied. Ludendorff had a solution:
       Lets join up with the Ottoman empire!
       Germany was now allied with the leading muslim country whos
       ruler claimed to be the legitime Khalif, the legal teplacement
       for the prophet Mo.
       Ludendorff realised the potential political force of Islam.
       France and Britain had many colonial subjekts of muslim faith.
       They had no really good infantices to fight for a German victory
       in WWI. Ludendorff invented the idea of political islam: make
       rebellion against your colonial masters. Muslims should not be
       governed by non-muslims! Join the fight for Germany, and the
       true muslim overlord: the Khalif in Istanbul.
       It took some time for muslim fundamentalism to spread. Today it
       is a major problem in the world, and yet the muslim fanatics do
       not pay suitable tribute to the evil german general who first
       came up with the idea.
       Achivement 3: Nazism
       In 1918 Ludendorff realised he had lost WWI, but he did not want
       to take responsibility for loosing. So, he tricked the
       socialdemocratic party to take over Germamy and end the war.
       Than after the peace of Versaile, Ludendorff explained what had
       happend: Germany had won WWI. The treacherous Social Democrats
       had betrayed the nation! All sacrifies during the war had been
       in vain.
       Now all Ludendorff had to do find a suitable nationalist party
       and once again take control of Germany! He choosed a small and
       obscure party: NSDAP, aka the nazi-party. Ludendorff joined the
       party and started to work together with a formal corpral: Adolf
       Hitler.
       But the nazi -party was a disapointment for Ludendorff. He left
       the party in protest. The only person who I have heard of doing
       so with the motivation that the nazi-party was not extrem enough
       Και δεν του
       έχουμε
       κάνει ακόμα
       προτομή στο
       Webwar;
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       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
       9;υ Λούντεντο&
       #961;φ στον Λένι&#9
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       By: Αρχιφα
       σίστας Dat
       e: January 7, 2016, 2:22 pm
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       Δεν διάβασα
       το κείμενο
       αλλά ο Λένιν
       είχε και
       έναν πολύ
       καλό λόγο να
       γουστάρει
       τους
       Γερμανούς
       του Α' ΠΠ
       γιατί πολύ
       απλά αυτοί
       τον
       αμόλησαν
       στην Ρωσία
       και τον
       στήριξαν
       για να κάνει
       την
       επανάσταση
       έτσι ώστε η
       Γερμανία να
       σιγουρέψει
       την Ανατολή
       και να
       αφοσιωθεί
       στο δυτικό
       μέτωπο
       παρότι έτσι
       κι αλλιώς
       είχε πάει
       γαμιώντας
       τους Ρώσους
       στο
       Τάνενμπεργ&#95
       4;.
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       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
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       #961;φ στον Λένι&#9
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       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 7, 2016, 2:32 pm
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       [quote author=Pepe the Frog link=topic=2226.msg20211#msg20211
       date=1452198129]
       Δεν διάβασα
       το κείμενο
       αλλά ο Λένιν
       είχε και
       έναν πολύ
       καλό λόγο να
       γουστάρει
       τους
       Γερμανούς
       του Α' ΠΠ
       γιατί πολύ
       απλά αυτοί
       τον
       αμόλησαν
       στην Ρωσία
       και τον
       στήριξαν
       για να κάνει
       την
       επανάσταση
       έτσι ώστε η
       Γερμανία να
       σιγουρέψει
       την Ανατολή
       και να
       αφοσιωθεί
       στο δυτικό
       μέτωπο
       παρότι έτσι
       κι αλλιώς
       είχε πάει
       γαμιώντας
       τους Ρώσους
       στο
       Τάνενμπεργ&#95
       4;.
       [/quote]
       τους
       Γερμανούς
       έτσι κι
       αλλιώς τους
       συμπαθούσε
       ο Λένιν. Τους
       αγγλογάλλο&#96
       5;ς
       δε γούσταρε.
       Το
       Τάνενμπεργ&#95
       4;
       παίζει να
       ήταν και
       μιλημένο,
       αφού οι
       Ρώσοι είχαν
       γερμανό
       διοικητή
       που λέγεται
       ότι τα
       τσέπωσε για
       να μην κάνει
       κίνηση.
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       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
       9;υ Λούντεντο&
       #961;φ στον Λένι&#9
       57;
       By: mistermax Date: January 7, 2016, 2:46 pm
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       [quote author=Long Knives 88 link=topic=2226.msg20207#msg20207
       date=1452197133]
       Και δεν του
       έχουμε
       κάνει ακόμα
       προτομή στο
       Webwar;
       [/quote]
       Θα
       μπορουσαμε
       να
       ανοίξουμε
       νεα ενότητα
       στο
       γουεμπγορ
       "αγαλματα/πρ&#
       959;τομες/αγιο&#947
       ;ραφίες"
       οπου ο
       καθενας θα
       μπορουσε να
       ανεβάζει
       τον
       αγαπημένο
       του
       αιμοσταγή
       δικτατορα
       #Post#: 20215--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
       9;υ Λούντεντο&
       #961;φ στον Λένι&#9
       57;
       By: Αρχιφα
       σίστας Dat
       e: January 7, 2016, 3:15 pm
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       [quote author=Long Knives 88 link=topic=2226.msg20213#msg20213
       date=1452198750]
       τους
       Γερμανούς
       έτσι κι
       αλλιώς τους
       συμπαθούσε
       ο Λένιν. Τους
       αγγλογάλλο&#96
       5;ς
       δε γούσταρε.
       Το
       Τάνενμπεργ&#95
       4;
       παίζει να
       ήταν και
       μιλημένο,
       αφού οι
       Ρώσοι είχαν
       γερμανό
       διοικητή
       που λέγεται
       ότι τα
       τσέπωσε για
       να μην κάνει
       κίνηση.
       [/quote]
       Tannenberg was an inside job, German fuel can't melt Russian
       steel. :D :D :D
       #Post#: 20216--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
       9;υ Λούντεντο&
       #961;φ στον Λένι&#9
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       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 7, 2016, 3:40 pm
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       [quote author=Pepe the Frog link=topic=2226.msg20215#msg20215
       date=1452201328]
       Tannenberg was an inside job, German fuel can't melt Russian
       steel. :D :D :D
       [/quote]
       βασικά
       κοίτα πώς
       έγινε η φάση
       στο
       Τάνενμπεργ&#95
       4;.
       Μπουκάρουν
       οι Ρώσοι
       στην Αν.
       Πρωσία και
       πάει
       μπροστά η Β'
       στρατιά του
       Σαμσόνοφ κι
       από πίσω
       έρχεται η Α'
       στρατιά του
       Ρένενκαμπφ,
       και τη
       γενική
       διοίκηση
       την έχει ο
       Ρένενκαμπφ.
       Στις 27/8
       φτιάχνουν ο
       Χίντενμπου&#96
       1;γκ
       με τον
       Λούντεντορ&#96
       6;
       αμυντική
       λαβίδα και
       κάνουν πως
       υποχωρούν.
       Παρασύρετα&#95
       3;
       ο Σαμσόνοφ
       και τους
       ακολουθεί
       μέχρι το
       Τάνενμπεργ&#95
       4;.
       Στις 28/8
       αντεπιτίθε&#96
       4;αι
       ο
       Χίντενμπου&#96
       1;γκ
       από τις
       πλευρές στη
       στρατιά του
       Σαμσόνοφ.
       Κανονικά
       εκεί έπρεπε
       να επέμβει ο
       Ρένενκαμπφ
       για να σώσει
       τη δεξιά
       πλευρά του
       Σαμσόνοφ
       και να μην
       κυκλωθεί.
       Αλλά ο
       Ρένενκαμπφ
       δεν κάνει
       τίποτα και
       κάθεται στα
       αυγά του.
       Έτσι ο
       Σαμσόνοφ
       κυκλώνεται
       και η Β'
       στρατιά
       καταστρέφε&#96
       4;αι
       ολοκληρωτι&#95
       4;ά.
       Αν είχε
       επιτεθεί ο
       Ρένενκαμπφ
       την κρίσιμη
       στιγμή, θα
       είχε σώσει
       την Β'
       στρατιά από
       την κύκλωση
       και ο
       Χίντενμπου&#96
       1;γκ
       θα
       υποχωρούσε.
       Αλλά
       Γερμανός να
       σώσει
       Ρώσους από
       Γερμανούς
       δε γίνεται.
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       Re: Η επιρροή τ&#95
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       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 7, 2016, 4:37 pm
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       O Ρένενκαμπφ
       πάντως, αν
       και δεν
       έλεγε πολλά
       σαν
       κομαντάντε,
       είχε κι
       αυτός
       γαμάτο
       μουστάκι
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