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       #Post#: 20109--------------------------------------------------
       North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: Kim Long Dong Date: January 6, 2016, 3:16 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
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       Public housing in Pyongyang. How many American poor would be
       happy to live like that?
       As the plane – Russian-built Tupolev-204 – was taking off from
       Pyongyang Airport, I felt nothing, absolutely nothing. The
       morning fog was at first covering the runway, and then it began
       to lift. The engines roared. Right after the takeoff I could
       clearly distinguish green fields, neat villages and ribbons of
       ample and lazy rivers below the wing. It was undeniably a
       beautiful sight: melancholic, poetic, and truly dramatic. And
       yet I felt numb. I was feeling nothing, absolutely nothing.
       Overhead monitors were beaming endless images of one parade
       after another, of endless celebrations and bombastic concerts.
       The volume was up, women and men on the screen were singing
       enthusiastically, soldiers were marching; roaring jets and
       helicopters were penetrating the blue sky. The conductor was
       waving his hands. The standing crowd was applauding. Emotions
       were brought to an absolute extreme; watering the eyes of the
       people, and omnipresent pride on their faces.
       Suddenly I felt empty, scared of something.
       After seeing more than 150 countries, all over the world, after
       covering wars and conflicts, some of unimaginable intensity and
       brutality, I was suddenly longing for some rest, even for total
       silence.
       60 years ago North Korea won the war. But some 4 million people
       died many of them, civilians. Maybe it was more than 4 million,
       nobody knows exactly. The capital city Pyongyang was totally
       leveled to the ground. I did not want to hear loud music and
       long speeches. I wanted to pay tribute to those who lost their
       lives, by sitting quietly by the river covered by mist,
       listening to the tall grass. But during my 8 days in North
       Korea, I had very few moments of silence, almost no opportunity
       to reflect.
       What have I seen in those 8 days in DPRK – in North Korea? I saw
       an enormous futuristic city, Pyongyang, the capital, built from
       the ashes. I saw enormous theatres and stadiums, a metro system
       deep below the ground (public transportation doubling as nuclear
       shelter, in case the city came under attack). I saw trolley
       buses and double-decker buses, wide avenues, unimaginably ample
       sidewalks, roller-skating rinks and playgrounds for children.
       Statues and monuments were everywhere. The size of some
       boulevards and buildings were simply overwhelming. For more than
       a decade I lived in Manhattan, but this was very different
       grandeur. New York was growing towards the sky, while Pyongyang
       consisted of tremendous open spaces and massive eclectic
       buildings.
       Outside the capital I saw green fields, and farmers walking home
       deep in the countryside. Clearly, there was no malnutrition
       among children, and despite the embargo, everyone was decently
       dressed.
       I saw packed squares, with tens of thousands of people shouting
       slogans from the top of their lungs. I saw thousands of women in
       colorful traditional dresses waving their flags and ribbons,
       cheering when the command was given, welcoming us –
       international delegates. Marching next to me for peace, was a
       former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, and at my other side,
       the leader of one of the Indian Communist Parties. There were
       human rights lawyers from the United States and from all over
       the world, Turkish revolutionaries, and, for hard to understand
       reasons, several heads of the Ugandan military.
       Ramsey Clark Delegation, DPRK
       Ramsey Clark Delegation.
       But I did not come here to march. I came here to film and to
       photograph, to see the faces of local people, to read what was
       written on those faces, to feel, to sense, and to try to
       understand.
       Instead of loud cheers, I came to listen to the whispers, hoping
       to catch understated facial expressions, tiny signs of fear, of
       joy, of love and even of existentialist confusion.
       The West, its policy makers and mass media, succeeded in
       creating an image of a dehumanized North Korea. They did it by
       blurring the faces. For decades North Koreans were being
       portrayed as inhabitants of some monstrous hermit empire where
       men, women and children all look alike, dress the same, behave
       like robots, never smile and do not look into each other’s eyes.
       Before I came here, before I agreed to come, I explained to the
       organizers that I was not interested in all those elaborate
       fireworks and packed stadiums. I wanted to see a mom taking her
       child to school. I was longing to capture the faces of lovers at
       dusk, sitting side by side on some remote bench, whispering to
       each other those urgent words, those pledges that make life
       worth living; the same words, the same pledges, uttered all over
       the world.
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       South Korean kids on the street.
       Paradoxically, I was discouraged to do so. Instead I was asked
       to march. From a storyteller and a man who is used to document
       the world, I was converted into a delegate. And whenever the
       crowd spotted me, it cheered, and then I felt embarrassed, I was
       longing desperately to become invisible, or to at least find
       some hiding place. Not because I was doing something wrong, but
       simply because I was unaccustomed to such naked outbursts of
       enthusiasm directed at me.
       And so I marched, for peace and for the re-unification of the
       Korean nation. And while I marched, I kept filming and
       photographing. It must have looked awkward, I have to admit: a
       delegate who was filming a bunch of women who were dressed in
       their colorful traditional dresses, cheering him with their
       paper ribbons, and shouting at top of their lungs.
       I soon discovered that I was fighting for every glimpse of
       reality, of common life. Instead I had been fed with an
       extravaganza.
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       The border.
       I was taken to those stadiums with 100,000 people, where
       children change positions of their boards periodically, and the
       entire side of the tribune suddenly becomes like some colorful,
       living storyboard. I was witnessing huge events, with thousands
       of dancers, with fireworks and multiple bands.
       Yet what impressed me the most was an ancient and tiny stone
       bridge in Kaesong City, near the Demilitarized Zone. And the
       scene around the bridge: a tiny girl, perhaps three years old,
       her sock torn, crying, while her mother caressed her hair in the
       most tender, warmest way imaginable.
       My hosts, they did not seem to understand. I explained to them,
       again and again, but my words sounded too foreign to them.
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       Free and public housing.
       As far as they were concerned, I was just ‘some famous writer,
       filmmaker, and journalist’. They needed me to show great support
       for their revolution, and deep reverence for their suffering
       during the Western onslaught more than 60 years ago.
       Naturally I felt reverence and grief, but that was all that I
       was expected to feel. I felt much more.
       But I fell in love, instantly with the North Korean countryside,
       and the faces of North Korean farmers and city dwellers. These
       were pure faces, honest and expressive. What could I do? Love is
       subjective; it is irrational. The exaggerated greenery of the
       fields, children playing at the roadside, soldiers returning
       home to their villages for a short home-leave, women facing the
       sun at dusk: it was overwhelming; love at first sight, as I
       said.
       I was photographing through the windshield; I was annoying the
       organizers, demanding that they stop in the middle of the road.
       Then on July 26th I met, together with Ramsey Clark and few
       other delegates, Mr.Yang Hyong Sob, the Vice President of the
       Standing Committee of the Supreme People’s Committee. He looked
       like a very kind man, and I was given a chance to exchange some
       ideas with him. I explained that the best way to combat Western
       propaganda is to show to the world the faces of North Korean
       people.
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       The metro.
       “It is their common tactic”, I said. “They portray people of
       China, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, as
       heartless, as if they were some plastic androids. Then,
       subconsciously, compassion for the people of those nations
       vanishes from the hearts of the Western public. Suddenly it is
       fine to starve them, to bomb them, to murder thousands, even
       millions of those androids. But once the faces are shown, the
       Western public gets confused; many refuse to support mass
       murder.“
       The Vice-President nodded. He smiled at me. As we were leaving,
       he locked me in a bear hug, and said simply “Please come back!”
       But even after that meaningful exchange, I was still marching.
       And the simplest images were continuously out of my reach. “For
       this trip only, as we are celebrating the 60th Anniversary”, I
       was told. But I lived for now and now, I wanted to work.
       I saw the Demilitarized zone, DMZ, and the South Korean border
       post at Panmunjom. Twice in the past I had visited the same
       place, only from the opposite side. The DMZ is supposed to be
       the most fortified border in the world, as the two Koreas are
       still technically at war. The two armies are grudgingly facing
       each other, armed to the teeth, while the US forces are holed up
       somewhere underground on the southern side.
       Yet The DMZ is like some eye of the storm, sitting in between
       all those nukes, tanks and rocket launchers, quietly and
       pristinely. Rivers are lazily flowing, and farmers are growing
       ginseng, arguably the best in the world.
       I endured endless security measures, and at the end I was facing
       the empty South Korean visitor’s terrace. There were obviously
       expectations of some hostilities on both sides of the line, and
       no ‘ordinary’ visitors were allowed to travel here.
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       Occupation.
       It was all a big mess, and a never-ending drama. A divided
       nation; millions of deaths. I saw it all in the city of Sinchon.
       The tunnels where the US troops massacred thousands of civilians
       during the war, old veterans and survivors of the massacres
       spoke; recalling those gruesome events.
       In 1950, at the beginning of the war, the city of Sinch’ŏn
       was the site of a massacre of civilians by occupying U.S forces.
       The number of civilians killed over the 52-day period was
       allegedly over 35,000 people, the equivalent of a quarter of the
       city’s population at the time.
       It all looked chillingly familiar. I used to photograph the
       craters left behind after the carpet bombings of Cambodia, Laos
       and Vietnam. Brutality, brutality, brutality… Millions of
       faceless victims burned alive by napalm, ‘bomb-lets’ that
       explode decades later when children or water buffaloes are
       playing on the fields.
       Ramsey Clark spoke about the horrors of the past, and about the
       brutality of the US actions. An old man, one of the survivors of
       the mass killings of civilians in the tunnels, spoke about
       horrors he witnessed as a child. The artwork in the local museum
       depicted the brutal torture and rape of Korean women by US
       troops, their bodies mutilated; with nipples penetrated by metal
       hooks.
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       One of many Pyongyang theatres.
       In the West, the topic remains almost totally taboo. One of the
       greatest journalists of the 20th century, Wilfred Burchett, even
       lost his citizenship and became ‘an enemy of the Australian
       people’, partially because he dared to describe the suffering of
       the North Korean people, a few years after he had described the
       aftermath of Hiroshima bombing in his 1945 iconic report, “I
       Write This As a Warning To the World”.
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       Public pool.
       The brass band begins to play yet another military tune. I zoom
       on an old lady, her chest decorated with medals. As I get ready
       to press the shutter, two large tears begin rolling down her
       cheeks. And suddenly I realize that I cannot photograph her. I
       really cannot. Her face is all wrinkled, and yet it is both
       youthful and endlessly tender. Here is my face, I think, the
       face I was looking for all those days. And yet I cannot even
       press the shutter of my Leica.
       Then something squeezes my throat and I have to search in my
       equipment bag for some tissue, as my glasses get foggy, and for
       a short time I cannot see anything at all. I sob loudly, just
       once. Nobody can hear, because of the loud playing of the band.
       Later I get closer to her, and I bow, and she reciprocated. We
       make our separate peace in the middle of the boiling-hot main
       square. I am suddenly happy to be here. We have both lost
       something. She lost more. I was certain she lost at least half
       of her loved-ones in the carnage of those bygone years. I lost
       something too: I lost all respect and belonging, to the culture
       that is still ruling the world; the culture that was once mine,
       but a culture that is still robbing people of their faces, and
       then burns their bodies with napalm and flames.
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       One of survivors of Sinchon massacre.
       It is the 60th Anniversary of Victory Day in the DPRK. An
       anniversary marked by tears, grey hair, tremendous fireworks,
       parades, and by the memories of fire.
       That evening, after returning to the capital, I finally made it
       to the river. It was covered by a gentle but impenetrable fog.
       There were two lovers sitting by the shore, motionless, in
       silent embrace. The woman’s hair was gently falling on her
       lover’s shoulder. He was holding her hand, reverently. I was
       going to lift my big professional camera, but then I stopped,
       abruptly, all of a sudden too afraid that what my eyes were
       seeing or my brain imagining, would not be reflected in the
       viewfinder.
       #Post#: 20116--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: Αρχιφα
       σίστας Dat
       e: January 6, 2016, 3:43 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       ΚΟΡΕΑ ΡΕ
       ΜΟΥΝΙΑ!
       #Post#: 20129--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: mistermax Date: January 6, 2016, 4:41 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       H B Κορεα
       ειναι ενα
       φασιστικο
       κολαστήριο,
       ενδεικτικα
       δεν
       υπαρχουν
       Αναρχικες
       ομαδες εκει.
       Ο λαος εκει
       δεν
       χαιρεται
       την
       ελευθερια,
       ζει μεσα
       στην πεινα,
       την
       εξαθλιωση,
       την
       ανελευθερι&#94
       5;,
       την
       λογοκρισια,
       την
       υποκρισία.
       #Post#: 20131--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 6, 2016, 4:44 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=mistermax link=topic=2222.msg20129#msg20129
       date=1452120109]
       ενδεικτικα
       δεν
       υπαρχουν
       Αναρχικες
       ομαδες εκει.
       [/quote]
       ε κακό είναι
       αυτό;
       με το ίδιο
       σκεπτικό η
       Ελλάδα
       είναι το πιο
       παραδεισέν&#95
       3;ο
       μέρος στον
       κόσμο
       επειδή έχει
       πολλούς
       αναρχικούς.
       Κοίτα
       πρεμούρα
       όμως ο
       Γρηγοράκης
       να
       υπερασπιστ&#94
       9;ί
       την επίσημη
       άποψη της
       Δύσης για
       την Β.Κ.
       Πληρώνει
       καλά η USAid
       ακόμα ε;
       #Post#: 20133--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: mistermax Date: January 6, 2016, 4:54 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=Long Knives 88 link=topic=2222.msg20131#msg20131
       date=1452120285]
       ε κακό είναι
       αυτό;
       με το ίδιο
       σκεπτικό η
       Ελλάδα
       είναι το πιο
       παραδεισέν&#95
       3;ο
       μέρος στον
       κόσμο
       επειδή έχει
       πολλούς
       αναρχικούς.
       Κοίτα
       πρεμούρα
       όμως ο
       Γρηγοράκης
       να
       υπερασπιστ&#94
       9;ί
       την επίσημη
       άποψη της
       Δύσης για
       την Β.Κ.
       Πληρώνει
       καλά η USAid
       ακόμα ε;
       [/quote]
       Επίσιμη ή
       οχι, εινια η
       ορθη αποψη
       και αυτο
       εχει
       σημασια.
       Ποιο το
       επιπεδο
       ελευθεριας
       του κοσμου
       εκει περα ή
       δεν σε
       απασχολεί
       εσενα αυτό ε;
       δειχνει πως
       ο
       σοσιαλισμο&#96
       2;
       σου ειναι
       ουσιαστικα
       σκλαβια και
       δυστυχια
       του ιδιου
       σου του λαου.
       #Post#: 20135--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 6, 2016, 5:26 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=mistermax link=topic=2222.msg20133#msg20133
       date=1452120850]
       Επίσιμη ή
       οχι, εινια η
       ορθη αποψη
       και αυτο
       εχει
       σημασια.
       Ποιο το
       επιπεδο
       ελευθεριας
       του κοσμου
       εκει περα ή
       δεν σε
       απασχολεί
       εσενα αυτό ε;
       δειχνει πως
       ο
       σοσιαλισμο&#96
       2;
       σου ειναι
       ουσιαστικα
       σκλαβια και
       δυστυχια
       του ιδιου
       σου του λαου.
       [/quote]
       ελευθερία
       να κλέβουν
       το κράτος
       για να
       φτιάχνουν
       "αγορές", όχι,
       τέτοια
       ελευθερία
       δεν έχουν,
       και δεν τη
       χρειάζοντα&#95
       3;.
       Ελευθερία
       να τρώνε, να
       μετακινούν&#96
       4;αι,
       να
       νοσηλεύοντ&#94
       5;ι,
       να
       μορφώνοντα&#95
       3;,
       έχουν. Την
       ελευθερία
       όμως των
       ΜακΝτόναλν&#96
       4;ς
       και της
       Κοκακόλα,
       είναι
       περήφανοι
       κι
       ευτυχισμέν&#95
       9;ι
       που δεν την
       έχουν και
       δεν την
       είχαν ποτέ.
       #Post#: 20137--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: mistermax Date: January 6, 2016, 5:31 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=Long Knives 88 link=topic=2222.msg20135#msg20135
       date=1452122796]
       ελευθερία
       να κλέβουν
       το κράτος
       για να
       φτιάχνουν
       "αγορές", όχι,
       τέτοια
       ελευθερία
       δεν έχουν,
       και δεν τη
       χρειάζοντα&#95
       3;.
       Ελευθερία
       να τρώνε, να
       μετακινούν&#96
       4;αι,
       να
       νοσηλεύοντ&#94
       5;ι,
       να
       μορφώνοντα&#95
       3;,
       έχουν. Την
       ελευθερία
       όμως των
       ΜακΝτόναλν&#96
       4;ς
       και της
       Κοκακόλα,
       είναι
       περήφανοι
       κι
       ευτυχισμέν&#95
       9;ι
       που δεν την
       έχουν και
       δεν την
       είχαν ποτέ.
       [/quote]
       να τα
       παρουμε ενα
       ενα,
       ελευθερια
       να πουν την
       άποψη τους
       εχουνε;
       είναι
       σημαντικό
       να την
       εχουνε;
       #Post#: 20142--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 6, 2016, 5:46 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=mistermax link=topic=2222.msg20137#msg20137
       date=1452123119]
       να τα
       παρουμε ενα
       ενα,
       ελευθερια
       να πουν την
       άποψη τους
       εχουνε;
       είναι
       σημαντικό
       να την
       εχουνε;
       [/quote]
       κοίτα, αν
       τους
       συγκρίνω με,
       πχ, την
       Ινδονησία,
       που από το 1965
       και μετά οι
       κάτοικοί
       της έχουν
       "ελευθερία
       λόγου" να
       ψηφίζουν
       τον ένα
       μακελάρη
       στρατηγό ή
       τον άλλο
       διεφθαρμέν&#95
       9;
       πολυεκατομ&#95
       6;υριούχο,
       κι αυτή τη
       στιγμή
       είναι
       πραγματικά
       χαζοί που
       δεν έχουν
       ούτε ένα
       θέατρο αλλά
       είναι τίγκα
       στα
       ΜακΝτόναλν&#96
       4;ς
       στη
       Τζακάρτα,
       και η
       Αμερική
       παρουσιάζε&#95
       3;
       την
       Ινδονησία
       σαν
       "διαμάντι
       δημοκρατία&#96
       2;",
       ομολογώ ότι
       η Β.Κ. τέτοια
       πράματα δεν
       έχει. Αλλά
       θεωρώ τους
       κατοίκους
       της Β.Κ. πολύ
       πιο
       σκεπτόμενο&#96
       5;ς
       από το
       Μαλαισιανό
       και τον
       Ινδονήσιο
       που θα κάνει
       ουρές στο
       βιντεοκλάμ&#96
       0;
       για να πάρει
       το νέο PS4.
       Η γνώμη μου
       για την
       ελευθερία
       της σκέψης,
       είναι ότι
       υπάρχει
       σκέψη
       θετική και
       σκέψη
       αρνητική.
       Θεωρώ ότι αν
       επιβάλλεις,
       έστω και με
       το ζόρι, μόνο
       τη θετική
       σκέψη, έχεις
       πετύχει την
       πραγματική
       ελευθερία
       σκέψης για
       το λαό σου. Αν
       πάλι, τα
       αφήσεις όλα
       ξέφραγο
       αμπέλι,
       έχεις μεν
       την
       "ελευθερία
       σκέψης" που
       θέλει ο
       σύγχρονος
       καπιταλισμ&#97
       2;ς,
       αλλά
       ουσιαστικά
       η "ελευθερία"
       αυτή είναι
       ελευθερία
       στο
       ξεμυάλισμα
       και το
       χάζεμα των
       κατοίκων
       σου, όπως των
       αμερικάνων.
       Οπότε για
       μένα, ναι, η
       Β.Κ. έχει
       πραγματική
       ελευθερία
       σκέψης και
       λόγου.
       #Post#: 20145--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: mistermax Date: January 6, 2016, 5:55 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=Long Knives 88 link=topic=2222.msg20142#msg20142
       date=1452124011]
       Οπότε για
       μένα, ναι, η
       Β.Κ. έχει
       πραγματική
       ελευθερία
       σκέψης και
       λόγου.
       [/quote]
       κανονικα θα
       ηταν....nuff said.
       Ομως ας
       σχολιασουμ&#94
       9;
       και τις
       λοιπες
       πιπες που
       πεταξες.
       [quote]
       κοίτα, αν
       τους
       συγκρίνω με,
       πχ, την
       Ινδονησία, [/quote]
       Δεν σου
       ζητηθηκε να
       συγκρινεις,
       σου
       ζητηθηκε να
       πεις αν
       εχουν
       ελευθερια
       λογου
       [quote]που από το 1965
       και μετά οι
       κάτοικοί
       της έχουν
       "ελευθερία
       λόγου" να
       ψηφίζουν
       τον ένα
       μακελάρη
       στρατηγό ή
       τον άλλο
       διεφθαρμέν&#95
       9;
       πολυεκατομ&#95
       6;υριούχο[/quote]
       Ελευθερια
       λογου δεν
       εχει σχεση
       με την ψηφο
       αλλά με το αν
       σχολιαζουν
       ελευθερα
       τους
       υποψηφιους.
       [quote] Αλλά θεωρώ
       τους
       κατοίκους
       της Β.Κ. πολύ
       πιο
       σκεπτόμενο&#96
       5;ς
       από το
       Μαλαισιανό
       και τον
       Ινδονήσιο
       που θα κάνει
       ουρές στο
       βιντεοκλάμ&#96
       0;
       για να πάρει
       το νέο PS4.
       [/quote]
       Απο που και
       ως που ειναι
       σκεπτόμενο&#95
       3;;
       Εγω
       ρομποτάκια
       βλέπω,
       μαριονεττε&#96
       2;
       του
       καθεστώτος.
       Εσυ πως και
       εχεις αλλη
       ιδεα;
       [quote]Η γνώμη μου
       για την
       ελευθερία
       της σκέψης,
       είναι ότι
       υπάρχει
       σκέψη
       θετική και
       σκέψη
       αρνητική.
       [/quote]
       ξεκινησες
       τα χοκους
       ποκους
       τωρα.....
       [quote]Θεωρώ ότι
       αν
       επιβάλλεις,
       έστω και με
       το ζόρι, μόνο
       τη θετική
       σκέψη, έχεις
       πετύχει την
       πραγματική
       ελευθερία
       σκέψης για
       το λαό σου. Αν
       πάλι, τα
       αφήσεις όλα
       ξέφραγο
       αμπέλι,
       έχεις μεν
       την
       "ελευθερία
       σκέψης" που
       θέλει ο
       σύγχρονος
       καπιταλισμ&#97
       2;ς,
       αλλά
       ουσιαστικά
       η "ελευθερία"
       αυτή είναι
       ελευθερία
       στο
       ξεμυάλισμα
       και το
       χάζεμα των
       κατοίκων
       σου, όπως των
       αμερικάνων.
       [/quote]
       Θετικη
       Ελευθερια
       σκεψης με το
       ζορι. Ο
       Οργουελ
       ζητα
       συγνωμη που
       δεν το
       σκέφτηκε.
       #Post#: 20151--------------------------------------------------
       Re: North Korea is the Best Korea
       By: Long Knives 88 Date: January 6, 2016, 8:11 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=mistermax link=topic=2222.msg20145#msg20145
       date=1452124501]
       κανονικα θα
       ηταν....nuff said.
       Ομως ας
       σχολιασουμ&#94
       9;
       και τις
       λοιπες
       πιπες που
       πεταξες.
       Δεν σου
       ζητηθηκε να
       συγκρινεις,
       σου
       ζητηθηκε να
       πεις αν
       εχουν
       ελευθερια
       λογου
       Ελευθερια
       λογου δεν
       εχει σχεση
       με την ψηφο
       αλλά με το αν
       σχολιαζουν
       ελευθερα
       τους
       υποψηφιους.
       
       Απο που και
       ως που ειναι
       σκεπτόμενο&#95
       3;;
       Εγω
       ρομποτάκια
       βλέπω,
       μαριονεττε&#96
       2;
       του
       καθεστώτος.
       Εσυ πως και
       εχεις αλλη
       ιδεα;
       ξεκινησες
       τα χοκους
       ποκους
       τωρα.....
       Θετικη
       Ελευθερια
       σκεψης με το
       ζορι. Ο
       Οργουελ
       ζητα
       συγνωμη που
       δεν το
       σκέφτηκε.
       [/quote]
       πρώτον, δε σε
       έβρισα,
       κύπριε
       πράκτορα
       της USAid, και δε
       σου
       επιτρέπω να
       με βρίζεις,
       μωρή
       αγγλογαμημ&#94
       1;νη
       πόρνη του
       παρακράτου&#96
       2;.
       Επειδή δεν
       έχεις
       διαβάσει
       πραγματικά
       τίποτα
       σχετικά με
       τις χώρες
       της
       Ανατολικής
       Ασίας,
       Βόρεια και
       Νότια Κορέα,
       Κίνα,
       Βιετνάμ,
       Μαλαισία,
       Ινδονησία,
       Φιλιππίνες,
       και απλά
       τσαμπουνάς
       ό,τι σου λέει
       η Χίλαρι,
       προτιμάς να
       μου κάνεις
       προσωπική
       επίθεση.
       Η σύγκριση,
       που "δε μου
       ζητήθηκε"
       κιόλας,
       έγινε για να
       σου
       καταδείξω
       τις
       επιπτώσεις
       της δυτικής
       "ελευθερίας
       λόγου" στην
       Ανατολική
       Ασία. Σε όλες
       αυτές τις
       χώρες εκτός
       από τη Β.Κ., οι
       άνθρωποι
       είναι
       δούλοι και
       στη σκέψη
       και στην
       πράξη. Η
       ελευθερία
       λόγου των
       Νοτιοκορεα&#96
       4;ών
       είναι η
       ελευθερία
       να
       αποφασίζου&#95
       7;
       ανάμεσα στο
       iphone και στο blackberry.
       Και για να
       μιλήσουμε
       σοβαρά,
       επειδή στην
       αμερικανοκ&#96
       1;ατούμενη
       Ανατολική
       Ασία
       πεθαίνουν
       εκατομμύρι&#94
       5;
       άνθρωποι
       επειδή
       ιδιωτικοπο&#95
       3;ούνται
       όλα τα
       νοσοκομεία,
       κι επειδή η
       ιστορική
       εμπειρία
       έχει δείξει
       ότι η δυτική
       "ελευθερία"
       του Βαλέσα
       και του
       Γέλτσιν
       έφερε
       εκατοντάδε&#96
       2;
       χιλιάδες
       ανέργων,
       πεινασμένω&#95
       7;
       και αστέγων,
       είναι όχι
       απλά
       υποκρισία,
       αλλά
       εγκληματικ&#94
       2;
       αφέλεια να
       μιλάς για
       ελευθερία
       λόγου, όταν
       ξέρουμε ότι
       σε
       περίπτωση
       που ο
       καπιταλισμ&#97
       2;ς
       κυριεύσει
       τη Β.Κ., όλοι
       αυτοί που
       σήμερα τους
       στερείται
       μόνο η
       "ελευθερία
       λόγου", τότε
       θα τους
       στερηθεί η
       ελευθερία
       στην υγεία
       και στην
       ίδια τη ζωή.
       Αν είναι να
       καταντήσου&#95
       6;ε
       σαν τους
       αναρχικούς
       της
       Βενεζουέλα&#96
       2;,
       που από το
       ροζ
       συννεφάκι
       τους και
       αποκομμένο&#95
       3;
       από το λαό
       και τους
       εργάτες,
       λέγανε καλό
       ψόφο στον
       Τσάβες και
       κρατούσαν
       "ίσες
       αποστάσεις",
       κλάφτα
       Χαράλαμπε.
       Κάποια
       πράγματα,
       όπως το
       γαμημένο
       φαΐ, η
       γαμημένη
       δουλειά κι η
       γαμημένη
       ιατρική
       περίθαλψη,
       είναι ΠΟΛΥ
       ΠΙΟ
       ΣΗΜΑΝΤΙΚΑ
       από την
       "ελευθερία
       λόγου" και
       λοιπές
       παπαριές.
       Κατάλαβες
       αλλοτριωμέ&#95
       7;ε
       κάτοικε του
       πρώτου
       κόσμου που
       θα κρίνεις
       και τους
       Βορειοκορε&#94
       0;τες;
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