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       NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Grike
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:09 pm
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       der now talk
       #Post#: 289--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: SantaDog
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:13 pm
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       Copyright SantaDog© says un-legit is un-legit.
       I mean, we were behind the rock, we never had guns out. I was
       the only one leaving the rock and coming into view of you, and I
       had no guns!
       And plus, the woman could've been injured, and we were taking
       her to paradise to save her, or a base in that direction, or the
       gas station. Who knows? You didn't have audio on us. Or x-ray to
       see behind the rocks.
       I mean, come on! ©_©
       #Post#: 293--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Birf
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:20 pm
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       Alright then. First off we (Renegade, Santa, Grike and me)
       formed a little group of criminals, because we thought the
       wasteland might need some danger. To 'test' our concept, we
       encountered Pixie's character and wanted to take her to
       Paradise. Grike knocked her out, while we others noticed a NCR
       patrol near the windmill. We took her to Paradise (that's what
       you call the 'lolrun'), but the NCR on the hill didn't move
       either. I don't see why this should be a 'lolrun'.
       When we were at Paradise, we noticed Ranger snipers on the
       hills, while Grike and Renegade were roleplaying with our
       victim, Pixie. Suddenly, Sai tells us he's shooting at us with
       his sniper rifle in LOOC. When he starts shooting more
       rapidately, we move into cover. By that point, a large troop
       comes from the direction of the crater, going apeshit, emptying
       their magazines on our cover etc. etc..
       Then, an /event stated someone of us gets shot and dies. I
       really don't have to tell you how fucked up the combat was, you
       all know that, what I want to know is...
       THE REASON
       ... for the goddamn attack.
       I know the NCR planned on attacking Paradise, but we all know
       the attack was officially cancelled by the Major.
       Just give us the reason: Why did you attack Paradise right then
       when we played our new characters? It seems like the NCR just
       sits in the bunker, until people with strange nicknames show up
       on the scoreboard (no offense).
       It's true that combat RP always comes with a huge OOC war for
       us, but it hasn't to be like that. I'm just hoping you're more
       reasonable here than in OOC.
       #Post#: 295--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Altairp
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:24 pm
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       Thompkins finally grew some balls and decided to wipe out
       Paradise from Earth, is that a crime?
       #Post#: 296--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Grike
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:25 pm
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       Right when we played our new characters?
       #Post#: 297--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Victoreno
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:27 pm
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       It was called 'lolrun' because you neither properly roleplayed
       it (which is still legitimate) but you also ignored the NCR's
       seeing you and simply ran off without giving them a chance to do
       an action.
       The whole Paradise-attack thingy was cancelled for mere OOC
       reasons and actually completely voided, ICly, the NCR of course
       would try to get rid of Paradise. By running there, you just
       triggered it sooner.
       #Post#: 298--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Grike
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:29 pm
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       The NCR didnt move when we got to paradise. As we do our /me's
       in Paradise, we simply got shot by snipers. You should have told
       us you were doing an action. We were alredy there when Luis
       OOC'd LOLSNIPETHEM
       #Post#: 299--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Altairp
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:30 pm
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       It was a joke of course, I heard "They are lolrunning" and I
       answered "then lolsnipethem"
       Now, don't crawl on mirrors trying to get a good excuse to void
       this attack.
       #Post#: 300--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Grike
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:31 pm
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       And this was when we had alredy reached Paradise.
       #Post#: 301--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCR - Paradise ATTACK DISCUSSION
   DIR By: Birf
       Date: April 18, 2013, 3:38 pm
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       About the voiding: I think we're all okay with that and the NCR
       has its right to try to get rid of the raider town.
       But we have to talk about combat RP on the server and we have to
       figure out how to manage bigger battles without OOC or LOOC
       conflicts.
       I'd suggest we make rules for that. For huge battles I would
       actually suggest something like S2K, because you just cannot
       handle it with RP. It'd be a wall of text.
       Also, the ~20 ingame raiders in Paradise were ignored, but the
       NCR relied on their 'IC snipers/rangers' that cover them,
       forcing me to retreat while flanking the soldiers.
       If anyone has suggestions on that (the combat system in
       general), please share them.
       Another topic we have to talk about is the OPs. I don't blame
       anyone, I think you're all dedicated and you do a great part to
       the community.
       But damn it, you're picking sides.
       Just because you're part of a faction, it doesn't mean you have
       to support the faction at all cost, and above all: Not OOCly or
       with your OP rights.
       
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