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       #Post#: 223--------------------------------------------------
       Andrea and Dale
       By: Rapscallion Date: February 10, 2016, 4:38 pm
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       If you have any thoughts about Andrea and Dale's relationship,
       share them here.
       #Post#: 225--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Andrea and Dale
       By: Ickray_Imesgray Date: February 10, 2016, 5:47 pm
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       Andrea and Dale had a good relationship for the most part and it
       was obvious they cared a lot for each other despite not always
       seeing eye to eye on everything. I know things got ugly between
       them when Andrea made the decision to kill herself and Dale said
       he'd go with her.
       His whole "You can't just come into someone's life, make them
       care and just check out" speech really solidified just how much
       Dale did care, and to be willing to die right there with her.
       And while it was a strong and moving moment, later on we see
       that Andrea is bitter over not being able to die the way she
       wanted to.
       She told Dale that he robbed her of a painless death for his own
       selfish reasons.
       Do you think Dale was being selfish?
       #Post#: 226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Andrea and Dale
       By: Rapscallion Date: February 10, 2016, 7:35 pm
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       [quote author=Ickray_Imesgray link=topic=70.msg225#msg225
       date=1455148029]
       Do you think Dale was being selfish (with Andrea)?
       [/quote]
       I think Dale saw in Andrea and Amy (who didn't last long) the
       children he and his wife never had.  I think Dale was
       overprotective, but he cared, and when Andrea snapped at him
       (which happened often) he was hurt by it.
       I think Dale was right that people can't just walk into
       someone's life, make them care, and then check out; suicides
       leave families and friends suffering for many years, sometimes
       their whole lives.  I also wonder if Andrea was sincere when she
       said the only reason she left the CDC was to save Dale's life,
       or did she just say that to hurt him.
       #Post#: 227--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Andrea and Dale
       By: Ickray_Imesgray Date: February 11, 2016, 1:08 am
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       [quote author=Rapscallion link=topic=70.msg226#msg226
       date=1455154556]
       [quote author=Ickray_Imesgray link=topic=70.msg225#msg225
       date=1455148029]
       Do you think Dale was being selfish (with Andrea)?
       [/quote]
       I think Dale saw in Andrea and Amy (who didn't last long) the
       children he and his wife never had.  I think Dale was
       overprotective, but he cared, and when Andrea snapped at him
       (which happened often) he was hurt by it.
       I think Dale was right that people can't just walk into
       someone's life, make them care, and then check out; suicides
       leave families and friends suffering for many years, sometimes
       their whole lives.  I also wonder if Andrea was sincere when she
       said the only reason she left the CDC was to save Dale's life,
       or did she just say that to hurt him.
       [/quote]
       I think she said it to hurt him because deep down she wasn't
       ready to die either.
       #Post#: 230--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Andrea and Dale
       By: Rapscallion Date: February 11, 2016, 5:25 pm
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       It's noteworthy that for all their disagreements, Andrea was the
       one group member who agreed with Dale that Randall's life should
       be spared.  One could argue that Andrea's insistence on avoiding
       bloodshed between survivors began right there.
       #Post#: 232--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Andrea and Dale
       By: Ickray_Imesgray Date: February 11, 2016, 8:35 pm
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       [quote author=Rapscallion link=topic=70.msg230#msg230
       date=1455233108]
       It's noteworthy that for all their disagreements, Andrea was the
       one group member who agreed with Dale that Randall's life should
       be spared.  One could argue that Andrea's insistence on avoiding
       bloodshed between survivors began right there.
       [/quote]
       I think so too, but I wonder if both of them had lived, would
       they still feel the same about people? Like for example had Dale
       lived and gotten the tainted meat death, would Dale want Rick,
       Andrea, and the others to spare the termite's life?
       #Post#: 234--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Andrea and Dale
       By: Rapscallion Date: February 11, 2016, 8:57 pm
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       [quote author=Ickray_Imesgray link=topic=70.msg232#msg232
       date=1455244537]
       I think so too, but I wonder if both of them had lived, would
       they still feel the same about people? Like for example had Dale
       lived and gotten the tainted meat death, would Dale want Rick,
       Andrea, and the others to spare the termite's life?
       [/quote]
       There's no way Dale could survive long term; he was too rooted
       in the old world.
       Andrea was attracted to the Governor, but the potential of what
       Woodbury could be was what really blinded her to her situation.
       She stayed long as she did because she wanted the town, its
       people, and her old group, to coexist.
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