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       #Post#: 1255--------------------------------------------------
       Where's Karen and David?
       By: Rapscallion Date: January 1, 2017, 12:35 pm
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       One of this episode's weak points is that a dying Tyreese
       hallucinates about the people he's known and lost in the
       apocalypse: Lizzie and Mika, Bob, Martin, and the Governor.  But
       where's Karen and David?
       In season the season 4 episode "Isolation," an enraged Tyreese
       demanded that Rick find who killed Karen and David and bring
       them to him.  In "Isolation" Carol admitted to Rick that she was
       the killer.  In "Indifference" Rick banished Carol to protect
       her from Tyreese (he actually wanted to protect his children
       from her), and in "The Grove," Carol admitted to Tyreese she
       killed Karen and David, but he forgave her.
       So with all that built up drama, why didn't Tyreese see Karen
       and David?
       I know Chad Coleman said they couldn't bring back the actress
       who played Karen, but AMC should've brought both actors back for
       closure, or Gimple should've rewritten this episode entirely.
       #Post#: 1256--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Where's Karen and David?
       By: Ickray_Imesgray Date: January 1, 2017, 2:07 pm
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       [quote author=Rapscallion link=topic=301.msg1255#msg1255
       date=1483295725]
       One of this episode's weak points is that a dying Tyreese
       hallucinates about the people he's known and lost in the
       apocalypse: Lizzie and Mika, Bob, Martin, and the Governor.  But
       where's Karen and David?
       In season the season 4 episode "Isolation," an enraged Tyreese
       demanded that Rick find who killed Karen and David and bring
       them to him.  In "Isolation" Carol admitted to Rick that she was
       the killer.  In "Indifference" Rick banished Carol to protect
       her from Tyreese (he actually wanted to protect his children
       from her), and in "The Grove," Carol admitted to Tyreese she
       killed Karen and David, but he forgave her.
       So with all that built up drama, why didn't Tyreese see Karen
       and David?
       I know Chad Coleman said they couldn't bring back the actress
       who played Karen, but AMC should've brought both actors back for
       closure, or Gimple should've rewritten this episode entirely.
       [/quote]
       I think it's because Tyreese had already gotten closure for her
       death when Carol finally admitted it to him. So any guilt he
       felt was taken off his shoulders then unlike the girls, Martin,
       and Bob.
       I think he was seeing those he felt personally responsible for
       tbh. The Governor as well, he probably feels hes to blame for
       him going after Andrea.
       But overall I hated that episode. Tyreese got a stupid death and
       we had to see and hear from Beth again.
       #Post#: 1257--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Where's Karen and David?
       By: Rapscallion Date: January 1, 2017, 3:03 pm
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       Thanks, Ricky.
       You have a good point that Tyreese may have found closure over
       Karen's death by forgiving Carol.  From a dramatic standpoint we
       had all this buildup over Tyreese's anger and grief over Karen's
       death (not so much David), and while he forgave Carol, he never
       hallucinated that Karen and David visited him and said they
       couldn't be saved and what Carol did was drastic, but it was
       also the right thing.
       I also hated this episode.  The fifth season was the beginning
       of The Walking Dead's decline story wise.
       #Post#: 1258--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Where's Karen and David?
       By: Ickray_Imesgray Date: January 2, 2017, 11:06 am
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       [quote author=Rapscallion link=topic=301.msg1257#msg1257
       date=1483304589]
       Thanks, Ricky.
       You have a good point that Tyreese may have found closure over
       Karen's death by forgiving Carol.  From a dramatic standpoint we
       had all this buildup over Tyreese's anger and grief over Karen's
       death (not so much David), and while he forgave Carol, he never
       hallucinated that Karen and David visited him and said they
       couldn't be saved and what Carol did was drastic, but it was
       also the right thing.
       I also hated this episode.  The fifth season was the beginning
       of The Walking Dead's decline story wise.
       [/quote]
       It really was and here we are in Season 7 and Carol is still
       going through depression.
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