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#Post#: 731--------------------------------------------------
Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: moedeb27 Date: June 24, 2017, 11:12 am
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Auto Miners on depleted resources:
As the game currently allows unlimited mining of a resource even
once it is depleted, Venatus see's this as unfair on newer
players who do not have the same ability to make use of this
exploit.
Therefore all players who have Auto Miners on resources that
have been depleted must remove all their Auto Miners from that
resource or Admins will delete them and no refunds /
compensation will be offered.
This rule is only for PvE areas.
This has been added to the server rules as rule 9 and will come
into affect as of 4pm NSW time, Sunday 25 June 2017.
#Post#: 740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: TkHammer Date: June 26, 2017, 4:51 am
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While I agree this is something the developers need to address
as it is unfair I dont see how deleting peoples AMs fixes
anything. I put an AM down on a mine that was later mined out
(most likely by people who do not live in the system) I now have
to remove my AMs and now have no source of AM mining making them
some what useless.
I appreciate all the work the admins put into the server, and
understand the task of keeping people happy hence the new rules,
just frustrated as it will now take much longer for me to get
the ships I once had without AMs.
#Post#: 741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: Andy Date: June 26, 2017, 6:04 am
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At the moment, I do not like the way autominers operate. I think
that the return you get should be scaled to the percentage of
ore left in the deposit. At 100% the AM should get the full
return, however as players mine the deposits out, the return
goes down. Once the return gets low enough a player will choose
to take their AM to another deposit, fair for everyone.
One thing it will do, which I am happy about, is start to
persuade people to drop their AMs onto PvP planets. For normal
ores, resource deposits on PvP planets are less likely to be
mined out as people will opt for the easy option and mine them
on PvE planets.
There is no perfect solution here, thanks to some bad
implementation of them. We're just trying to make it a little
more "reasonable". You should not be able to extract ore from a
hole in the ground where there is no ore to extract.
Andy.
#Post#: 742--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: Geoff1357 Date: June 26, 2017, 3:05 pm
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Hi Gents,
I feel that this new rule may encourage PvP / resource wars
which could make things a bit more interesting. However, once a
day I head around and collect my AM's. If the node has been
mined in between collections I will pick up my AM's no problem.
What concerns me is that the admins might come along in between,
see them and destroy them and I lose both the AM itself and its
ores.
Do you think there is a way that you could drop a core and a
couple of base blocks, then remove the core so as not to fill
the playfield, and use this as an eviction notice (24hr or so).
That way people who have just placed AM's and forgotten / don't
play anymore can have theirs cleared away and those of us that
do frequent our AM's can collect them safely from the depleted
nodes.
I know this might be extra work for an already very busy admin
team, but at least the eviction notice blocks will despawn in a
couple of days without a core in them.
If not C'Est la Vie.
Thanks,
Geoff
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Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: Terry Date: June 26, 2017, 4:56 pm
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Hi guys,
I agree that there should not be infinite resources once the
node is depleted. Is there any way you can change the resource
type the AM is drawing to be stone instead of the ore if you
find an AM on a depleted site? Remove the fuel supply? Or some
other way to stop it functioning rather than deleting the AM.
After this new rule was announced the other day, there was a
discussion in-game by a number of people who discussed a
'gentlemen's agreement' that people shouldn't mine out deposits
with AMs present, and a 15-20% base would be a good margin. I
realise this does not constitute a rule, and people are free to
do what they want. I also realise that there will be times when
someone is desperate for a resource and will need to mine from
the only deposit they can find, etc, etc....
Unfortunately, one downside to being one of the biggest and best
Empyrion servers, is that we are attracting more and more
aggressive and less friendly players. I acknowledge that for
some players, there is nothing more enjoyable that annoying the
hell out of other people, they seem to get some perverted sense
of accomplishment knowing that they have ruined someone's day.
I have never been able to understand how anyone could find this
enjoyable, and probably never will. I have been a victim of
this mentality many, many times, both in RL and in various
games. Personally, I get more enjoyment out of helping people
out, than I ever could from knocking them down. I get a sense
of achievement from creating and building something great,
rather than destroying or stuffing up, something that someone
has put a lot of time and effort into. Call me a carebear if
you want, it won't be the first time, and I take it as a
compliment, not an insult.
This new rule has given these people a brand new way to screw
people around, getting their AMs deleted.
Since this rule came in, I have actually watched someone fly
around and deliberately mine out nodes under people's AMs just
in the hopes of having the AM deleted. There were larger
deposits of the same ore, about 500-600m away with no AM, but
they chose to mine out the one with the AM on it, and never
touched the other. This person went through and mined out 4
deposits in a row, out of about 15-20 in the area, and they ONLY
took out the ones with AMs, nothing else. There is no doubt in
my mind that this was deliberately done to cost people their
AMs. Luckily, I saw it happeneing, and went and collected the 2
AMs that were mine. I don't know if the owner/s of the others
got them in before loosing them.
Like others, I try to do a fly around every day to check my AMs,
but am concerned hat there will be instances where, 5 minutes
after I check, someone will deplete the deposit, and an hour
later an Admin will spot it and delete the AM. There are alos
days where RL intervenes and I can't get on for a day or so. We
really need a way to disable the AM, but still leave it to be
collected by the owner on their next rounds, or return it rather
than deleting it.
I will be straight up about it, I'm not into PVP. I'm a
builder, not a destroyer. This play style comes with it's own
challenges. I don't go to the PVP worlds, so can't mine Erest
or Zasc, so I have to raid or trade for it. When Venatus was
smaller, I could hop on in the wee hours when noone else was on,
and do a quick in-and-out to grab some without being spotted,
but we have a lot more players now and this is no longer
possible. The concept of destroying someone else's work just so
that I can get what I want does not work for me.
I know there is a big push to promote PVP and that many people
enjoy it, it's just not everyone's cup of tea. If you like/love
PVP then go for it, I'm not trying to stop you I simply don't
want to participate, either willingly or unwillingly.
I hope that Moe and Andy will keep this in mind and keep the
server balanced for both PVP and PVE players.
#Post#: 746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: Elpmasjj Date: June 27, 2017, 8:38 pm
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These suggestions about grace period is very pertinent.
SUGGESTION:A daily / weekly push notification, from here, to go
out with a list of breaches containing planet name, coordinates,
and "date of AM deletion"?
That way, ppl get the chance to be notified and deal with it.
Yes...implied in that, is everyone should be subscribed to this
forum, or at least everyone that's done enough time to find an
AM core and level up.
SOAPBOX: Like Geoff stated with "C'est la Vie", this server is
provided for free and admin'd for free. If someone is that upset
with how the admins run the server, then there's a really,
really, really long list of other servers. I find it
extraordinary in our current 21st C era of I-phone, MY-space,
me, me, me, just how giving the Admins are. I've played a touch
of a few other servers for comparison and outside ideas to bring
in. VenAus stands way above any of them.
Peace and love, ELP
#Post#: 748--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: moedeb27 Date: June 28, 2017, 4:40 am
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[quote author=Terry link=topic=208.msg743#msg743
date=1498514186]
Is there any way you can change the resource type the AM is
drawing to be stone instead of the ore if you find an AM on a
depleted site? Remove the fuel supply? Or some other way to
stop it functioning rather than deleting the AM.
[/quote]
Unfortunately the answer to this is currently a no. With 6.0
they made it possible for us to enable asteroids and POI's to
auto repair/refill, so hopefully at some point they will do the
same for resource nodes, but we have no way of doing any of your
suggestions at this point.
[quote author=Terry link=topic=208.msg743#msg743
date=1498514186]
Since this rule came in, I have actually watched someone fly
around and deliberately mine out nodes under people's AMs just
in the hopes of having the AM deleted. There were larger
deposits of the same ore, about 500-600m away with no AM, but
they chose to mine out the one with the AM on it, and never
touched the other. This person went through and mined out 4
deposits in a row, out of about 15-20 in the area, and they ONLY
took out the ones with AMs, nothing else.
[/quote]
If I see or hear about anyone purposely doing this they will
certainly be penalised. This is against server rules in the
shape of fair play and not purposely doing anything at the
expense of others players enjoyment!
If it is the only resource available then I think it is fair for
players to mine the resource out completely, however to go
around and only do it to those nodes with Autominers on them is
disgusting and not the type of player Venatus is wanting on it.
[quote author=Terry link=topic=208.msg743#msg743
date=1498514186]
We really need a way to disable the AM, but still leave it to be
collected by the owner on their next rounds, or return it rather
than deleting it.
[/quote]
Unfortunately this again is not currently possible. The only way
to disable an Autominer is to remove the fuel, but this can only
be done by picking it up. If we then placed it down again the
game would see it as ours.
[quote author=Terry link=topic=208.msg743#msg743
date=1498514186]
I know there is a big push to promote PVP and that many people
enjoy it, it's just not everyone's cup of tea. If you like/love
PVP then go for it, I'm not trying to stop you I simply don't
want to participate, either willingly or unwillingly.
I hope that Moe and Andy will keep this in mind and keep the
server balanced for both PVP and PVE players.
[/quote]
There actually no push to have people move more into PvP space,
the rare ores have always been in PvP and will continue to be.
We offer PvP world's for those who want to, to settle on them
and there is now and always will be PvE world's and space for
those who want to stay in it. Trading and raiding are obviously
a way to get the rare ores as is the early morning raids (even
though there are more people on the server these days).
Venatus wants all types of players on it (unless they are not
into fair play) and we will continue to offer PvE and PvP areas
so anyone on the server can play their own preference.
We also 100% want players feedback and although we can't always
do what some people may suggest, please no that we do consider
it and do not ever simply dismiss it.
#Post#: 749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: moedeb27 Date: June 28, 2017, 4:54 am
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[quote author=Geoff1357 link=topic=208.msg742#msg742
date=1498507511]
What concerns me is that the admins might come along in between,
see them and destroy them and I lose both the AM itself and its
ores.
[/quote]
This is unfortunately a possibility and although we do not want
to punish those that are attempting to do the right thing, we
have very little choices from an administrative side other than
simply deleting them.
Having said that, there is no set admin task to regularly go
around and delete all the AM's that are breaking the rule. So it
is hopefully not going to be something that happens to often to
fair players.
Please feel free to let me know if it is happening regularly to
you and the admin group will discuss what other options are
available for us.
[quote author=Geoff1357 link=topic=208.msg742#msg742
date=1498507511]
Do you think there is a way that you could drop a core and a
couple of base blocks, then remove the core so as not to fill
the playfield, and use this as an eviction notice (24hr or so).
I know this might be extra work for an already very busy admin
team, but at least the eviction notice blocks will despawn in a
couple of days without a core in them.
[/quote]
It is a nice idea, but I have no wish myself to spend that
amount of time going around all our PvE areas doing this and I'm
sure no other admin wants to either.
What we all have to try and remember is that this is an alpha
game and issues occur. The devs have pretty much put all of
their efforts into making the game and have done almost no work
in giving administrators tools to do much, so we all have to
work with what we currently have.
#Post#: 750--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: Terry Date: June 28, 2017, 8:25 am
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Thanks for the responses Moe.
I agree, I have tried a few other servers and Venatus beats them
all hands down, and the time and effort put in by you, Andy, and
the rest of the team goes above and beyond.
I know you guys won't be deleting AMs as a punishment, but out
of necessity, it's the certain types that will use this issue to
cause other players grief that are the problem.
Let's keep our fingers crossed that this issue will be addressed
by the devs in the next update, or the next, or the next........
Keep up the great work.....
#Post#: 751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Auto Miners on depleted resources to be deleted (PvE ONLY)
By: Geoff1357 Date: June 28, 2017, 3:18 pm
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Thanks Moe for the update, just thought I'd ask.
I shall remain diligent in checking that I still have resources
under my AM's.
Appreciate yours and all the Admin's work!
G
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