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       #Post#: 464--------------------------------------------------
       Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: moedeb27
       Date: January 14, 2017, 7:12 am
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       Please be aware that some players are using an exploit of the
       game and placing turrets under the ground which allows the
       turret to ignore the ground and fire at people through it.
       This is the equivalent of [glow=red,2,300]cheating[/glow] and
       most certainly is [glow=red,2,300]NOT[/glow] in the spirit in
       which we have on Venatus - please remove those bases / turrets
       ASAP. If you do not remove them the Admins will be removing them
       for you along with any base attached and all its contents.
       If you are found to be doing this again you will receive a
       [glow=red,2,300]permanent ban[/glow] - we do not allow cheats on
       Venatus.
       Please play within the rules and spirit of the game and enjoy
       the Venatus server along with everyone else.
       #Post#: 470--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: MrTops
       Date: January 15, 2017, 5:00 pm
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       Just curious if this affects placing turrets under / inside
       bases to stop people mining into a base?
       Cheers
       MrTops
       #Post#: 471--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: jbagust
       Date: January 15, 2017, 8:09 pm
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       If the turret is surrounded by base walls then it is fine, the
       issue occurs when a tunnel is dig and the turret is left sitting
       in the middle of it without any out walls or blocks around it.
       Turrets can see walls/blocks and won't shoot through them.
       So yes you can have turrets inside your underground/aboveground
       base, just make sure it has got walls around it.
       #Post#: 487--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: myleandro
       Date: January 17, 2017, 8:43 pm
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       Cheers for the clarification Psycho!
       BTW, I've asked moe previously but would like to share with
       others and make sure all the admins agree:
       1. What about regular player sentries protecting a tunnel
       sitting on top of a block and clearly in sight?
       2. What are some other methods we can protect a base externally
       (read: outside of the base walls)?
       Thanks guys!
       L
       #Post#: 489--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: Andy
       Date: January 18, 2017, 12:53 am
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       --- Quote from: myleandro link ---
       >
       > BTW, I've asked moe previously but would like to share with
       others and make sure all the admins agree:
       >
       > 1. What about regular player sentries protecting a tunnel
       sitting on top of a block and clearly in sight?
       > 2. What are some other methods we can protect a base
       externally (read: outside of the base walls)?
       --- End Quote ---
       Well, in PvE you don't need to protect your base at all once the
       drone base has been destroyed. No more drones will ever appear
       (much to my dissatisfaction!). In PvP, you can pretty well do
       whatever you want, so long as the base can be neutralised, and
       turrets are not 'under the level of the ground'. Now, if you
       plant a turret and are happy with its location but it is half
       hidden, or almost all hidden - just dig around it to expose it
       to the air, then you're all good.
       The turrets are not supposed to be able to shoot THROUGH
       something. So if a turret is underground, it can shoot you if
       you are behind a mountain because in theory it is already
       underground and therefore not shooting THROUGH the ground ......
       If you were to dig out around that very turret and expose it to
       the air, then it would no longer be able to shoot through the
       mountain because it will see the surface of the mountain as a
       barrier. Hopefully this makes sense!
       Andy.
       #Post#: 490--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: Predator
       Date: January 18, 2017, 4:27 am
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       --- Quote from: Andy link ---
       >
       > Well, in PvE you don't need to protect your base at all once
       the drone base has been destroyed. No more drones will ever
       appear (much to my dissatisfaction!). In PvP, you can pretty
       well do whatever you want, so long as the base can be
       neutralised, and turrets are not 'under the level of the
       ground'. Now, if you plant a turret and are happy with its
       location but it is half hidden, or almost all hidden - just dig
       around it to expose it to the air, then you're all good.
       >
       > The turrets are not supposed to be able to shoot THROUGH
       something. So if a turret is underground, it can shoot you if
       you are behind a mountain because in theory it is already
       underground and therefore not shooting THROUGH the ground ......
       If you were to dig out around that very turret and expose it to
       the air, then it would no longer be able to shoot through the
       mountain because it will see the surface of the mountain as a
       barrier. Hopefully this makes sense!
       >
       > Andy.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The turrets of mine that brought all this to light, were exposed
       to air inside a dug out tunnel, and they were still removed. I
       have tested it extensively over the past few days on my test
       server and you are correct, if they are exposed to air, they
       will not shoot through the ground.
       So now the question must be asked, since Andy has confirmed my
       testing, why were my fortifications removed by an admin when
       they were not glitching through anything? One of them was placed
       inside a tunnel that someone else attempting to attack the base
       had dug, as a bit of a surprise when they went back to the
       tunnel. They were also completely able to be destroyed using
       several methods. I designed them that way. So why were they
       removed?
       So lets say I hollow out a mountain, all the way to the lava.
       I'm permitted to build an underground cave full of turrets, with
       the cores buried in the lava as long as the turrets themselves
       can be destroyed, and are exposed to air?
       #Post#: 491--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: moedeb27
       Date: January 18, 2017, 5:15 am
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       --- Quote from: Predator link ---
       >
       > So lets say I hollow out a mountain, all the way to the lava.
       I'm permitted to build an underground cave full of turrets, with
       the cores buried in the lava as long as the turrets themselves
       can be destroyed, and are exposed to air?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       To make it crystal clear if the core or any of the other key
       components (fuel tanks, generator) are placed into any position
       that is actually impossible for another player to destroy then
       they are illegal.
       You can protect them as much as you like, but with persistence
       and luck another player must be able to get to it to destroy it
       or take it over.
       If the core cannot be removed then no other player can access
       constructors or cargo boxes, which gives the owner an unfair
       advantage.
       #Post#: 492--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Base turrets purposely placed below the surface
   DIR By: Predator
       Date: January 18, 2017, 12:12 pm
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       --- Quote from: PsychokineticNZ link ---
       >
       > So yes you can have turrets inside your
       underground/aboveground base, just make sure it has got walls
       around it.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: Andy link ---
       >
       > If you were to dig out around that very turret and expose it
       to the air, then it would no longer be able to shoot through the
       mountain because it will see the surface of the mountain as a
       barrier.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I am so confused right now. We can dig around the turrets as
       long as they have walls?
       Can we please get an updated top post explaining the glitch and
       what we can do to avoid it.
       --- Quote from: moedeb27 link ---
       >
       > To make it crystal clear if the core or any of the other key
       components (fuel tanks, generator) are placed into any position
       that is actually impossible for another player to destroy then
       they are illegal.
       >
       > You can protect them as much as you like, but with persistence
       and luck another player must be able to get to it to destroy it
       or take it over.
       >
       > If the core cannot be removed then no other player can access
       constructors or cargo boxes, which gives the owner an unfair
       advantage.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you for clarification. Seems to be some miscommunication,
       since Moe is saying you cannot place the cores in invulnerable
       positions , but Andy stated on another thread "It's pvp do what
       you want, As long as the base can be neutralized". Which is
       interpreted as "as long as the weapon systems can be destroyed,
       do what you want". Apologies for dragging this crap out, but I
       just want to be clear.
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