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Saiga 12...Russian Hammer. Big Time.
By: Shotgun Bill Date: July 11, 2012, 3:09 pm
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Saiga is quickly becoming the shotgun of choice for three
gunners, sportsmen, even survivalists and general shooters. And
small wonder.
The Saiga is made in the same factory, in Russia, as were the
original AK47's. Effectively what you have is a 12 guage AK47.
The gun however, due to import restrictions on 'assault'
weapons, must enter this country in sports mode, that is with a
lightweight poly stock (no pistol grip here), and 2 magazines
restricted to 5 rounds each. The trigger group has been altered
as well...
But not to worry. There is an entire, huge industry in this
country, dedicated to converting these shotguns into high
capacity, pistol gripped, fully tactical weapons. For those with
a modicum of manual dexterity, lots of retailers sell all the
needed components to make the conversion themselves. With those
equipped with a minimun of hand or bench tools, the conversion
process can take as little as an hour...or as long as required
by ineptitude or dullness of with. The cost of the parts needed
to do this conversion can run as little a 100-150 dollars, or a
good deal more, depending upon options and so forth.
I have two Saiga 12's. One is converted, the other remains
pagan. Both however have had the internals (bolt rails, feed
ramp, bolt carrier, bolt, trigger and so forth), lightly
reprofiled, but heavily polished and massaged as well, and in
fact, both will shoot anything put in them, from light low brass
#8's to three inch slugs, to 00 buck and whatever else you might
put in them.
And do it twenty times, as quickly as you can pull the trigger.
For yes, I have a couple of 20 round drums (of course, I never
use anything but the five round magazine in the pagan Saiga, as
it is unconverted). It is absurdly easy to destroy old
outbuildings, toilets, garages, castles, barrels, automobiles
and other suchlike, with 20 rounds whatever meets the need at
the time. The thing that isn't easy, is to keep from walking
backwards from the recoil of 20 super-fast released 12 guage
shells.
Tactical accessories are easily added, from rails on up. So that
a person can use red dots, holos, scopes, whatever. I leave my
shotguns (even those of other brands) open sighted. I mean,
after all, it's a bloomin' shotgun, right?
I do though, add lights to any and all of my home or
self-defense oriented weapons.
If you haven't had the fun of emptying a 20 round drum (or 12
round magazine) and watching pure destruction come about, seek a
Saiga owning friend and implore him, beg him if need be, for the
opportunity.
For more, just google Saiga 12, or AK47 shotgun...they'll lead
you on to lead slinging debauchery, for which no apology will be
forthcoming...guaranteed.
#Post#: 317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saiga 12...Russian Hammer. Big Time.
By: Yote59 Date: July 11, 2012, 9:04 pm
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Not that sounds like my kind of shotgun. I would love to
squeeze of 20 rounds and just a few seconds to see what it is
like. Do you have any pics of the two guns?
#Post#: 320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saiga 12...Russian Hammer. Big Time.
By: Shotgun Bill Date: July 12, 2012, 7:02 am
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Hey Yote;
Yeah, it's fun, in fact, maybe too much fun. For at 20 rounds a
go, you eat up ammo pretty doggoned fast. The Saiga is one of
the several reasons I reload 12 guage...
But I've learned to look upon it like some folks view fine wine,
or vacation...that is, something to be looked forward to,
something that is always an extraordinary (at least a little bit
extraordinary) experience, to be savored when you do it, and
remembered fondly thereafter, and definitely not on a daily
basis.
If you're ever in western Kentucky or Tennessee, let's get
together and do some shootin'. I've got my own range, lots of
empty cartridge and shotgun shells to walk around one, and a
fair collection of guns to do it with.
Later!
Shotgun Bill
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Re: Saiga 12...Russian Hammer. Big Time.
By: Yote59 Date: July 12, 2012, 7:32 am
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[quote author=Shotgun Bill link=topic=53.msg320#msg320
date=1342094543]
Hey Yote;
Yeah, it's fun, in fact, maybe too much fun. For at 20 rounds a
go, you eat up ammo pretty doggoned fast. The Saiga is one of
the several reasons I reload 12 guage...
But I've learned to look upon it like some folks view fine wine,
or vacation...that is, something to be looked forward to,
something that is always an extraordinary (at least a little bit
extraordinary) experience, to be savored when you do it, and
remembered fondly thereafter, and definitely not on a daily
basis.
If you're ever in western Kentucky or Tennessee, let's get
together and do some shootin'. I've got my own range, lots of
empty cartridge and shotgun shells to walk around one, and a
fair collection of guns to do it with.
Later!
Shotgun Bill
[/quote]
I would love to get together and shoot one day. I am in KY
myself....near Bowling Green. If you know anyone who has 9MM or
22-250 brass give me a shout....I would like to purchase some.
Regards,
Yote59
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