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Introduction
By: Irv Benzion Date: December 12, 2012, 8:58 pm
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My name is Irv Benzion. I have been shooting critters (PD) for
30 some years. I take Dogs very seriously: 3-.22-250s; 2- .220
Swifts; 6mm; .204 Ruger; couple of .223s. My boss let me take
three trips to MT in 2012 and the empty brass weighted 60.5 Lbs.
In addition I do shoot all the disiplines: Pistol, Shotgun and
Rifle.
Wishing all of you No wind and Small groups!
Irv Benzion
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Re: Introduction
By: Yote59 Date: December 12, 2012, 9:29 pm
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Irv, welcome to the forum. You have an impressive line up of
varmint calibers. I am fond of the 22-250 myself. Sounds like
you have a great boss also. 60+ lbs. Of empty brass is
impressive. How many days did it take to fire that many?
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Re: Introduction
By: Irv Benzion Date: December 13, 2012, 4:44 pm
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I made three trips. Two were 6-7 days and the third was for 10
days of shooting. I've just this week gotten back my .220
Swifts which had new barrels hung on them. I shall be going to
the range to brake them in, rezero and test for the best loads.
Irv Benzion
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Re: Introduction
By: Yote59 Date: December 13, 2012, 6:21 pm
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[quote author=Irv Benzion link=topic=144.msg921#msg921
date=1355438652]
I made three trips. Two were 6-7 days and the third was for 10
days of shooting. I've just this week gotten back my .220
Swifts which had new barrels hung on them. I shall be going to
the range to brake them in, rezero and test for the best loads.
Irv Benzion
[/quote]
What a great time...6-10 days of nothing but shooting prairie
dogs....priceless... :) Best of luck on the break-in of the
new barrels.
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Re: Introduction
By: USARMORER Date: December 14, 2012, 11:03 pm
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Irv, how many rounds you get down those barrels before you have
to replace?
D.L
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Re: Introduction
By: Irv Benzion Date: December 15, 2012, 12:23 am
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I don't know exactly how many rounds but the .22-250s were taken
to MT for 5 years (2 trips per year with 6 to 8 days of
shooting). The Swifts for 4 years. The .22-250s were shooting
between .8 to an inch at 200. The .22-250 replacement barrels
before this years trip to MT shot .428 and .487 at 200 which is
the distance I use for sighting in varmint guns. After the
three trips the lead had increased 100 thousands. I set the
bullets out and shot a little over .5 with both rifles. There
was some wind on the day I shot though.
I have a Gradient Lens Bore Scope and the old barrels had pits,
heat cracking and craders. At the begining of the year I could
no longer reach the rifling and switched bullets from Sie 1330s
to VMAX to get a longer bearing surface. The rifles were
shooting in the .8s before this year's gala. Realizing the
Swift BBLs wouldn't last much longer I had them replaced.
As a warning: If any of you are thinking about rebarreling; the
major barrel makers have a 7 month lead time so it might be a
good idea to order your BBLs now for next summer.
Irv Benzion
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Re: Introduction
By: USARMORER Date: December 15, 2012, 9:05 am
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[quote author=Irv Benzion link=topic=144.msg968#msg968
date=1355552624]
I don't know exactly how many rounds but the .22-250s were taken
to MT for 5 years (2 trips per year with 6 to 8 days of
shooting). The Swifts for 4 years. The .22-250s were shooting
between .8 to an inch at 200. The .22-250 replacement barrels
before this years trip to MT shot .428 and .487 at 200 which is
the distance I use for sighting in varmint guns. After the
three trips the lead had increased 100 thousands. I set the
bullets out and shot a little over .5 with both rifles. There
was some wind on the day I shot though.
I have a Gradient Lens Bore Scope and the old barrels had pits,
heat cracking and craders. At the begining of the year I could
no longer reach the rifling and switched bullets from Sie 1330s
to VMAX to get a longer bearing surface. The rifles were
shooting in the .8s before this year's gala. Realizing the
Swift BBLs wouldn't last much longer I had them replaced.
As a warning: If any of you are thinking about rebarreling; the
major barrel makers have a 7 month lead time so it might be a
good idea to order your BBLs now for next summer.
Irv Benzion
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Good deal Irv. What make/model scopes you using? That is some
great groups at 200!
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Re: Introduction
By: Irv Benzion Date: December 15, 2012, 1:30 pm
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A couple of years ago I purchased a Savage in .204 and bought on
line a Leupold 8 1/2 x 50 for it. All of my other rifles had 6
1/2 x 20 Leupolds on them. Liking the 8 1/2 for its larger bell
and tube which resulted in more light gathering ability, all the
6 1/2s were replaced. I don't know if the new scopes improved
my groups as my normal level of acceptance of a varmint gun is
from .5 to .8 at 200. Rifles that shoot groups larger than that
are just not acceptable. As you all know a PD is not a large
target.
Although some may feel that that level of accuracy is not
obtainable I found that with good equipment and judicious load
development it is. But perhaps the new scopes gave me one or
tenths. My hunting partner is a benchrester and I have been
studying bench rest techniques in order to improve my own
performace. It is well known that most of the improvements in
accuracy is a result of what has been learned from learned from
the bench rest game.
As an aside, the 6 1/2s Leups had been purchase 25 to 30 years
ago but were resold for double their orginal purchase price
thereby reducing the cost of the 8 1/2s to half. Does that tell
you something about retained value of Leupold scopes? In my
mind a wise investment.
Irv
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Re: Introduction
By: Yote59 Date: December 15, 2012, 2:25 pm
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[quote author=Irv Benzion link=topic=144.msg984#msg984
date=1355599817]
A couple of years ago I purchased a Savage in .204 and bought on
line a Leupold 8 1/2 x 50 for it. All of my other rifles had 6
1/2 x 20 Leupolds on them. Liking the 8 1/2 for its larger bell
and tube which resulted in more light gathering ability, all the
6 1/2s were replaced. I don't know if the new scopes improved
my groups as my normal level of acceptance of a varmint gun is
from .5 to .8 at 200. Rifles that shoot groups larger than that
are just not acceptable. As you all know a PD is not a large
target.
Although some may feel that that level of accuracy is not
obtainable I found that with good equipment and judicious load
development it is. But perhaps the new scopes gave me one or
tenths. My hunting partner is a benchrester and I have been
studying bench rest techniques in order to improve my own
performace. It is well known that most of the improvements in
accuracy is a result of what has been learned from learned from
the bench rest game.
As an aside, the 6 1/2s Leups had been purchase 25 to 30 years
ago but were resold for double their orginal purchase price
thereby reducing the cost of the 8 1/2s to half. Does that tell
you something about retained value of Leupold scopes? In my
mind a wise investment.
Irv
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I will not argue that Leups are not great scopes....they are
some of the best. Are their scopes out there that will do
exactly what the Leups will do at half the price...yes indeed.
It's whatever you want to put your money into. I know, if you
can't see it you can't hit it.....I get it. The money you
invest in glass has a lot to do with the type of hunting you
do....the terrain you hunt and of course time of day. I shoot a
Leapers 4-16X50 AO lighted reticle on top of a Savage 22-250.
Love...love...love it. Price $85.00. Gathers great light 4-16
power....never lost zero since I purchased a year ago. I'
impressed with anyone who can shoot .5 to .8 groups @ 200 yards.
Can a person shoot this every time out....no....most of the
time...yes....regardless of the glass you shoot. Too many
environmental factors come into play for consistent tight groups
such as this. Rolling your own does make a big difference...or
it has for me... ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Introduction
By: Irv Benzion Date: December 15, 2012, 4:09 pm
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Thank you for your complement on the groups. But I do not agree
with your statement on the scopes. When I first started
shooting critters I bought inexpensive scopes (all I could
afford at the time) but over the years I found that in "glass"
you get exactly what you pay for. I don't want to start an
argument, but that is my opinion. If circumstances prevent one
from purchasing the more expensive glass so be it, as an
individual must buy what he can afford. I like Leups because
they are garanteed forever and hold or appreciate in value.
Just send a scope back to Leup and they will repair it — whether
it was purchase new or second hand. It is the only used scope I
would buy. There are more expensive scopes but I found it
difficult to justify the expense when replacing 7 scopes and to
be honest I was unable to see that much difference in quality.
Irv Benzion
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