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Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: KerryD
Date: November 6, 2025, 2:45 am
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I am no fan of Donald Trump by any means; but neither can I
claim to be a fan of Pope Leo. His latest criticism of Trump
seems far-fetched to me.
Pope Leo offers his strongest criticism of Trump yet
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1lq751964mo
Pope Leo has called for "deep reflection" on how migrants are
treated in the United States, where he said many people were
deeply affected by the controversial policy of mass deportation.
I strongly agree with that part. I have a problem with what
follows.
Emerging to address a bank of TV cameras outside his papal
retreat at Castel Gandolfo and offering to answer "one or two
questions", Pope Leo XIV said there were people who have lived
in the US "for years and years never causing problems, who have
been deeply affected" by Trump's hardline policy on migration.
Speaking in English, and reaching a US audience directly, he
reiterated the Catholic belief that every Christian will
ultimately be judged on how they welcomed "the foreigner".
It is not a question of whether American Christians welcome
every foreigner to the US. There is also a matter of law which
govern immigration. When Israel took refuge in Egypt, Joseph
and the Pharoah knew who they were and even granted them land of
their own.
Genesis 45:8 So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God:
and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his
house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
9 Haste ye, and go up to my father, and say unto him, Thus saith
thy son Joseph, God hath made me lord of all Egypt: come down
unto me, tarry not:
10 And thou shalt dwell in the land of Goshen, and thou shalt be
near unto me, thou, and thy children, and thy children's
children, and thy flocks, and thy herds, and all that thou hast:
11 And there will I nourish thee; for yet there are five years
of famine; lest thou, and thy household, and all that thou hast,
come to poverty.
We might call this chain-migration today. Joseph did well in
Egypt and everyone knew who he was. Israel was not sneaking
into Egypt or breaking any laws.
Now let us look at the Scripture Pope Leo seems to be using to
validate the position of the Catholic Church.
Numbers 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the
soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance
before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be
forgiven him.
29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance,
both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for
the stranger that sojourneth among them.
30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be
born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the Lord;
and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
We don't have Jewish priests to make atonement for us today; but
updating this to apply the principle to today's situation, we
could say that if an immigrant goes to a country without knowing
his journey is unlawful, he should tell authorities who probably
can help make him a lawful immigrant if he has no other crimes
on his record. I cannot discuss what every other country should
do; but the USA needs to be able to identify people, especially
those who cross the borders to make sure they're not smuggling
drugs or engaging in human smuggling which can reduce some women
and children into unwilling prostitutes or actors in porn. We
also need to be able to assess whether they might be acting as
spies for our enemies.
Leo obeyed the immigration laws of Peru when he went there. Pope
Leo XIV updates his Peruvian citizen registration with his new
Vatican address
HTML https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-peru-national-registration-vatican-address-0a3ce71dab08746fba97592caf266e30<br
/>
Leo was granted Peruvian citizenship in August 2015, the month
before Pope Francis, his predecessor, appointed him bishop of
Chiclayo, a city in the country’s north. To qualify, he had to
live in Peru for at least two years and pass a civics test.
I guess he passed the civics test and Peru knew who he was.
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: Helen
Date: November 6, 2025, 9:40 am
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Good post Kerry …agree.
My son in law sat on a plane next to a priest …the priest said
he wouldn’t trust the Pope at all.
He also said he was very worried about who the Pope has around
him as friends , as they were a bad lot.
Not sure quite what he was talking about…but it didn’t sound
good . The priest inferred that the Pope wasn’t what he
pretended to be.
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: KerryD
Date: November 6, 2025, 5:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Helen link ---
>
> Good post Kerry …agree.
> My son in law sat on a plane next to a priest …the priest said
he wouldn’t trust the Pope at all.
> He also said he was very worried about who the Pope has around
him as friends , as they were a bad lot.
> Not sure quite what he was talking about…but it didn’t sound
good . The priest inferred that the Pope wasn’t what he
pretended to be.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd love to know what was really on that priest's mind; but my
impression, sad to say, is that this Pope is a publicity hound
and also goes for stunts to increase his popularity. I did not
know what to think when he met King Charles and Queen Camilla.
Sky News noted (below) how both of them are plagued by sex
scandals. I heard that it was Prince William who put the
pressure on Charles to take action about "Prince" Andrew who
seems to have gotten away with much for a long time. I wish
myself that Charles had been more active sooner. If you ask me,
he's responsible for upholding the reputation of the royal
family, so Andrew should have been chastened more and sooner.
"To whom much is given, much is required."
This leaves me wandering if Charles was trying to polish his own
image a bit and getting help from the Pope -- who was using him
the same way.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FvfqlqOPVw
Of course, while I can see the reason for some public praying, I
do not see the justification for famous people using prayer to
try to polish their own reputations.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues
and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when
thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: Helen
Date: November 7, 2025, 9:25 am
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For myself I believe everything ended with the real Queen dying.
I don’t give a fig for Charles and Camilla…..they don’t have
the peoples respect or following.
Charles will never shake the ghost of Princes Diana who had more
Royal English blood ( even if from the wrong side of the blanket
) in her little finger than Charles did in his whole body…..
while Charles was not “English” , but German and Greek.
But Rita knows more about the “Royal family “ than I do, I’ve
been out of it for 59 years now.
I don’t like Charles , he’s a prime Globalist , ‘The Great Reset
‘ was his brain child. He works for the enemy. He has no
Christian values other than those attached to his position.
He and the new Pope have lots in common I’m sure.
As for Camilla, pfft …..she’s just a wannabe…
I loved Queen Elizabeth and her love and dedication for England
.
I’d like to hear what Rita has to say about. Even though I know
she is an anti-royalist . :)
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: KerryD
Date: November 7, 2025, 12:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Helen link ---
>
> For myself I believe everything ended with the real Queen
dying.
> I don’t give a fig for Charles and Camilla…..they don’t have
the peoples respect or following.
> Charles will never shake the ghost of Princes Diana who had
more Royal English blood ( even if from the wrong side of the
blanket ) in her little finger than Charles did in his whole
body….. while Charles was not “English” , but German and Greek.
> But Rita knows more about the “Royal family “ than I do, I’ve
been out of it for 59 years now.
> I don’t like Charles , he’s a prime Globalist , ‘The Great
Reset ‘ was his brain child. He works for the enemy. He has no
Christian values other than those attached to his position.
> He and the new Pope have lots in common I’m sure.
> As for Camilla, pfft …..she’s just a wannabe…
>
> I loved Queen Elizabeth and her love and dedication for
England .
>
> I’d like to hear what Rita has to say about. Even though I
know she is an anti-royalist . :)
>
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I think maybe Charles is really a shy person. Diana wasn't.
I see Prince Harry and Meghan are also still making news when
they wore LA Dodgers caps during the World Series. To his
credit, he did apologize for it; but why would they do that in
the first place? Because the owner of the Dodgers invited them
to it?
HTML https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/6823/live/bb41cb40-bba3-11f0-b2a1-6f537f66f9aa.jpg.webp
Story at BBC.
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9kgpvzlndo
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: Helen
Date: November 7, 2025, 4:59 pm
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I think they should be stripped of any titles and the money that
supports them ( unless Charles uses his own money ) they are a
disgrace along with Andrew. The gravy train should end.
I so wish Rita would jump in here! Haha!
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: Rita
Date: November 7, 2025, 5:40 pm
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Oh okay , I see why you wanted my input Helen - oh our
wonderful Royal family ( being sarcastic )
I must admit I did like the Queen, didn’t agree with everything
she did with Andrew as I felt he should have faced the music. I
kind of respected the Queen on one level but once she passed an
era was over and I just see most of them enjoying a comfortable
life style and not really in the real world.
Andrew now deserves what he gets , should never have got away
with things this long. He is an arrogant royal, and a bit of a
child. He has rows of teddies on his bed and the ‘ servants ‘
have to put them back in a certain order other wise he gets
angry and throws a tantrum ( that’s come out in many
documentaries ) He is no longer protected, I think there was
just no other choice than to do something as public pressure was
growing and in many respects the Royal Family need the public.
I never agreed with what Charles did to Diana, but having dealt
personally with ‘ other women ‘ in a marriage I had a lot of
empathy for her. I realise she wasn’t innocent later on, but not
sure I blamed her in the end. Not sure how I feel about Charles,
he certainly isn’t worthy of being the head of the church - not
in a biblical way as his life should have reflected a better
moral standard.
Princess Anne and Prince Edward and their families work hard,
but are never in the press these days with any scandal.
Harry and Megan , they wanted out but also seem to crave
publicity. They want reconciliation , but then do things that
make the rift wider. They want their cake and eat it. I use to
quite like him and Harry when they were younger because they
seems more like their mum.
I am not a royalist - I think the way they live is behind the
times, a recent documentary stated that they are living in a
different era to the rest of us - I think that is very true of
many of them, but not all.
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: Rita
Date: November 7, 2025, 5:50 pm
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Helen,
I would not say I was anti Royalist while the Queen was alive,
she dedicated her life to the role and she was well respected (
well most of the time )
I think with all the issue we face it’s a bit of a kick in the
teeth when they spend so much money on pomp and ceremony, and
all the expensive outfits they wear not to mention the expensive
food they eat. They just live in a different world to us common
folk.
William and Kate are moving into a new home, surrounding the
house are public walk ways and parks that are used for dog
walkers. Well those areas are now going to be blocked, that has
not gone down to well.
I don’t know what to believe with the globalist thing, I keep an
open mind on that but not sure where I sit with it all.
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: Rita
Date: November 7, 2025, 5:55 pm
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Kerry
I think Charles got a really hard deal when he was younger. He
went to a horrible boarding school and was bullied but his
father wouldn’t let him change schools. Also they did block his
original romance with Camilla, she was his first real love - he
was sent away to the Navy to stop it progressing. Those things
would have impacted him. It was the same with Princess Margaret
, they denied her as well.
I can relate to that with my own dad , his first love was the
lady he eventually had endless affairs with and once my mum died
they became a couple. Even I could see how much he loved her and
the relationship was so different to my mum and dads.
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Re: Pope Leo and President Trump
DIR By: KerryD
Date: November 8, 2025, 6:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Rita link ---
>
> Kerry
> I think Charles got a really hard deal when he was younger. He
went to a horrible boarding school and was bullied but his
father wouldn’t let him change schools. Also they did block his
original romance with Camilla, she was his first real love - he
was sent away to the Navy to stop it progressing. Those things
would have impacted him. It was the same with Princess Margaret
, they denied her as well.
>
> I can relate to that with my own dad , his first love was the
lady he eventually had endless affairs with and once my mum died
they became a couple. Even I could see how much he loved her and
the relationship was so different to my mum and dads.
>
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What's amazing is that while he was miserable when going there,
later he said he was glad to have been sent there. My guess is
he learned that the bullying was silly; and today as king, he's
almost immune to it. I think he also learned how to get by
without taking advantage of royal privilege. Andrew also went
there, but I'd say he never learned that, he was always willing
to use the royal position to his own advantage.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/24/king-charles-to-become-patron-of-gordonstoun-association
I had no clue he and Camilla went back that far. I thought they
met much later, so thanks for that info.
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