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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Helen Date: November 1, 2025, 10:01 am
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Yes , agree about the different accounts …I’ve always seen it
not as disagreements but from the different writers point of
view.
A bit like the description of the elephant , one describing the
trunk, one the tail , one the Tusks and one the legs…different
accounts , but never the less , all being the elephant and
correct.
Much with Jesus was done so - “scripture could be fulfilled “…
from the Psalms and from Isiah etc etc…
#Post#: 2591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Dave Date: November 1, 2025, 12:27 pm
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For me and my house, more than just one view gives it more of a
bite, what could we discuss if only one report is given,
preachers and Bible students would be on the side
lines.🧐🧐🧐.
Sometimes like honest Thomas we need to ‘see’ who’s report we
will believe, as the old musketeers were won’t to say “ All for
one and one for all” which embodies the spirit of unity, mutual
support, and collective responsibility.
Jesus uses “it is written” to shoe Satan away, so that which is
written works for me.
My waking thought was “And the Word was made flesh” must be
getting close to Christmas😇😇😇.
The Word embodies what is written to make what is written more
than just words but Spirit and life to us as we walk with the
Lord in the light of his Word, there’s a nice line from an old
song Mike 👍👍👍.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Mike Waters Date: November 1, 2025, 5:02 pm
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Misused Bibliolatry can be the death knell of faith.
Let every follower just use the bible as a multipurpose tool
that can feed the bread of life differently according to each
reader's unique needs.
That's precisely the means whereby the 'adversary' can cause it
to be misused to both undermine some reader's pet theologies or
underpin the pet theologies of another. (divide to conquer)
In the words of the hymnist "God is His own interpreter, and He
will make it plain"
( Albeit differently according to the differing needs of sincere
seekers)
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 1, 2025, 7:32 pm
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=84.msg2592#msg2592
date=1762034578]
Misused Bibliolatry can be the death knell of faith.
Let every follower just use the bible as a multipurpose tool
that can feed the bread of life differently according to each
reader's unique needs.
That's precisely the means whereby the 'adversary' can cause it
to be misused to both undermine some reader's pet theologies or
underpin the pet theologies of another. (divide to conquer)
In the words of the hymnist "God is His own interpreter, and He
will make it plain"
( Albeit differently according to the differing needs of sincere
seekers)
[/quote]How old is the idea that the Bible is inerrant? I don't
think it's that old. I think it came about when Protestant
leaders wanted to break with the Catholic Church so they had a
motive to try to show how Catholics were wrong about things. It
was, in my opinion, divisive. I think there are two types of
people: Those who seek unity and those who seek self-gain by
sowing division. What Jesus said about it makes perfect sense
to me; and since his words demonstrate the Power of Love, I
believe Luke quoted Jesus accurately.
Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth.
Jews don't teach that their books are inerrant. Nor do most of
the books in the New Testament claim to be the inspired Word of
God or even prophetic.
What I assert that I know that something becomes the Living Word
of God only when the Holy Spirit helps us write it in our
hearts. That idea is Old Testament; and I believe it since it
demonstrates the Love of God. When Israel stumbled and rejected
the Voice of God, that is when they were given written words . .
. and told to write them on their hearts. A purely intellectual
view isn't enough; but we also can't adopt impossible things as
true -- God gave us minds to use, so we ought to use them.
Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day,
shall be in thine heart:
Paul seems to agree when he said in Romans 2 that Gentiles
without the laws of Moses can still do the works of them if they
have them written on their hearts.
For me, Scripture may be important telling us what can't be true
(no matter how they may please us) than telling us what is true.
Eliminate the errors, and eventually we're left with the Truth
- the way gold is refined.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 1, 2025, 7:49 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=84.msg2590#msg2590
date=1762009272]
Yes , agree about the different accounts …I’ve always seen it
not as disagreements but from the different writers point of
view.
A bit like the description of the elephant , one describing the
trunk, one the tail , one the Tusks and one the legs…different
accounts , but never the less , all being the elephant and
correct.
Much with Jesus was done so - “scripture could be fulfilled “…
from the Psalms and from Isiah etc etc…
[/quote]I am tempted to start a thread about how the Gospel of
Matthew and the "prophecies" cited in it.
#Post#: 2595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Mike Waters Date: November 2, 2025, 1:16 am
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Kerry, maybe I'm a bit thick but my post wasn't intended to
suggest that the Bible is "inerrant".
When writing it I was in two minds about whether or not to
amplify my post by quoting 2 Corinthians 3:2-4 emphasising the
importance of the Word of God being "written on the fleshy
tablets of the heart which brings life" rather than being
nothing more than the "letter of the 'Word' which Kills"
2 Corinthians 3:2-4 just happens to have been "written into the
fleshy tablet of my heart"
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Helen Date: November 2, 2025, 8:57 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=84.msg2595#msg2595
date=1762064218]
Kerry, maybe I'm a bit thick but my post wasn't intended to
suggest that the Bible is "inerrant".
When writing it I was in two minds about whether or not to
amplify my post by quoting 2 Corinthians 3:2-4 emphasising the
importance of the Word of God being "written on the fleshy
tablets of the heart which brings life" rather than being
nothing more than the "letter of the 'Word' which Kills"
2 Corinthians 3:2-4 just happens to have been "written into the
fleshy tablet of my heart"
[/quote]
I’m one who actually liked and listened to Kenneth Haggin.
He was the first one that I ever heard , mention that the ‘dead
letter ‘ can become a living word in the mouth of a believer.
“When in a spiritual battle , grab any old jawbone of the ass
and swing it , until it becomes ‘spirit and life’ against the
enemy”.
Much like the preachers saying …”If your spiritual life is
becalmed and the wind of the Spirit is not blowing…don’t just
sit there - ROW! “
I’d never heard that before. Never heard that ‘claiming a
verse ‘ could bring life and victory.
In my many battles after that I found it to be true. I became
one of the ‘claimers of the word ‘.
Which is very different from the times of opening the Bible in
our devotional reading and experiencing the Words of life
leaping from the page into the heart.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 2, 2025, 10:58 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=84.msg2595#msg2595
date=1762064218]
Kerry, maybe I'm a bit thick but my post wasn't intended to
suggest that the Bible is "inerrant".
When writing it I was in two minds about whether or not to
amplify my post by quoting 2 Corinthians 3:2-4 emphasising the
importance of the Word of God being "written on the fleshy
tablets of the heart which brings life" rather than being
nothing more than the "letter of the 'Word' which Kills"
2 Corinthians 3:2-4 just happens to have been "written into the
fleshy tablet of my heart"
[/quote]I didn't think you were suggesting that the Bible is
inerrant. I was wondering where that idea came from.
#Post#: 2598--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 2, 2025, 11:39 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=84.msg2596#msg2596
date=1762095444]
I’m one who actually liked and listened to Kenneth Haggin.
He was the first one that I ever heard , mention that the ‘dead
letter ‘ can become a living word in the mouth of a believer.
“When in a spiritual battle , grab any old jawbone of the ass
and swing it , until it becomes ‘spirit and life’ against the
enemy”.
Much like the preachers saying …”If your spiritual life is
becalmed and the wind of the Spirit is not blowing…don’t just
sit there - ROW! “
I’d never heard that before. Never heard that ‘claiming a
verse ‘ could bring life and victory.
In my many battles after that I found it to be true. I became
one of the ‘claimers of the word ‘.
Which is very different from the times of opening the Bible in
our devotional reading and experiencing the Words of life
leaping from the page into the heart.
[/quote]
I don't know exactly what Haggin taught; but I might agree with
him. Jesus is depicted as having a sword coming from his mouth.
Believers can also speak the Word at times when they are
inspired.
Isaiah 49:2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the
shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;
Now back to Judas. When John tells us Jesus said, "I am he" to
the band of men and they fell backwards. Seldom do we see this
kind of spiritual power delivered in a such a way; but if the
intention is there, it is possible I do believe. I see
"doctrine" contained in that detail about them falling backwards
when Jesus said that.
#Post#: 2599--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Dave Date: November 3, 2025, 10:25 am
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If all scripture is given by inspiration of God, the (original
Greek) is God breathed. 2 Tim 3-16.
When Paul writes to young Tim there was no new testament as we
know it, so he has to be referencing the old testament, do we
believe the same for the new?
Kerry in the woman with the issue of blood, Jesus knew
power/virtue had been released, so it was the indwelling Holy
Spirit from within that bowls over the people in the garden,
Peter's silver and gold have I none but such as I have I give,
and we know just the power from his shadow was enough to heal
sick folk.
So why is the 'church' a wet noodle in this day and age, yet the
early 'church' to them it was no small thing.
IF there was a blowing of the wind of the Spirit now, would we
actually believe it?
Helen and I in our walk have seen many 'flakes' but have also
known those who moved in the power of the Holy Spirit.
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