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Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: October 28, 2025, 7:47 pm
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Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Dave Date: October 28, 2025, 10:53 pm
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Jesus must have loved him, and we read nothing about the
disciples not liking him before the betrayal or after.
I would like him because he cast out demons, healed the sick,
probably saw the whats not recorded bits of Jesus’s ministry.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Helen Date: October 29, 2025, 2:29 am
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Good question!
I think I’d like him, because I already, without meeting him ,
can say -“ there , but for the grace of God go I “.
Just like Adam and Eve …Somebody had to do it… they and Judas
had to play their part in the great Plan of God.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Rita Date: October 29, 2025, 3:22 am
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I would have liked to meet him after he realised what his
actions led to, before it led to him taking his own life. In
that moment he needed Someone.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Mike Waters Date: October 29, 2025, 4:12 am
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"Jesus came unto his own, and his own received him not. But to
as many as did receive him, He gave the power to become the sons
of God, even to them that only just believed on his name: Which
were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of
the will of man, but of God".
Helen will tell us that we have no way of knowing that even the
'vilest offender' did not bow the knee in the moments between
apparent death and final ultimate 'death' (even Judas?).
Maybe Judas is that 'spirit within us' that will 'ultimately'
bring all to "only just believe on his name"
"In my Father's House there are many mansions" (room for all?).
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: October 29, 2025, 11:49 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=84.msg2568#msg2568
date=1761709991]
Jesus must have loved him, and we read nothing about the
disciples not liking him before the betrayal or after.
I would like him because he cast out demons, healed the sick,
probably saw the whats not recorded bits of Jesus’s ministry.
[/quote]We often tend to forget that he cast out demons and
healed the sick. Thanks for that reminder.
Here's another question: Does someone who gives into the
temptation of Satan lose his spiritual gifts? I'm getting in
the habit of quoting Paul; but if I read him right, the answer
would be no.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without
repentance.
I suppose that's the reason I am not convinced by miracles alone
that someone is doing God's work. Some seem to fall into
temptation and fail to repent but still retain their ability to
perform "signs and lying wonders." I'm quoting Paul yet again.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: October 29, 2025, 11:57 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=84.msg2570#msg2570
date=1761722961]
Good question!
I think I’d like him, because I already, without meeting him ,
can say -“ there , but for the grace of God go I “.
Just like Adam and Eve …Somebody had to do it… they and Judas
had to play their part in the great Plan of God.
[/quote]Did it have to be him? I believe that if Adam and Eve
hadn't disobeyed, eventually one or more of their children would
have.
I don't claim to understand fully what Paul wrote here (as I
quote him a third time); but he seems to be condemning the idea
that we should sin sometimes so good can come.
Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and
as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come?
whose damnation is just.
Why would God design a plan in which one of His saints had to
sin? My idea is that God's Plan always has a back-up provision
so if one person fails at his job, someone else can step in to
finish the job. King Saul found that out the hard way -- he
wasn't indispensable. David was there to replace him if needed.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: October 30, 2025, 12:06 am
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=84.msg2571#msg2571
date=1761726176]
I would have liked to meet him after he realised what his
actions led to, before it led to him taking his own life. In
that moment he needed Someone.
[/quote]
I'd like to know why he returned the money. The stories in the
Gospels vary, but if he took a bribe out of love of money, why
would he return it? I think it may go deeper than that.
I can't show it from Scripture; but I believe Judas wanted a
revolt that would install Jesus as an earthly ruler. He then
devised a cunning plan to fool the Jews into believing he could
be bribed so they would follow him and attempt to arrest Jesus.
That could spark a violent rebellion. That plan didn't work.
Peter was willing to fight, but Jesus told him not to. I can
imagine Judas' extreme sorrow when Jesus was arrested and his
bribe had been for nothing. I think Judas loved Jesus so much,
he couldn't forgive himself and wanted to die but not with the
money in his possession. It is sad indeed that he seemed to
have no one to talk to who might have told him to ask for
forgiveness.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Rita Date: October 30, 2025, 2:35 am
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[quote author=KerryD link=topic=84.msg2577#msg2577
date=1761800792]
I'd like to know why he returned the money. The stories in the
Gospels vary, but if he took a bribe out of love of money, why
would he return it? I think it may go deeper than that.
I can't show it from Scripture; but I believe Judas wanted a
revolt that would install Jesus as an earthly ruler. He then
devised a cunning plan to fool the Jews into believing he could
be bribed so they would follow him and attempt to arrest Jesus.
That could spark a violent rebellion. That plan didn't work.
Peter was willing to fight, but Jesus told him not to. I can
imagine Judas' extreme sorrow when Jesus was arrested and his
bribe had been for nothing. I think Judas loved Jesus so much,
he couldn't forgive himself and wanted to die but not with the
money in his possession. It is sad indeed that he seemed to
have no one to talk to who might have told him to ask for
forgiveness.
[/quote]
I always thought he returned the money out of guilt, but we know
that the disciples thought Jesus would overthrow the Romans.
They honestly believed that the kingdom he spoke of was a
worldly one. It’s a shame he acted straight away as we know
Peter also felt ashamed but Jesus later came alongside him , so
pretty sure the same would have happen with Judas.
I see with Peter and Judas a picture of how things can pan out,
one waited but found the other disciples and was reconciled with
Jesus while the other faced it alone and gave into the guilt. (
I have started to notice that this often happens in scripture -
where two ‘ brothers ‘ or ‘ kings ‘or situations occur and they
have similar experiences but the outcomes are different
depending on what choices they make )
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Helen Date: October 30, 2025, 9:14 am
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[quote author=KerryD link=topic=84.msg2576#msg2576
date=1761800279]
Did it have to be him? I believe that if Adam and Eve hadn't
disobeyed, eventually one or more of their children would have.
I don't claim to understand fully what Paul wrote here (as I
quote him a third time); but he seems to be condemning the idea
that we should sin sometimes so good can come.
Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and
as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come?
whose damnation is just.
Why would God design a plan in which one of His saints had to
sin? My idea is that God's Plan always has a back-up provision
so if one person fails at his job, someone else can step in to
finish the job. King Saul found that out the hard way -- he
wasn't indispensable. David was there to replace him if needed.
[/quote]
Hi there .
No I don’t believe ‘it had to be him’, but someone had to do it.
And obviously he had a weakness.
You said - “ David was there to replace Saul , if needed “
Can’t agree with you there Kerry .
Samuel was sad that Israel kept demanding a king ‘like other
nations had ‘. He knew that GOD Himself was the Ruler of Israel
..it wasn’t time, but they demanded one, so God gave them Saul.
Saul only marked the time until God was ready to anoint David
in His stead. Which I believe He intended to do all the time.
Just my opinion…..
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