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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: Rita Date: October 17, 2025, 7:21 am
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The third thing I looked at was the phrase ‘ Neither male or
female ‘ and drew conclusions that this is not linked to roles
or sexuality. In context of the verse we see that it also states
a comparison between slave/ free Jew/Gentile as well and states
we are all one in Christ.
As it earlier states that we become sons in Christ , I believe
this is about the relationship - all of us, regardless of human
status, are sons and daughters. We know that on a human level
people remained male and female, slaves and free, Jew and
gentiles- none of those things changed, so on a human level not
everyone suddenly became equal within society.
However we have all been equally adopted xx
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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: KerryD Date: October 17, 2025, 11:52 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=80.msg2479#msg2479
date=1760691882]
I am grateful and respectful of Kerry's latest thoughts in this
thread.
What are your thoughts Kerry on 'Hebrews' and who was the
writer?
[/quote]Sorry, Mike, I don't even have a theory on who the
author was.
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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: KerryD Date: October 17, 2025, 1:04 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=80.msg2487#msg2487
date=1760703690]
The third thing I looked at was the phrase ‘ Neither male or
female ‘ and drew conclusions that this is not linked to roles
or sexuality. In context of the verse we see that it also states
a comparison between slave/ free Jew/Gentile as well and states
we are all one in Christ.
As it earlier states that we become sons in Christ , I believe
this is about the relationship - all of us, regardless of human
status, are sons and daughters. We know that on a human level
people remained male and female, slaves and free, Jew and
gentiles- none of those things changed, so on a human level not
everyone suddenly became equal within society.
However we have all been equally adopted xx
[/quote]
So why did Paul say women should be silent and not have any
authority?
It's a complex issue perhaps. Ever notice how Abraham made a
mistake taking a suggestion from Sarah? Was that a woman
exercising too much authority? But then later, something
changed; and God told Abraham to ask her what to do and was told
to do whatever she said. What changed? Is it important?
Perhaps more than we may think at first glance. The Jew teach
and I believe that several things in Genesis were true
historically but are also prophetic about future events. Are we
entering an age where sex matters less and less?
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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: KerryD Date: October 17, 2025, 2:04 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=80.msg2486#msg2486
date=1760703213]
Galatian’s ‘ what had gone wrong ‘
The theme of the letter was about the new covenant and the new
reality that we are justified by faith alone and not by
obedience to the ceremonial laws ( not sure I believe that this
is the same as the Ten Commandments , or the sermon on the mount
as they are important to how we should act ect - Jesus being the
perfect example )
The ceremonial laws enabled the Jewish people to come into the
presence of God, well Jesus fulfilled those laws for us and
through faith we can equally come into Gods presence without
having to go through those laws )
The Galatian’s themselves were being pressurised by a group of
Jews to be circumcised, they wanted the gentile Christian to
form in line a Judaism sect. They wanted to lead, stay onside of
the Jewish leaders and avoid persecution. 4:10 also shows that
they were also observing certain ceremonial laws with regards to
special days / months ect
In the ESV it uses the word ‘ Guardian ‘ , not ‘ Schoolmaster ‘
The law was our guardian until Christ came ( 3:24 )
After this we became ‘ sons - it was a relationship change - I
guess you could say we have been adopted from the law looking
after us, to Christ guiding us himself xx
[/quote]Did they have a bishop? I thought the Apostles made
converts and then appointed bishops before they moved on to
other places. When I read the book of Galatians, I wonder who
Paul left in charge as shepherd and teacher.
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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: Rita Date: October 17, 2025, 2:11 pm
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[quote author=KerryD link=topic=80.msg2489#msg2489
date=1760724269]
So why did Paul say women should be silent and not have any
authority?
It's a complex issue perhaps. Ever notice how Abraham made a
mistake taking a suggestion from Sarah? Was that a woman
exercising too much authority? But then later, something
changed; and God told Abraham to ask her what to do and was told
to do whatever she said. What changed? Is it important?
Perhaps more than we may think at first glance. The Jew teach
and I believe that several things in Genesis were true
historically but are also prophetic about future events. Are we
entering an age where sex matters less and less?
[/quote]
I didn’t address the passage about women in church, just added
that I don’t think the earlier passage was linked to the
particular issue of authority between male and female.
From my own prospective I have always taken Paul’s comments
about women in church to be cultural - at the time women had
very few rights and I doubt men would have allowed it anyway. I
have listened to women preaching and God has spoken through
them, so I tend to keep an open mind on the matter. I have also
been in a church that had women in the leadership, and their
husbands were well and truly behind what they were doing.
I respect the different roles and believe there are times when
someone has to take the authority, I had to deal with that
within my marriage but I keep an open mind on who God will use.
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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: Rita Date: October 17, 2025, 2:13 pm
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[quote author=KerryD link=topic=80.msg2490#msg2490
date=1760727897]
Did they have a bishop? I thought the Apostles made converts
and then appointed bishops before they moved on to other places.
When I read the book of Galatians, I wonder who Paul left in
charge as shepherd and teacher.
[/quote]
I have always generally read ‘ Bishop ‘ as meaning anyone in a
leadership role
#Post#: 2493--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: Dave Date: October 17, 2025, 3:46 pm
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Whilst up in Northern Alberta we were invited to a Mennonite
Sunday meeting, men on one side women on the other, no
instruments only a tuning fork, lunch was like going to church,
men fed first then the ladies ate, as a revelation it never
caught on with Helen ;) ;) ;) .
I've always held it's weak men that want women quiet, I did read
once that Paul, on women being silent, was because of the
women's tendency to shout out at the meetings to their husbands,
and each other , anyone else read that?
Historically the Jewish nation has adopted a male order,
seemingly on instruction from the Lord, the tabernacle ministry
a prime example. As Adam was the first created in Gods 'image'
and the woman formed from Adam that has seemed to be a pattern
but they both received the same early admonition to have
authority.
The adage "always listen to your wife" never really worked in
Adams favour, much of my learning has been based on the woman
being a type of the flesh and the man a type of the Spirit, but
in Christ they are neither male or female.
So when I'm in the Spirit I minister as Christ male, but when
I'm not in the Spirit but in the works of the flesh I become
'the woman'.
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Re: An Eye for an Eye
By: KerryD Date: October 18, 2025, 1:07 am
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=80.msg2493#msg2493
date=1760733970]
The adage "always listen to your wife" never really worked in
Adams favour, much of my learning has been based on the woman
being a type of the flesh and the man a type of the Spirit, but
in Christ they are neither male or female.[/quote]
I think I understand you. But remember h'adam was created both
male and female in the image of God? That has to mean God has a
feminine side. The word elohim suggests God is both too since
Eloh is goddess while the -im is a plural masculine ending. How
about God manifested is labelled male while God unmanifested is
female?
[quote]I've always held it's weak men that want women quiet, I
did read once that Paul, on women being silent, was because of
the women's tendency to shout out at the meetings to their
husbands, and each other , anyone else read that?
[/quote]
I have a a slightly different theory. In synagogues then, women
and men sat in separate sections. They still do in most
Orthodox Jewish synagogues. I figured the women spent more time
at home than the men so had less time to talk to each other in
other places, so they would be tempted to chit-chat with each
other during the service. I thought perhaps that was what Paul
was thinking about.
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