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Manchester Attack
By: Kerry Date: October 2, 2025, 9:26 am
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How sad that troubles abroad are affecting the UK. I ran across
the story at the BBC.
Starmer 'appalled' by Manchester attack on Jewish holy day
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrpxgk6x68o
Obviously, the attacker was either anti-Israel or anti-Jewish;
but how does this help the Palestinian cause? If anything,
attacks like this, if carried out by Palestinians or Arabs, are
likely to make the British people regret allowing Palestinians
to live in the UK.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Kerry Date: October 2, 2025, 10:59 am
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Details are still emerging. According to The Telegraph
HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/02/manchester-synagogue-stabbing-police/,<br
/>the attacker may have had a bomb. Bravery on the part of
security and some members of the synagogue prevented him from
entering the synagogue.
A photograph earlier emerged of the terrorist wearing what
appears to be a bullet proof vest and a possible bomb.
It is not clear if the device strapped to him was a viable
explosive device but a bomb disposal unit was sent to the scene.
Two firearms officers were seen on social media footage
surrounding a man on the ground, shouting at members of the
public to “get back, he has got a bomb”.
Moments later, the terrorist attempted to get to his feet before
officers shouted a warning and gun shots rang out.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Rita Date: October 2, 2025, 4:37 pm
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They thought he had a bomb but in the end it wasn’t anything
that would detinate, they think he was wearing it for effect, to
inflict fear. They have arrested three other people in
connection to what has happened, and now named the attacker as a
British citizen with Syrian decent. It’s likely that it was in
retaliation for what is going on in Gaza.
The actual area in Manchester is a mixture of Jewish and Muslim
residents, but apparently they all get on really well, so the
attack there has come with some surprise. The Jewish communities
in general though have feared something like this would happen
eventually.
Thankfully a member of the public reported the attack really
quickly and the people inside the synagogue locked themselves
inside, so some lives were protected.
Awful, and sad but I was equally saddened by the attack on the
Mormon church in Michigan at the weekend.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Kerry Date: October 2, 2025, 5:28 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=79.msg2360#msg2360
date=1759441028]
They thought he had a bomb but in the end it wasn’t anything
that would detinate, they think he was wearing it for effect, to
inflict fear.[/quote]So it wasn't a real bomb. That is good
news to me since I had been wondering how he could get the
explosive materials without the government knowing. I had been
asking myself if the government had been too lax -- so it's a
relief that the answer to that is no.
[quote]They have arrested three other people in connection to
what has happened, and now named the attacker as a British
citizen with Syrian decent. It’s likely that it was in
retaliation for what is going on in Gaza.[/quote]Am I wrong to
think the Brits were pressuring Israel to ease up in Gaza. I
also doubt many Jews in the UK or the US actually support what
the Netanyahu government is doing.
[quote]The actual area in Manchester is a mixture of Jewish and
Muslim residents, but apparently they all get on really well, so
the attack there has come with some surprise. The Jewish
communities in general though have feared something like this
would happen eventually. [/quote]Yes, football has a way of
dissolving bigotry among various groups since any team can have
several types of people; so it surprised me that it was
Manchester.
[quote]Thankfully a member of the public reported the attack
really quickly and the people inside the synagogue locked
themselves inside, so some lives were protected.
Awful, and sad but I was equally saddened by the attack on the
Mormon church in Michigan at the weekend.
[/quote]That guy was another nut. He had been a Trump supporter
at some time in the past according to The Guardian
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/29/mormon-church-shooting-trump-sign.<br
/> How strange since most Mormons are Republicans so why would a
Trump supporter be angry with them?
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Rita Date: October 3, 2025, 2:07 am
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=79.msg2361#msg2361
date=1759444086]
So it wasn't a real bomb. That is good news to me since I had
been wondering how he could get the explosive materials without
the government knowing. I had been asking myself if the
government had been too lax -- so it's a relief that the answer
to that is no.
We have had issues with bombs , the last one was at the
Manchester arena at the Ariana Grand concert - the terrorists
find ways to make home made ones. Not sure if the government can
keep a track on all products brought
Am I wrong to think the Brits were pressuring Israel to ease up
in Gaza. I also doubt many Jews in the UK or the US actually
support what the Netanyahu government is doing.
There are many over here who don’t agree with what Israel is
doing , I am one of them I equally know that many Jewish people
are not in agreement with what is going on. It’s the old problem
of getting at innocent people in order to satisfy some kind of
anger. Sadly, I heard yesterday that the Jewish people have been
coming under verbal attack ect for some years. That equally
happens the other way round as well, my sons best friend is from
the Middle East, so he looks like a Muslim, and that’s all it
takes for abuse to take place. He is not a Muslim and is such a
nice guy
Yes, football has a way of dissolving bigotry among various
groups since any team can have several types of people; so it
surprised me that it was Manchester.
Hmmm , it does, but as Manchester has two teams it can cause
rivalry of a different kind and we do still have football
hooligans and trouble makers
That guy was another nut. He had been a Trump supporter at some
time in the past according to The Guardian
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/29/mormon-church-shooting-trump-sign.<br
/> How strange since most Mormons are Republicans so why would a
Trump supporter be angry with them?
I read that the man in question was fearful that the Mormons
were going to take over the world because they were spreading
!!!!!!!
[/quote]
Sorry my iPad wouldn’t do separate quotes so I added my comments
in italic, but it isn’t very clear
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Kerry Date: October 3, 2025, 7:55 am
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=79.msg2362#msg2362
date=1759475233]
Sorry my iPad wouldn’t do separate quotes so I added my comments
in italic, but it isn’t very clear
[/quote]
It did make your comments quite small. I don't mind if you just
reply without separate quotes. It's easier that way for me too
to use paragraphs to indicate a change of subject.
Hooliganism is a problem; but I don't think it's racist, thank
goodness.
The man in Michigan had considered becoming a Mormon once. He
had dated a Mormon woman. My guess is she said she wouldn't
marry him if he didn't convert.
He had a wife and children. What are they going to do? A
Mormon asked himself that, went online and has raised over
$300,000 so far them.
HTML https://abcnews.go.com/US/day-saints-church-member-raises-300000-family-gunman/story?id=126160910
Asked why he set up the account for the family of a man who
targeted members of his faith, the 53-year-old Butler told ABC
News in a phone interview on Thursday, "It was actually pretty
simple."
"Jesus tells us that we should do this. We should love our
enemies, that we should mourn with those that mourn, that we
should care for the widow and the orphan," said Butler, a lawyer
and author of fantasy and science fiction books.
The Mormons have some strange beliefs; and I have mixed feelings
about their leaders; but the Mormons I have known were very
nice, decent people. They're doing something right.
It might be an idea for Jews in Manchester to consider. Did the
attacker have a wife and children? If so, having Jews help
provide for them might curb the antisemitism.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Rita Date: October 3, 2025, 10:39 am
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Hi Kerry
My teen idols were The Osmonds, and for awhile I went to a
Mormon church. I know there beliefs are a bit weird. My
favourite Osmond album was called ‘ The Plan ‘ and they wrote it
themselves, but it was the story of their faith. I have always
found them all, and the Mormons I encounter now, to be polite
and genuinely good people. However I have watch a few
documentaries of certain ‘ cults ‘ within the church that cross
lines with marriage and peadaphilia .
I read a testimony of a Mormon missionary who started to
question his faith and eventually came to faith in Christ. He
questioned the whole hierarchy within the church.
So, like you, I have mixed views.
There hasn’t been too much issued about the attacker, other than
his family have relayed that they did not agree with what he had
done. It doesn’t state if it was parents, siblings or children,
just states ‘ his family ‘.
Locally the security at our local synagogue has been issued
protective jackets ( in case of a knife attack ) My sons best
friends step father is one of security guards there.
I think the next few days/ weeks will determine which way this
is all going to go , with regards to reactions.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Kerry Date: October 4, 2025, 8:39 am
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Hi Rita,
More things are being discovered about the Manchester attacker
and his family.
He was out on bail on alleged rape charges according to The
Guardian
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-was-on-bail-for-alleged.<br
/> A comment from his father is in that story as well.
The attacker’s father, Faraj al-Shamie, described Thursday’s
terror attack as a “heinous act, which targeted peaceful,
innocent civilians” in a statement in which he said his family
wished to “fully distance” themselves from the atrocity.
It was later reported that Faraj al-Shamie – who has worked as
an emergency trauma surgeon for several non-governmental
organisations in conflict zones including South Sudan,
Afghanistan and Mali – had previously posted on his Facebook
page in support of the 7 October attacks on Israel, claiming
they had been perpetrated by “men of God on Earth” and
describing the attacks as a “miracle by all standards”.
The NY Post
HTML https://nypost.com/2025/10/03/world-news/father-of-manchester-synagogue-terrorist-jihad-al-shamie-praised-hamas-for-oct-7-slaughter/<br
/>also covered it.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Rita Date: October 4, 2025, 8:52 am
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Hi Kerry,
Yes, heard about him being out on bail, not sure about the
father thing as it came up on Facebook and that could be AI or
fake news - it’s not come through on any news outlets - so I
keep an open mind on that aspect of ‘ News ‘ as not sure of its
source.
They have protest marches today, against what is happening in
Gaza. They tried to stop them out of respect, but they have gone
ahead.
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Re: Manchester Attack
By: Kerry Date: October 4, 2025, 9:14 am
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=79.msg2366#msg2366
date=1759585969]
Hi Kerry,
Yes, heard about him being out on bail, not sure about the
father thing as it came up on Facebook and that could be AI or
fake news - it’s not come through on any news outlets - so I
keep an open mind on that aspect of ‘ News ‘ as not sure of its
source.
They have protest marches today, against what is happening in
Gaza. They tried to stop them out of respect, but they have gone
ahead.
[/quote]
I tend to trust what I read in the Guardian. So when they
covered it, I figured it was probably true. I think it's true
his father posted some nasty inflammatory words on Facebook.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-was-on-bail-for-alleged<br
/> Then there's the question if he sent a death threat when he w
as
sixteen to someone running for Parliament. That's also in the
Guardian article.
Let's hope the protest marches are peaceful. I expect they will
be.
Have you ever noticed how most terrorists are men? I'm sure you
have; and very few of them are in marriages with happy wives. I
tend not to trust the judgment of men in marriages with unhappy
wives. If the men want to be the boss, they should know how to
make their wives happy. But politics is full of men with
unhappy or broken marriages -- they can't produce peace in their
own households so why trust them to do what is best for us? We
used to have a Leader of the Senate who didn't divorce his wife
-- I think she lived in their basement -- but when he needed her
to attend some function, she'd dress up and play the happy wife.
It made good photos; but everyone in Washington knew it was a
fraud.
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