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God through the ages
By: Pat Date: August 15, 2025, 10:35 am
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Reading my devotional this morning I wondered how people can not
believe in God when the same God is described in every book of
the bible - 66 of them – written by vastly different people from
Moses right through till the gospels, epistles and revelation.
And they all, in their own day and age, see the same God.
For thousands of years right to the present day there have been
descriptions of God's grace and love; his forgiveness and
faithfulness. And these descriptions from vastly differing
folk from all ages and all walks of life.
And yet people still won't believe.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Kerry Date: August 15, 2025, 2:11 pm
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[quote author=Pat link=topic=75.msg2245#msg2245 date=1755272127]
Reading my devotional this morning I wondered how people can not
believe in God when the same God is described in every book of
the bible - 66 of them – written by vastly different people from
Moses right through till the gospels, epistles and revelation.
And they all, in their own day and age, see the same God.
For thousands of years right to the present day there have been
descriptions of God's grace and love; his forgiveness and
faithfulness. And these descriptions from vastly differing
folk from all ages and all walks of life.
And yet people still won't believe.
[/quote]This makes me think of the story about the Prodigal Son,
so I'm wondering if they don't really believe or if they want to
ignore God. Perhaps they need to crash and burn, facing ruin,
before they're willing to give up on pursuing their own ways?
Perhaps when they discover their own ways don't work, they'll be
ready to turn to God.
It also makes me wonder what role the religious hypocrites play.
I believe they make non-Christians say to themselves, "If
that's what believing in God does for you, I want no part of
it." I would hate to be in the shoes of those hypocrites on
Judgement Day after they made others stumble. They may be be
judged more harshly than the non-religious.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Mike Waters Date: August 16, 2025, 1:16 am
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SO
Is it the message of Christianity that the vast majority of
mankind will spend eternity suffering in 'The Lake of Fire'
(described in Revelation as being Reserved solely for the Devil,
the Beast, and the False Prophet)?
And would that also include those who have declined 'efficacious
Faith in Christ as their Saviour', despite their being unable to
do so due to premature death or Mental incapacity, or those who
have never seen a Bible or heard the Gospel invitation due to
geographic isolation)?
If that is so, then "Turn again Wittington" or count me out.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Rita Date: August 16, 2025, 1:16 am
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[quote author=Pat link=topic=75.msg2245#msg2245 date=1755272127]
Reading my devotional this morning I wondered how people can not
believe in God when the same God is described in every book of
the bible - 66 of them – written by vastly different people from
Moses right through till the gospels, epistles and revelation.
And they all, in their own day and age, see the same God.
For thousands of years right to the present day there have been
descriptions of God's grace and love; his forgiveness and
faithfulness. And these descriptions from vastly differing
folk from all ages and all walks of life.
And yet people still won't believe.
[/quote]
Maybe this proves that there is more to believing in God than
just a choice or observation. Our coming to faith wasn’t without
the Holy Spirit working within us and others praying. Anyone can
read a Bible but isn’t it with Spiritual help that we grasp its
truth. Everyone has a gaping hole within them that only God can
fill, hence why everyone will search for something to fill that
void without even realising it’s God they need. Also the
suffering in the world , if you don’t have spiritual eyes open,
doesn’t particular help to prove that there is a God. Without
understanding the bigger picture, spiritual warfare, sin ect If
God exists why doesn’t he act ( I have heard that quite a few
times from non believers ) Also we know the Bible is a living
word and still relevant, non believers often believe it is an
archaic book that finished 2000 years ago.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Rita Date: August 16, 2025, 1:23 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=75.msg2247#msg2247
date=1755324967]
SO is it the message of Christianity that the vast majority of
mankind will spend eternity suffering in 'The Lake of Fire'
(described in Revelation as being Reserved only for the Devil,
the Beast, and the False Prophet)?
And would that also include those who have declined 'efficatious
Faith in Christ as their Saviour', despite their being unable to
do so due to premature death or Mental incapacity, or those who
have never seen a Bible or heard the Gospel invitation due to
geographic isolation)?
If that is so, then "turn again Dick Wittington" or count me
out.
[/quote]
I agree with you about who the lake of fire is reserved for xx
Also the Old Testament is pretty difficult to get with all the
violence at times, but Pats talking about people believing in
God. Where as the above is perhaps more about ‘ What kind of God
‘ people may believe in.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Kerry Date: August 16, 2025, 11:19 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=75.msg2247#msg2247
date=1755324967]
SO
Is it the message of Christianity that the vast majority of
mankind will spend eternity suffering in 'The Lake of Fire'
(described in Revelation as being Reserved solely for the Devil,
the Beast, and the False Prophet)?
And would that also include those who have declined 'efficacious
Faith in Christ as their Saviour', despite their being unable to
do so due to premature death or Mental incapacity, or those who
have never seen a Bible or heard the Gospel invitation due to
geographic isolation)?
If that is so, then "Turn again Wittington" or count me out.
[/quote]This idea of burning eternally seems to have come out
when church leaders wanted to terrorize people into obeying them
without question. Disobeying them could mean burning eternally.
Are "hell" and the "lake of fire" are the same thing? Is so,
what did John mean when he wrote:
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is
the second death.
So it seems that hell has an end.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Dave Date: August 19, 2025, 12:53 pm
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When Jesus said it is finished I wonder what he mean't, it
certainly didn't mean 'the end'.
A friend preached on the 8th covering in the tabernacle that
Moses built according to a pattern, 8 being a number of a new
beginning.
Did 'it is finished' usher in a new beginning to all man kind??
So that raises as John was not of Paul's revelation, could
John's Rev be 'tainted' by the truths of an old covenant? As we
know the Spirit giveth life but the letter killeth.
There will be a time when every knee 'will' bow and every tongue
will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; I believe that will be
the end.
And there will be no unbelievers then Pat. What will that take,
only God knows and we will only know then.
As the old song says, "When we ALL get to -------"
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Re: God through the ages
By: Kerry Date: August 19, 2025, 11:38 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=75.msg2262#msg2262
date=1755626027]
When Jesus said it is finished I wonder what he mean't, it
certainly didn't mean 'the end'.
A friend preached on the 8th covering in the tabernacle that
Moses built according to a pattern, 8 being a number of a new
beginning.
Did 'it is finished' usher in a new beginning to all man kind??
So that raises as John was not of Paul's revelation, could
John's Rev be 'tainted' by the truths of an old covenant? As we
know the Spirit giveth life but the letter killeth.
There will be a time when every knee 'will' bow and every tongue
will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; I believe that will be
the end.
And there will be no unbelievers then Pat. What will that take,
only God knows and we will only know then.
As the old song says, "When we ALL get to -------"
[/quote]I would think he meant his "day" in a material body was
done. I'd also say Day Four was finished. If a thousand years
is as a day, we can read the seven days given in Genesis as
prophecy. Many Jews do just that.
He showed his Light at the Transfiguration; but after that,
thereafter his Light would be seen only by those with spiritual
eyes. Indeed, after the Resurrection, I do not think anyone who
was not a believer saw him.
The next era was shown by his disciples taking over his work
here on the earth. He was passing the torch. Thus he told
John, "Behold your mother."
I would also say Day Eight, if we want to call it that is when
time is no more, after about six thousand years of working for
the salvation of man and the thousand year rest of the
millennium. That is when the whole thing wraps up, it seems.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh
angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should
be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until
the thousand years were finished. This is the first
resurrection.
By the way, if you tilt an eight on its side, it is the symbol
for infinity. That seems fitting for the entering of the whole
planet into eternity.
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Re: God through the ages
By: Mike Waters Date: August 19, 2025, 11:44 pm
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Good post Kerry.
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