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Re: King David
By: Rita Date: August 3, 2025, 4:56 am
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Hi Kerry,
Will have to give your post some thoughts, sorry for not
responding sooner. I must admit I tend to take many things at
face value in scripture, often just see certain things but other
things go over my head a bit.
Rita
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Re: King David
By: Rita Date: August 3, 2025, 5:20 am
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It states in my notes that the reference to her being clean was
to relay that she had a period, to clarify that she could not
have already been pregnant. Also when re reading the part about
David seeing Bathsheba, it doesn’t actually state that she was
on her roof bathing. So he could have seen her through a window.
For me it shows the progression of temptation and how the
consequences mount up. It doesn’t state that Uriah was
blaspheming, but shows that David himself was not where the ark
was, it was in the field camp, rather than in the tent David had
placed in Jerusalem.
To me Uriah was more dedicated than David.
The Lord condemns him for ‘ despising the word of God ‘ -By his
actions he broke the 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th commandments. In
comparison to Jesus who fulfilled the law.
David was the nearest ‘ king ‘ to Jesus, but it shows that he
also fell from grace.
That is what this , to me, is all about. He forgot that God sees
everything, he may have been blessed by God, may have been. Man
after his own heart, but like most people since the fall he was
fallible and open to temptation.
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Re: King David
By: Kerry Date: August 3, 2025, 3:06 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=71.msg2188#msg2188
date=1754216408]
It states in my notes that the reference to her being clean was
to relay that she had a period, to clarify that she could not
have already been pregnant. Also when re reading the part about
David seeing Bathsheba, it doesn’t actually state that she was
on her roof bathing. So he could have seen her through a window.
[/quote]
Yes, she definitely wasn't pregnant; and I find it odd she could
get pregnant so soon after her period. The text doesn't say
some things however. Like how long did it take for David to
meet her? I had assumed he did it immediately; but now I'm not
sure.
I have a question for you: Would you use a bath like that?
Most wouldn't; so most houses are built to make sure bathers
have privacy. Most of those cleansing baths were below the
ground level since they required "living waters" the way
Christian baptisms do. So they'd likely be close to a spring. I
found photos of mikvehs too which influenced my opinion.
HTML https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4a5398bc0a8d2c71&sxsrf=AE3TifNSyiXsK68RlfAaiGu7d5mmTb0r5A:1754250662162&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeiAkWG4OlBE2zyCTMjPbGmMU8EWskMk2JSE__efdUJ3x5PHHJ1XtsYw_dXlK4AaMpdZjoKouBpMvLJxFUxgNIVkfIvAejzi4P5B6rQ1mxgYB2ZlaQIlULa8gi01jny3M6crZ-vLiSFJixWQKdA-Z9HMT-4g_poG2rFglR0EYoSi-idowIg&q=mikveh&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivs8L8tO-OAxWTLFkFHYQrEaYQtKgLegQIFRAB&biw=1366&bih=613&dpr=1
[quote]For me it shows the progression of temptation and how the
consequences mount up. It doesn’t state that Uriah was
blaspheming, but shows that David himself was not where the ark
was, it was in the field camp, rather than in the tent David had
placed in Jerusalem.
To me Uriah was more dedicated than David.[/quote]
I'm not sure why David was in Jerusalem.
Perhaps I should have cited passages about blasphemy. The false
charges Jezebel cooked up about Naboth involved blasphemy
against God and against the king.
1 Kings 21:10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to
bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and
the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may
die.
Using the name in vain carried the death penalty while
blaspheming the ruler did not.
Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler
of thy people.
Isaiah 7:21 21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead
and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be
hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and
their God, and look upward.
[quote]The Lord condemns him for ‘ despising the word of God ‘
-By his actions he broke the 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th
commandments. In comparison to Jesus who fulfilled the law.
David was the nearest ‘ king ‘ to Jesus, but it shows that he
also fell from grace.
That is what this , to me, is all about. He forgot that God sees
everything, he may have been blessed by God, may have been. Man
after his own heart, but like most people since the fall he was
fallible and open to temptation.
[/quote]He learned from the experience too.
[quote author=Rita link=topic=71.msg2187#msg2187
date=1754214997]
Hi Kerry,
Will have to give your post some thoughts, sorry for not
responding sooner. I must admit I tend to take many things at
face value in scripture, often just see certain things but other
things go over my head a bit.
Rita
[/quote]I was saying to one of my sisters that the older I get,
the less I am sure I know. That is better than thinking we know
when we don't.
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Re: King David
By: Rita Date: August 3, 2025, 5:11 pm
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Hi Kerry
just about to settle down as it’s late here in the U.K.- In
response to just one question you asked about bathing, I don’t
have baths anymore I just have showers. However I would always
prefer to have privacy. When I was in Germany recently and went
to the gym and swimming pool they had communal showers, that was
a bit of a culture shock !!!!!!!
With Bathsheba, I am presuming she was bathing when David saw
her, maybe that reference was equally about the cleansing, maybe
he saw her after she had bathed. Also I did check and you can
become pregnant in the week following a period, but the chance
is much lower.
I will think about what else you have shared in the morning xxx
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Re: King David
By: Kerry Date: August 5, 2025, 1:34 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=71.msg2190#msg2190
date=1754259108]
Hi Kerry
just about to settle down as it’s late here in the U.K.- In
response to just one question you asked about bathing, I don’t
have baths anymore I just have showers. However I would always
prefer to have privacy. When I was in Germany recently and went
to the gym and swimming pool they had communal showers, that was
a bit of a culture shock !!!!!!! [/quote]
I think most people think the way you do about privacy.
[quote]With Bathsheba, I am presuming she was bathing when David
saw her, maybe that reference was equally about the cleansing,
maybe he saw her after she had bathed. Also I did check and you
can become pregnant in the week following a period, but the
chance is much lower.
I will think about what else you have shared in the morning xxx
[/quote]It does say he saw her bathing. Could that mean
afterwards? I tend to think he watched for a while.
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Re: King David
By: Dave Date: August 5, 2025, 5:37 pm
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Thanks Rita and Kerry for your input into the King D and B
saga, there’s a scripture in Isaiah that
reads Chp 6 vs 12 & 13 Isaiah asks ‘ Lord how long? Until cities
wasted, and a great forsaking in the midst of the land,
unfortunately we know of so many saints, pastors and leaders
whose children were in the ‘way’ but have now completely
forsaken their faith, a pastor we know of, one of his daughters
is know a leader in the Atheist community and the writer of
several books on Atheism. Could this be a part of a generation
of those forsaking the way?
Vs 13 But yet in it shall a tenth, and it shall return, and
shall be eaten: as a tail tree, and as an oak, whose substance
is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the “holy seed”
shall be the substance thereof.
As for me neither of them pled innocent so are they in essence
both guilty? and the price paid was the death of a loyal soldier
and Bathsheba’s first child by David but the ‘holy seed’ shall
be the substance thereof.
The sad thing is it was all down hill for David from there on;
now if he had gone out to battle as Kings were wont to do in
that day, did the Lord only have plan A for the generational
seed like the A and E thing in the garden?
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Re: King David
By: Kerry Date: August 7, 2025, 3:45 pm
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I've another question about King David. Has Shiloh come
already?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a
lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him
shall the gathering of the people be.
Who is "thy" in Psalm 45? That psalm was written about David,
not by him.
Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre
of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
I am one of those people who believe the kings and queens of
England are descended from David. The only odd thing about it
to me is the sceptre is not always a father-son thing.
Has anyone else heard of this idea? It seems that Jeremiah
might have been involved too. I can find those passages if
anyone's interested.
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Re: King David
By: Rita Date: August 7, 2025, 6:14 pm
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Curious , why do you think it’s the Kings and Queens of England
and not other Royal blood lines ?
I must admit that I have never considered the descendents of
David after Jesus because he is the one true King.
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Re: King David
By: Kerry Date: August 7, 2025, 7:39 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=71.msg2213#msg2213
date=1754608485]
Curious , why do you think it’s the Kings and Queens of England
and not other Royal blood lines ?
I must admit that I have never considered the descendents of
David after Jesus because he is the one true King.
[/quote]There is a story about on elderly man with a (white?)
beard coming to England. The story doesn't give his name; but
he brought one or two girls with him; and one married into the
royal line. For my money, that would have been Jeremiah -- and
I'll have to look up the passages in the Bible that suggest
that.
A second point is the continuity of the British royal line. I
think every other royal line went defunct at some point. Some
had usurpers overthrow them, and some died out. When one line
inside of England got replace, we see the House of Hanover
coming from Germany; but King George I's mother was a
granddaughter of James I. William the Conqueror also had blood
from the royal line. True enough, his parents hadn't been
married so being illegitimate caused him some grief; but his
father and Edward the Confessor were cousins. I'm not sure
exactly who's who there; but I found site that gives the family
tree.
HTML https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/explore/kings-and-queens-a-family-tree
There are various explanations about the origin of the Stone of
Scone too. One has the Prophet Jeremiah bringing it to Ireland;
but the truth is geologists have shown it was quarried close to
Scone. Still, I find it fascinating that Jeremiah was
considered a possibility at one point.
Is Jesus the king of the world now? He said his kingdom was not
of this world; and someday I think he will come to rule the
whole world, but for now, I think it's the British sovereigns on
the earthly throne of David.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone#Origin_and_legends
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Re: King David
By: Dave Date: August 7, 2025, 11:20 pm
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Ten bells here and the grey cells are in sleep mode BUT the
appetite is whetted as they say, “whoever they are” to read your
links, this has the scent of British Israel who had a shop I
think in Eastbourne.
Nite, nite.
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