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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Dave Date: November 14, 2025, 2:33 pm
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When in doubt, post in one’s corner.
I know Kerry posted on this theme but I couldn’t remember where.
I came across “ before the foundation of the world and before
the ages of time”
William Hocking wrote, “ Nothing more effectually baffles the
mind of man than the conception of eternity before the world
began.
Scripture is comparatively silent about the eternal past.
John does record some red letter stuff, Jn 17vs 24, “Father (as
to) those whom Thou hast given Me, I desire that where I am they
also may be with Me that they may behold My glory which Thou
hast given Me, for Thou lovedst Me before (the) foundation of
(the) world “
So can we deduce that “ man” was created in accordance with that
expression of purpose, whenever determined before the ages of
time ?
Jn Darby penned,
What raised the wondrous thought,
Or who did it suggest,
That we, the church, to glory bought,
Should with the Son be blest.
O God, the thought was a thine,
Taking only it could be,
Fruit of thy wisdom, love divine,
Peculiar unto Thee.
Followed by, Robert Robinson “Come, thou fount of every
blessing”
Except it never works on my I-Pad.
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Mike Waters Date: November 14, 2025, 6:11 pm
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As I've posted many time before, try "Earth's earliest ages by G
H Pember".
J N Darby was not the only supporter of the 'Gap Theory'.
"The gap theory, or ruin-reconstruction theory, is a theological
interpretation of Genesis that proposes a large time gap between
Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. It suggests God created an initial world
which was then destroyed due to Satan's rebellion, and the
"formless and void" earth described in Genesis 1:2 is the result
of this destruction, leading to a six-day "re-creation" that
fills this gap with millions of years of geological history.
This theory was developed to reconcile the biblical creation
account with geological evidence of an ancient Earth."
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: KerryD Date: November 15, 2025, 2:53 am
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=7.msg2630#msg2630 date=1763152417]
When in doubt, post in one’s corner.
I know Kerry posted on this theme but I couldn’t remember where.
[/quote]
Perhaps I posted that the word translated as "was" could mean
"became" in English. It is translated that way several times in
other places.
HTML https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h1961/kjv/wlc/0-1/
This topic intersects with the "mind of Christ" too, I think.
It's so complex I feel reluctant to go into it; but let me give
it a stab. The rebellion on the earth was motivated by "space
aliens" with the individual we call Satan now leading it. Some
other planets had already fallen -- and these today are more
negative in astrology than than others. I believe Satan came
from Saturn. When this earth fell, forces came from other
places to help us. I believe Jesus came from Venus or led a
band of angles from Venus. It may be appropriate then to call
him the Morning Star.
When the earth became empty and void, life was corrupted. God's
purpose for earth was at risk. Thus Eden was established as kind
of "safe" place for the race of man. History would have been
vastly different had Adam and Eve defeated the serpent; but
God's plan for the planet included that possibility. It would
just be harder.
I figure the 144,000 came from Venus. The number 288 in Genesis
1 may show that too. Luria thought the number referred to 288
Holy Sparks while I'd say it refers to the 144,000 doubled for
male and female halves.
HTML https://www.biblegematria.com/288-holy-sparks.html
Why did Jesus tell the Pharisees then that they were from
beneath?
John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from
above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
That was because of improper marriages introducing the seed of
the serpent into the Levitical tribe. They had not fallen in
the days of Moses so were chosen to act as priests for the rest
of Israel. A woman could easily convert to being "Jewish" and
become part of Israel; but it was still possible for a woman to
lie in order to infiltrate Israel. To prevent that, priests
were not permitted to marry converts or even women from the
other eleven tribes or their offspring.
Back to Genesis now: You have likely noticed that the oldest
son is often not the best; but on this earth, the fallen race
has the birthright. Thus I say Cain was from the fallen race
while Abel was not. The same applies to Esau and Jacob. The
tragedy, of course, is that God's chosen ones had access to the
Holy Spirit -- or call it the Christ Spirit if you like. Cain
and Esau were not of the elect ones -- rather they were given
the opportunity to be born in godly families. Gentiles could be
added to the original Israel, indeed that was the plan from the
beginning. If they resisted the temptation of the serpent but
chose to seek the good, then they could receive the Holy Spirit
-- as a spiritual covering.
If the eldest son breaks God's rules -- and some laws are
immutable even in fallen cultures -- he can lose his birthright.
Abel could not immediately replace Cain, but the next son Seth
could and did. Esau was replaced, of course, by Jacob. This is
not meant to denigrate either Cain or Esau; on the contrary,
replacing the spiritual leaders (both material and non-material)
of the Gentiles is good for the Gentiles. Love is the motive,
wanting Gentiles to know and accept God so they can cease
wandering about deceived by the serpent. Paul writes:
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be
able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
places.
So what was Jesus doing in Genesis? I'd say he had been born as
Abel; and when he offered a "lamb," I'd say he made the correct
sacrifice, offering up his whole being a servant devoted to
obedience to Heaven.
Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken
and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight
in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of
the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to
hearken than the fat of rams.
Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the
foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world
hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Helen Date: November 16, 2025, 11:03 pm
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Wow, so much to think upon in this thread! Still musing….
( I too am a believer in the gap theory )
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Mike Waters Date: November 16, 2025, 11:38 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=7.msg2633#msg2633
date=1763355825]
Wow, so much to think upon in this thread! Still musing….
( I too am a believer in the gap theory )
[/quote]
Some interpretations render Isaiah 45:18 as "For thus saith the
Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth
and made it; he hath established it, he created it not a void"
"Some proponents interpret the Hebrew verb "was" in Genesis 1:2
("the earth was without form and void") as "became" ("the earth
became without form and void"), suggesting a change of state
rather than a description of the initial state." (extract from
Al overview)
Is not the alterative interpretation of "was" as "became" also a
'Kerry' speciality?
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Dave Date: November 17, 2025, 11:05 am
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Mike, using my prolific large grey cells like Hercule P, all I
could pull up on Mr Pember and his gap theory was; his books
seem rare and hard to find, this is a Macedonian call!!!!!
Unlike Helen who likes everything in place,tied with a pretty
bow, ie the Dinosaurs etc. My early christianity was more like,
O K Lord what do we do today????
Now it's Lord help me out of bed and get me through this day ;D
;D ;D .
But the eternity before this world age was, has definitely
piqued my interest, especially those chosen in the "before"
state. Not to many songs on the eternity before but lots on the
future eternity.
Kerry I really enjoyed reading your 'stab' topic.
I had a Scottish mate who preached a word on biblical astrology
but religious fear pervaded and he was not well received.
I liked the Abel type-ology, like Helen, still mulling. Thanks.
Everyone have a blessed week, thought for the week, "Listen to
the music not the noise"
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: KerryD Date: November 17, 2025, 7:54 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=7.msg2635#msg2635 date=1763399146]
Kerry I really enjoyed reading your 'stab' topic.
I had a Scottish mate who preached a word on biblical astrology
but religious fear pervaded and he was not well received.
I liked the Abel type-ology, like Helen, still mulling.
Thanks.[/quote]
There is definitely a sinful type of astrology which undermines
our freedom to choose. I don't do charts anymore; but I'll give
you an example. I might notice something in a married man's
chart and see that he might be tested. His sexual charm may
increase, and he may find himself surrounded by ladies trying to
seduce him. The sinful type of astrology would encourage him to
take advantage of this. The correct type would warn him that he
was being tested.
The lights in the firmament were meant for signs and seasons.
The solar cycle is easy to spot. The others are harder to see;
but they are meant for that. I also do not see the "lights"
mentioned as being physical These lights could be called stars,
and I see them as righteous spirits assigned to earth to govern
its cycles. They are also called the "angels" of the seven
churches in Revelation.
Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest
in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven
stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven
candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
The saints, when perfected, will also take their places as
stars.
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness
of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as
the stars for ever and ever.
Matthew 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in
the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him
hear.
Here's another quote for you about the lamb and the foundation
of the world.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship
him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb
slain from the foundation of the world.
I cannot tell you if Jesus was Abel; but I firmly believe he was
the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
It is also interesting to note that "books" or "scrolls" then
were written on the bark of trees. If "man" is a "tree of the
field" as one passage says, is it possible that the 144,000
formed a tree, the Tree of Life? The "book of life" may be
written on the "Tree of Life."
Note too it does not say that everyone except the 144,0000 will
be fooled. Gentiles who had their names added would not be
fooled.
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: KerryD Date: November 17, 2025, 8:03 pm
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=7.msg2634#msg2634
date=1763357915]
Some interpretations render Isaiah 45:18 as "For thus saith the
Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth
and made it; he hath established it, he created it not a void"
"Some proponents interpret the Hebrew verb "was" in Genesis 1:2
("the earth was without form and void") as "became" ("the earth
became without form and void"), suggesting a change of state
rather than a description of the initial state." (extract from
Al overview)
Is not the alterative interpretation of "was" as "became" also a
'Kerry' speciality?
[/quote]I think Isaiah clinches it, telling us it should be
"became" and not "was."
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Mike Waters Date: November 18, 2025, 5:38 am
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=7.msg2635#msg2635 date=1763399146]
Mike, using my prolific large grey cells like Hercule P, all I
could pull up on Mr Pember and his gap theory was; his books
seem rare and hard to find, this is a Macedonian call!!!!!
[/quote]
I had Pember's Book in my early years of indoctrination.
Long ago it disappeared from my collection.
My recollection is that it was a very heavy and stodgy 'read',
as were all 'strict' denominational epistles from the early
'Reformation' era.
Bullinger's Hyper Dispensationalism is another example.
The seed beds of Denominational expansion IMO.
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Re: Dave’s Corner .
By: Dave Date: December 3, 2025, 11:04 am
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Well here we are into December, just came in from shovelling 3"
of snow from an area of 10yds by 30yds into an assortment of
heaps, refreshed myself with toast and coffee, and was thinking
is there much difference between frustration and impatience????
Yesterday at Safeway I was in the line that I considered the
shortest after checking all the rest, I have only two ladies in
front of me, I place my one purchase on the counter, and made
sure I put the divider behind, the last time in this store I
put the divider between and the guy behind me picked it up and
tossed it away, I gave him my best non christian stare and a
flicker of recognition registered, I had read that morning that
a man who knifed to death 4 young people and injured 7 more was
seeking to be fully released back into society as a normal
person, He lives very near this store, the system has over time
given him more and more liberty but for the dead there is no
such liberty. As one tends to do I thought this will be quick
the ladies only had 4 articles but my checker out was a man
given to much verbosity and his gifting was in top gear with the
ladies, so it raised the question was I frustrated or very
impatient?? or just plain 'self'ish.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9_kfnEw40&list=RDxH9_kfnEw40&start_radio=1
WHAT am I doing wrong, that with a song there comes a full menu
of other stuff, puzzled in Calgary.
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