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#Post#: 1551--------------------------------------------------
Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Helen Date: May 27, 2025, 2:48 pm
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I have nothing profound to say , but I just wanted to bounce
this subject over here .
It’s an interesting subject , too good to just get a mention
then dropped by other thoughts overshadowing it by other
subjects .
We probably all agree that the Tree of Life found in Revelation
is Christ Himself.
( God is everything, He’s is light , He is thick darkness , He
is Father, Creator, Saviour …and the list goes on)
Do I understand why He sets a Tree of Life in the garden , then
bars the way to it incase they eat ( and are stuck ) No.
I don’t even understand how much is literal in the garden , and
now much figurative , or if there is both ..a serpent, possessed
by Satan Himself …
I just thought that Maybe we can throw our thoughts here , and
maybe together we can grasp it a bit clearer .
One person I know , when subjects like this came up, he just
say “ Does it matter ?”
I think that if God bothered to say it , then He maybe wanted us
to search out the matter .
Here we are …
#Post#: 1556--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Mike Waters Date: May 27, 2025, 3:32 pm
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Me, I'm worn out.
And in my state will not have recovered enough to do the subject
justice.
Lets hope it gets many responses which I can pick up on later.
ZZZZZZzzzzz snore.
#Post#: 1597--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Kerry Date: May 29, 2025, 1:21 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=48.msg1551#msg1551
date=1748375312]
I have nothing profound to say , but I just wanted to bounce
this subject over here .
It’s an interesting subject , too good to just get a mention
then dropped by other thoughts overshadowing it by other
subjects .
We probably all agree that the Tree of Life found in Revelation
is Christ Himself.
( God is everything, He’s is light , He is thick darkness , He
is Father, Creator, Saviour …and the list goes on)
Do I understand why He sets a Tree of Life in the garden , then
bars the way to it incase they eat ( and are stuck ) No.
I don’t even understand how much is literal in the garden , and
now much figurative , or if there is both ..a serpent, possessed
by Satan Himself …
I just thought that Maybe we can throw our thoughts here , and
maybe together we can grasp it a bit clearer .
One person I know , when subjects like this came up, he just
say “ Does it matter ?”
I think that if God bothered to say it , then He maybe wanted us
to search out the matter .
Here we are …
[/quote]I believe the Garden of Eden and the Holy City are the
same thing. In physical terms, what kind of tree would be the
closest? I suppose it would be the ficus religiosa type of
figs. I assume that is why Adam and Eve made aprons out of "fig
leaves."
Now today many not have not have access to the fruit of the Tree
of Life; but I think there is a way they get leaves.
Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life,
clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the
Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the
river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of
fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the
tree were for the healing of the nations.
That is a very odd verse by the way since it seems to say the
Tree of Life is growing on both sides of the river. That is
another reason I think this Tree of Life is similar to the ficus
religiosa. One tree can put out branches, and those branches
put out what is called aerial roots and it looks as if there are
two or more trees -- but they are all connected.
In the world to come, I believe this Tree will cover the entire
earth. It will make branches and drop roots down to the earth
and keep going. The river which is a spiritual one to me was
said in Genesis to go out of Eden and become four rivers. That
is a clue it's not talking about a physical river. Rather it is
a spiritual river that spread out over the earth in four
directions to provide the Water of Life, perhaps in limited
quantities. Perhaps access to this Water was cut off at the
time of Noah when people who turned to evil could still drink of
it and thus lived so long that their evil became horrendous. The
firmament put into place would have stopped sinful people from
reaching the Spiritual Waters in the spiritual realm.
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Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Pat Date: May 29, 2025, 3:28 pm
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Helen said:
[quote] "Do I understand why He sets a Tree of Life in the
garden , then bars the way to it in case they eat ( and are
stuck ) No."[/quote]
I've always thought that God put a guard on the Tree of Life
after Adam and Eve sinned by eating the fruit of the forbidden
tree in orderto prevent them having eternal life.
They had probably eaten of the tree of life already and my
theory is that that is the reason why so many of their
descendants had very long lives.
As to the whereabouts of the actual tree I have no idea.
Perhaps it is still there and still guarded, or even invisible
to the human eye.
God is God and all powerful and nothing is impossible to Him.
#Post#: 1624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Dave Date: May 30, 2025, 2:58 pm
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I always seem to have a great vacillation on the seven day
creation, is it just the case of, 'first the natural then----'
but just how literal was it?
An interesting thought Pat (greetings in his name) that they
might have already eaten of the T of Life, never considered that
and then given longevity to their following family.
My menu on the creation week has always been it was a God setup,
A and E were pawns in Gods game for restoring faith lost in the
garden.
A and E like the garden seem to fade away and it's not until
Moses who then gives the garden account.
Why was there need for a tree of life, Adam was created by the
Word, Wo-man from the side of Adam, they were a form of light,
provided for by every tree except----. and had fellowship in
'the cool' of the evening, which speaks of a literal form of an
encounter.
My money is on the Word being the tree of life, how do you like
those apples ::) ::) ::) .
Kerry (Greetings from Calgary) the garden and the city that
Abram looked for, another not thought of for me, how do you tie
them together in crumb form?
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Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Kerry Date: May 30, 2025, 4:28 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=48.msg1624#msg1624
date=1748635084]
I always seem to have a great vacillation on the seven day
creation, is it just the case of, 'first the natural then----'
but just how literal was it?
An interesting thought Pat (greetings in his name) that they
might have already eaten of the T of Life, never considered that
and then given longevity to their following family.
My menu on the creation week has always been it was a God setup,
A and E were pawns in Gods game for restoring faith lost in the
garden.
A and E like the garden seem to fade away and it's not until
Moses who then gives the garden account.
Why was there need for a tree of life, Adam was created by the
Word, Wo-man from the side of Adam, they were a form of light,
provided for by every tree except----. and had fellowship in
'the cool' of the evening, which speaks of a literal form of an
encounter.
My money is on the Word being the tree of life, how do you like
those apples ::) ::) ::) .
Kerry (Greetings from Calgary) the garden and the city that
Abram looked for, another not thought of for me, how do you tie
them together in crumb form?
[/quote]I am short of time at the moment; but here is something
to think about. Deuteronomy 20:19 is mangled in nearly every
translation. First the KJV:
When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war
against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof
by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and
thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's
life) to employ them in the siege:
Young's Literal Translation is closer:
`When thou layest siege unto a city many days, to fight against
it, to capture it, thou dost not destroy its trees to force an
axe against them, for of them thou dost eat, and them thou dost
not cut down -- for man's [is] the tree of the field -- to go in
at thy presence in the siege.
HTML https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2020%3A19
Closer but still not quite there. Remove the apostrophe -- and
it would be correct: "Man is a tree of the field." It sounds so
impossible translators didn't dare translate it correctly. Check
out the original: "Life" isn't in the original text at all.
HTML https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/deu/20/19/p0/t_conc_173019
Now jump forward to something in the New Testament. Did Jesus
botch a healing here? I say no, I see a bit of comedy in the
passage. The tree of the field is adam -- so it says. We can
say Jesus is the root, but adam and others are also part of the
same tree.
Mark 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man
unto him, and besought him to touch him.
23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the
town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon
him, he asked him if he saw ought.
24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him
look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
So what happened? Well, I believe the blind man was seeing
with spiritual sight, the way angels might see us. He
misunderstood what it meant to "see." Jesus could have left
him that way, but it probably would have made the man's life
more difficult seeing spiritually alone than being blind both
spiritually and physically so Jesus touched him and got him to
see the way men and women see things.
I hope to get more time later.
#Post#: 1629--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Kerry Date: May 31, 2025, 1:36 am
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=48.msg1624#msg1624
date=1748635084]
I always seem to have a great vacillation on the seven day
creation, is it just the case of, 'first the natural then----'
but just how literal was it?
An interesting thought Pat (greetings in his name) that they
might have already eaten of the T of Life, never considered that
and then given longevity to their following family.
My menu on the creation week has always been it was a God setup,
A and E were pawns in Gods game for restoring faith lost in the
garden.
A and E like the garden seem to fade away and it's not until
Moses who then gives the garden account.
Why was there need for a tree of life, Adam was created by the
Word, Wo-man from the side of Adam, they were a form of light,
provided for by every tree except----. and had fellowship in
'the cool' of the evening, which speaks of a literal form of an
encounter.
My money is on the Word being the tree of life, how do you like
those apples ::) ::) ::) .
Kerry (Greetings from Calgary) the garden and the city that
Abram looked for, another not thought of for me, how do you tie
them together in crumb form?
[/quote]
Let me complicate matters even more: It is common to speak of
the seven days of creation, but is that found in the Bible -- or
was that a manner of speaking by men which gives a wrong
impression? The word "create" is found only three times in
Genesis 1 -- and the first time is before before the first day.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.
Then on the fifth day: Genesis 1:21 And God created great
whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters
brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged
fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And finally on the sixth day, "the man" was both made and
created: Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the
fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the
cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
A later passage emphasizes how it was both "created" and "made."
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the
day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called
their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Create involves the imagination one way or another. To produce
something out of nothing is creating, of course. God did more
than speak on day six. He took dust which already existed and
"made" the man out it. But He also created the man since He
imparted something we can't pin down using physical means -- man
is like God in the spiritual sense.
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Re: Where is the tree of Life ?
By: Kerry Date: May 31, 2025, 2:17 am
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=48.msg1624#msg1624
date=1748635084]
Kerry (Greetings from Calgary) the garden and the city that
Abram looked for, another not thought of for me, how do you tie
them together in crumb form?
[/quote]I believe Abraham was one of the original 144,000 souls
from Eden or the Holy City whose names were the Book of Life
from the beginning. He was one of God's sheep even before he
knew it. When God called, Abraham heard and obeyed the shepherd
of his soul. He was born elect and then called. At some point
he remembered the city he came from and was looking for it --
and I think he returned.
Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of
thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house,
unto a land that I will shew thee:
The standard for the original elect ones is high indeed; but
they vowed obedience before they were born. Abram was like
Jesus' disciples, expected to give up families and a comfortable
life if that was needed to move the Kingdom of Heaven forward.
I would guess Abraham is in the Holy City most of the time now
-- specifically in the area of Paradise or Garden of Eden. You
may find it interesting that a famous rabbi taught that Paradise
and "hell" are separated by only about four inches. I agree
with that but add that while you can look from one to other
easily enough, those "four inches" are also a great gulf. (I am
guessing here since I don't know; but I believe that area isn't
like ordinary space-time. The rules that govern us in space and
time don't apply to that narrow strip.)
I know most people read the passage about the rich man and
Lazarus as symbolic or figurative; but I think Jesus reported
something he saw. If Abraham and Lazarus were in Paradise, they
were in Eden or the Holy City. The rich man in "hell" was also
in the Holy City -- but the poor man still didn't understand
something. The flames of "hell" which some call purgatory are
actually the Flames of Love. A soul there is having impure
thoughts and impulses burned away. If they resist it, as the
rich man did, they find it painful. If they accept it for what
it is, the soul is delighted by the Divine Flames.
It is a strange idea to many; but this "hell" next to Paradise
will not always exist. Hell and death will have served their
purposes later so we read:
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of
fire. This is the second death.
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