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Forgiveness
By: Mike Waters Date: May 23, 2025, 7:28 am
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I have long pondered on the words "Forgive us our trespasses, AS
WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US.
That is a prayer that few of us have never prayed, and which
describes a very frequent failing of which few are exempt.
Does it mean that few of us can ever be forgiven ("Many are
called, but few are chosen")?
Or are we partially forgiven under "shall be saved, yet so as
through fire"?
And how serious does a qualifying trespass have be?
Does it include minor verbal offenses which are hard to forgive
and sometimes even permanently scar relationships?
Has James forgiven me, and have I forgiven him for his offensive
reply?
Oh dear!!
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Rita Date: May 23, 2025, 8:54 am
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Forgiveness is a challenge at times, but it is a choice we can
make- so a question perhaps to add to the equation is ‘ are you
willing to forgive ‘
I have to say that I have been challenged to forgive over the
years and it’s easy with some things but not instant with
others. However I learned a lot when Jeff had his affairs and
the Lord challenged me to forgive , I was reading a book on
forgiveness at the time and threw it across the room in
frustration. That was when the journey began to forgive as I
went from not wanting to to being willing, then allowing God to
work through the baggage that I was holding on to…….
Jeff never apologised with any remorse, so forgiveness is not
about ‘ everything being okay and put right ‘ with the other
person. This is about putting it right with yourself and The
Lord.
To this day I have peace with regards to my past - remember what
we hang on to is up to us as individuals.
Remember that line comes from a prayer - so we need Gods help x
We are also called to prayer for our enemies, so we should lift
others who have caused us offence up to the Lord xx
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Mike Waters Date: May 23, 2025, 9:14 am
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Thanks Rita.
I found it all very complex but doubtless your situations have
been a part of the "all things that work together for good for
those who the called according to God's Purpose" (quoted from
memory since Bible Gateway no longer seems to be as freely
available as it used to be.)
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Rita Date: May 23, 2025, 10:51 am
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Hi Mike
You can still search on Bible gate - it just asks for a
subscription as you go on the site xx
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Helen Date: May 23, 2025, 2:20 pm
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=36.msg1454#msg1454
date=1748003330]
I have long pondered on the words "Forgive us our trespasses, AS
WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US.
That is a prayer that few of us have never prayed, and which
describes a very frequent failing of which few are exempt.
Does it mean that few of us can ever be forgiven ("Many are
called, but few are chosen")?
Or are we partially forgiven under "shall be saved, yet so as
through fire"?
And how serious does a qualifying trespass have be?
Does it include minor verbal offenses which are hard to forgive
and sometimes even permanently scar relationships?
Has James forgiven me, and have I forgiven him for his offensive
reply?
Oh dear!!
[/quote]
You may disagree with me here , but I ( as you may remember )
see a difference between pre cross and post cross.
In my book , post cross the only transgression is against Love .
“ This is the work of God , that ye believe on Him who He sent
“ -
“ God so loved the world that He sent …’
Jesus came to fill what our flesh is to weak to walk in ….but
we press on toward the high calling …
And thank God for His cleansing fire .
Obviously I could be totally wrong about it! :)
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Mike Waters Date: May 23, 2025, 7:22 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=36.msg1462#msg1462
date=1748028020]
You may disagree with me here , but I ( as you may remember )
see a difference between pre cross and post cross.
[/quote]
I'm with you in the sense that I too have a leaning towards a
POV that not many (if any) will fully agree.
I lean towards my particular form of 'Dispensationalism' which
finally pivots around the point at which Christ was Glorified
(finally taken up to be at his Father's right hand) and then
sending the Holy Spirit to continue the work of leading us into
'truth'.
Whereas "God, who in times past spoke unto the fathers by the
Prophets", followed then by "speaking unto us by His Son", who
finally, at the time of His Glorification then sent the Holy
Spirit to complete the work by implanting the real and final
'Word of God' directly into the "fleshy tables of man's Heart"
Three dispensations of communication, Firstly Tablets of Stone,
then followed by words penned onto papyrus (Scripture), finally
words spoken directly into our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
The Roman Catholic Church however didn't buy into that final
mode of communication and perpetuated the second stage by
producing their Latin Vulgate 'Holy Bible' translation of
'scripture'.
Pure fantasy, which otherwise would constitute the dreaded
'CONTROVERSY'.
#Post#: 1468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Forgiveness
By: Helen Date: May 24, 2025, 11:29 am
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For the longest time I struggled with the guilt the goes with
unforgiveness. Knowing that there were people that I just
didn’t like..and my lack of loving them. It took a while and I
know I’m not 100% yet.
My problem was in thinking that not feeling ‘warm fuzzies ‘ for
someone condemned me in not loving them.
Once I understood that ‘feelings’ actually don’t come into it
..I got progress . Love is a choice , forgiveness is a choice ,
hate is a choice.
Decades ago there was a man that I hated , and hated all that
he stood for. “Forgive them that curse you “ I did that ,
“done and dusted “ . But found it was not so when he walked into
the room I was in , my stomached went in knots , my hands became
fists , my teeth clenched and I knew that I had a problem .
For weeks afterward I knelt and with clenched teeth, I blessed
him over and over and prayed for him… but I knew that I was not
free of him.
One day as I as usual started blessing him , I just knew
that it was finally done …I actually wanted to see him blessed .
We met up about a year later . We even stayed with him and his
wife for a few days . We told stories about each other and the
problem that we had with each other, and we laughed so much .
It was truly a God thing.
Dislike is not sin, hatred is a sin against love … it poisons
us and we rot from the inside . Some dislike I believe , is
rooted in pain and disappointment…easier to forgive as we can
see that the person is not whole, which causes them to be
unpleasant or grating ….. hate is much much deeper .
Choosing to forgive is not an option , we don’t need that
poison on our life …Forgiveness is more for our own wellbeing ,
as blessings them is for theirs.
God in His goodness and because of the weakness of our flesh
….gives us the grace to forgive, through Him , by His Spirit
working in us …or we’d be lost!
We can’t , but He can , if we let Him flow through .
Maybe clear as mud, but I know what I mean ;D
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Amadeus Date: May 26, 2025, 10:41 am
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Forgiveness. It is something that I strive to work at daily
knowing that I cannot, not alone for certain, forgive as I
ought. Years ago I printed out Matt 6:9-15, Psalm 91:9-12 and
Psalm 25:1-7 on a sheet of paper. Since then I have prayed those
words along with my daily morning devotions with God. So then
where do we go from here? Where is it that God would lead us if
we were to follow? Help us O Lord!
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Mike Waters Date: May 26, 2025, 2:39 pm
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Amadeus (John) Brilliant to fellowship together again.
I pray that God will fortify you, my very dear old forum friend.
Mike ... (Hugs)
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Re: Forgiveness
By: Ivor Date: May 26, 2025, 3:06 pm
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I see the scripture as a genuine prayer to God knowing my
success rate is abysmal yet still trying bravely to soldier on
Foolishly I'm asking God to forgive me only to the same measure
that I forgive others.. it's that same prayer for sickness or
terminal illness that we pray let it be me and not them! I'm
willing to carry their burden it is not prayed lightly unless we
are foolish
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