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Re: Paul
By: KerryD Date: October 24, 2025, 3:27 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=34.msg2538#msg2538
date=1761292238]
It wasn’t the Apostles that were afraid, it was the disciples.
So Barnabas then took Paul to the Apostles. I presume this was
to reassure the disciples that Paul could be trusted.
As far as the Holy Spirit telling people not to be afraid,
becoming a Christian doesn’t eliminate mistrust or fear as we
are all human. If someone has had a dodgy past and does a
complete turnaround it is more difficult to actually believe
they can be trusted and not feared. We may hear the Holy Spirit
within giving reassurance, but our own human responses are also
within us. The disciples trusted the Apostles, so reassurance
from them was needed.
[/quote]My mistake was to assume disciples meant the Apostles.
The twelve are called disciples in the Gospels; but later they
are the Apostles and others are disciples.
It is still odd to me, however. The Apostles should have been
acting like shepherds to their followers; but they seemed
oblivious to the problem instilling fear. So it was up to
Barnabas to solve the problem? I'd say the problem was fixed
when their followers if the Apostles saw Paul associating with
them.
I am still confused by what Paul wrote to Galatia:
Galatians 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were
apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again
unto Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter,
and abode with him fifteen days.
19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's
brother.
Was there another trip to Jerusalem when Paul met more than
Peter and James? Sorry if you tried to explain this to me
before but I didn't understand.
Fear?
Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow
of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and
thy staff they comfort me.
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but
of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth
out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made
perfect in love.
If we fear something, it's a sign to us to increase the love.
No?
I still find it odd when a person with the Holy Spirit fears
another person with the Holy Spirit.
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Re: Paul
By: KerryD Date: October 24, 2025, 10:39 pm
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=34.msg2539#msg2539
date=1761293376]
I awoke this morning after the most restless night you could
imagine. Paul and the other 'Apostles' couldn't be further from
my mind.
I'm 90 years old and had got led through every conceivable
moment of my past life.
When I awoke I just had to get out of bed, make coffee and tea
for Christine and myself (a couple of hours earlier than usual)
in the hope that it would switch my mind out of its chaos.
So, where does it leave me?
I consider the fact that I was virtually 'born into
'Churchianity'.
At the tender age of 10, I changed from CoE Sunday School to
join that of the 'Chapel', a stones throw from my parent's home,
simply because I learned that to be the SS attended by my one
and only childhood sweetheart.
I morphed up the SS ladder until I was in the final 'young men's
class'.
I further morphed along until The Chapel became the cornerstone
of my life.
Those around me professed to have experienced a 'distinct moment
of conversion' and, so as not to be left out, I decided that CoE
to Chapel had to be my 'moment of conversion'.
Right up until now nothing has changed with me always having
adapted to my 'chameleon like' life style, running parallel with
my OCD compulsion to be 'leader' of everything that crossed my
path.
Last night my mind became captivated by the impossible task of
pulling into chronological order every minute aspect of a life
(0utside of Religion) that it was driving me crazy.
I just had to get out of bed to clear my head, and here I am, a
man 'broken' by the remorse of all my 'wrong doings'.
If only I had heeded the wishes of my wife (my aforesaid
childhood sweetheart) and stayed in my steady Local Government
job.
But I didn't and I am left with my epitaph "If only ~ but too
late now".
[/quote]
I don't know if this would work for you or if you would want to
try it -- but there is a way of sending messages to the other
side without disturbing them by trying to talk with the dead.
If you wish you could tell someone you regret something you did,
write a letter explaining it. When finished, ask Jesus to send
an angel to deliver it, and then burn the letter. The letter
disappears on the earthly realm and appears in the spiritual.
It has brought me some comfort, so perhaps it would for you too.
The "answer" I got was a feeling of relief as if some pressure
had been removed from me.
I know it sounds odd; but there is something similar but
different in the Bible when someone received a letter from
Elijah after he went up to Heaven. That was miraculous.
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Re: Paul
By: Rita Date: October 25, 2025, 12:54 am
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Hi Kerry
Have had a couple of busy days, and out most of the morning
today - will endeavour to respond to your post later xx
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Re: Paul
By: Rita Date: October 25, 2025, 2:24 pm
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I believe Paul went to Jerusalem four times
1. Acts 9:26-29 , Galatian’s 1:18 - its states he sees the
apostles, but only James and Peter are there. So I guess ‘
apostles ‘ didn’t mean all of them, but who ever was there from
the 12 men. The church had collectively grown in many areas, so
it stands to reason that some were away from Jerusalem.
2. Acts 15:1-29 , Galatian’s 2:1-10
3. Acts 18:22 States that he was visiting The church, in the
study notes in my Bible it says that it is presumed to be
Jerusalem.
4. Acts 21:27 22:30
I still don’t have a problem understanding why some of the
disciples were afraid of Paul, although I think it is more a
case of ‘ being wary ‘ and not trusting him. They remember what
he used to to do, regardless of any inner convictions from the
Holy Spirit ( which was really a new experience for many ) we
can still have doubts on a human level that make us cautious. As
to the apostles not reassuring them before hand, remember they
had not met Paul since his conversion either. I believe Barnabas
relays his testimony to the apostles , which kind of relays that
they equally needed to know his story.
I don’t know whether I have ever been fearful of another
Christian that I have personal known, but I know I have doubted
what they have said or done. I have equally doubted many online
on different forums over the years.
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Re: Paul
By: KerryD Date: October 25, 2025, 10:27 pm
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=34.msg2548#msg2548
date=1761420250]
I believe Paul went to Jerusalem four times
1. Acts 9:26-29 , Galatian’s 1:18 - its states he sees the
apostles, but only James and Peter are there. So I guess ‘
apostles ‘ didn’t mean all of them, but who ever was there from
the 12 men. The church had collectively grown in many areas, so
it stands to reason that some were away from Jerusalem.
2. Acts 15:1-29 , Galatian’s 2:1-10
3. Acts 18:22 States that he was visiting The church, in the
study notes in my Bible it says that it is presumed to be
Jerusalem.
4. Acts 21:27 22:30
I still don’t have a problem understanding why some of the
disciples were afraid of Paul, although I think it is more a
case of ‘ being wary ‘ and not trusting him. They remember what
he used to to do, regardless of any inner convictions from the
Holy Spirit ( which was really a new experience for many ) we
can still have doubts on a human level that make us cautious. As
to the apostles not reassuring them before hand, remember they
had not met Paul since his conversion either. I believe Barnabas
relays his testimony to the apostles , which kind of relays that
they equally needed to know his story.
I don’t know whether I have ever been fearful of another
Christian that I have personal known, but I know I have doubted
what they have said or done. I have equally doubted many online
on different forums over the years.
[/quote]
I think I got it now. Thanks for your patience. I had assumed
more than two Apostles were there to meet Paul. Thanks again,
Rita. My head can stop spinning now.
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Re: Paul
By: Mike Waters Date: October 26, 2025, 3:58 am
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[quote author=KerryD link=topic=34.msg2549#msg2549
date=1761449223]
I think I got it now. Thanks for your patience. I had assumed
more than two Apostles were there to meet Paul. Thanks again,
Rita. My head can stop spinning now.
[/quote]
It would take nuclear intervention to stop my head from
spinning.
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Re: Paul
By: Rita Date: October 26, 2025, 4:14 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=34.msg2550#msg2550
date=1761469102]
It would take nuclear intervention to stop my head from
spinning.
[/quote]
Morning Mike
How are you - is it as bad as it was the other day?
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As for me.
By: Mike Waters Date: October 26, 2025, 4:28 am
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I am not of the "Jesus is my bestest pal" brigade.
"Immortal, invisible, God only wise. In light inaccessible, hid
from our eyes. Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight; all praise we
would render, O help us to see 'tis only the splendor of light
hideth thee" is more 'me like'.
I believe that God only intervenes to redirect what he 'sets in
place', on rare (almost dispensational) occasional instances.
It is 'men' that have made the regrettable, and only partially
wise, changes (the Reformation being a sadly premature
intervention that had barely set foot in the 'Age of
enlightenment' before becoming the origin of 'man made' massive
denominational division)
I am far more Deistic in my inclinations.
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Re: Paul
By: Mike Waters Date: October 26, 2025, 4:37 am
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[quote author=Rita link=topic=34.msg2551#msg2551
date=1761470073]
Morning Mike
How are you - is it as bad as it was the other day?
[/quote]
At 90, will I ever change (see my 'As for me' post).
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Re: As for me.
By: Helen Date: October 26, 2025, 10:27 am
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=34.msg2552#msg2552
date=1761470899]
I am not of the "Jesus is my bestest pal" brigade.
"Immortal, invisible, God only wise. In light inaccessible, hid
from our eyes. Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,
thine angels adore thee, all veiling their sight; all praise we
would render, O help us to see 'tis only the splendor of light
hideth thee" is more 'me like'.
I believe that God only intervenes to redirect what he 'sets in
place', on rare (almost dispensational) occasional instances.
It is 'men' that have made the regrettable, and only partially
wise, changes (the Reformation being a sadly premature
intervention that had barely set foot in the 'Age of
enlightenment' before becoming the origin of 'man made' massive
denominational division)
I am far more Deistic in my inclinations.
[/quote]
I agree , I’ve always pulled back when preachers speak about
“Jesus our big brother “ type of stuff.
And the years of “kings kids “. Much too familiar for me. I
agree , I don’t think I will ever change from the “reverence
brigade “ .
I’m the same with some of the so called ‘worship’, some of it
horrifies me…give me the old hymns any day hahaha !
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