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New Build/Mod. Can A Humble Defiant 3C Trounce The Mighty TN31?
By: MRsDNF Date: April 15, 2013, 5:58 am
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[html]<p>In life you are molded into the person you are by
surroundings, circumstances and the people you mix
with.</p> <p>I am dedicating this build to a very special
person in my life, that my family and l have been fortunate
enough to have had in our lives, who has helped mold me into the
person I am now.</p> <p>Peter. Your a champion in more ways
than one and may this illness you have be a minor set back in
your life. Get well soon.</p> <p> </p> <p>Note to
oneself. If you ever, ever screw together two polished pieces of
threaded aluminium again you will be shot.
AAAAAHHHHHH.</p> <p><span style="font-size: 1em;">Ok, I have
that out of my system now on with the build. Can a humble
Defiant 3C out shine the mighty TN31? The simple answer is no.
What about a modded 3C? I dont know. Unless I can talk
Suncoaster into another trip down south or I get up north we
wont know. Using Suncoasters TN31 in the backyard blew me away.
This modded 3C blows me away. Hmm. I wont call it until a direct
comparison can be made.</span></p> <p><span
style="font-size: 1em;">Whats it take to turn this amazing stock
light into a force to be reckoned with? Firstly it takes a light
in the first place. To the members who responded to my call of
desperation I thank you. Needless to say the postage cost more
than the $20.00 purchase price.</span></p> <p><span
style="font-size: 1em;">On with the build. I will let the
pictures do most of the talking. The only parts left stock on
this light are the reflector, bezel and reflector
housing.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 1em;">Lets
start with the pill and move down. Copper pill with a lot more
mass than the standard ally pill.</span></p> <p><span
style="font-size: 1em;"><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0702.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="610" /></span></p> <div> <img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0701.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="708" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>An XM-L2 U2 1C tint led on a
copper heatsink lapped to the pill with AS5 between the two.
Driver is a IOS 3 mode 5 amp with an operating voltage range
from 3 to 18 volts. </div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0711.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="763" height="800" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>The heatsink for the pill is
massive against the stock part. The diameter of the fins are
60mm with a width of 2.5mm. On a half hour run in still air
maximum temperature reached was 43.3 degrees C with the light on
high. Ambient temperature was 22 degrees C.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0719.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="425" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>The fuel tank of this beast is
filled with one, two, three, or four 26650's. In a pinch 4 C
cells will run the light on low and medium with three battery
tubes installed.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0720.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0722.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="599" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>The tailcap is huge like the
rest of the light.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0715.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="685" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>This is the nut that holds the switch
in.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0718.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="648" height="800" /></div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0728.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="768" height="788" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>The spring on the switch is hopeless. I have yet
to find suitable springs that dont compress with the weight of
four 26650. When they are found the light will have a spring on
the driver end as well. The cap screws are 3mm stainless
steel.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0729.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="732" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>When you put all these parts
together you have a mess.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0723.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="596" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>And when you add some more parts in you have a
bigger mess. The lens is one of Phils who was selling these on
the forum.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0725.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="422" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>The light in its different
forms. The large tailcap does not make a good cigar grip. A lot
off droop happens when trying. The other lights are there for a
size comparison. To the left is a stock HD2010 and to the right
is a Trustfire TR-3T6. One battery form.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0732.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="522" height="800" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>Two battery form</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0733.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="526" height="800" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>Three battery form.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0734.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="526" height="905" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>And finally four battery
form</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0736.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="526" height="1065" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>Thanks to my eldest son for being my Flashlight
model today. He comes cheap.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/Hand.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>I hope your not sick off
pictures yet as the all important night shots are next.
</div> <div> </div> <div>Mouse out is a strong standard
HD2010. Mouse over is the modded 3C. To my eyes the 3C is about
twice as bright as the stock HD2010 in use.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
onmouseover="this.src='
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/D3C.jpg';"<br
/>onmouseout="this.src='
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010S2.jpg';"<br
/>src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010S2.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>Stock HD2010 left. 3C right.
The spill on the 3C wipes out what spill the HD2010 has. The hot
spot is also considerably larger.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010SD3C.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010D3C.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>Mouse out stock HD2010. Mouse
over 3C. The difference is night and day.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
onmouseover="this.src='
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/D3C2.jpg';"<br
/>onmouseout="this.src='
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010S3.jpg';"<br
/>src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010S3.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div> </div> <div>The tree in the back ground is
about 120 meters away. Its not quite what you see but it gives a
good representation of the difference in the light
outputs.</div> <div> </div> <div>Stock
HD2010.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010S.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>5 amp HD2010. Its the two x 26650 HD2010 I built
awhile ago. Soon to be modded yet again.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010M5amp.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>And finally the beast. Modded 3C at 1.39 amps at
the tailcap with four 26650 batteries.</div> <div>
</div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/Defiant3C5amp.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>Mouse out, 5 amp HD2010. Mouse over modded
3C.</div> <div> </div> <div><img
onmouseover="this.src='
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/Defiant3C5amp.jpg';"<br
/>onmouseout="this.src='
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010M5amp.jpg';"<br
/>src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/HD2010M5amp.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="600" /></div> <div>
</div> <div>Tailcap readings running four x 26650's are low
.09 amps, med .33 amps and high 1.39 amps.</div> <div>
</div> <div>It has been used for awhile now and has not
missed a beat. It throws like crazy out in the bush. Going of
Google earth measurements, nah, you would not believe me if I
told you so l'll leave it there. To say I'm rapped with this
light would be an understatement. How about it Suncoaster. You
game?</div> <div> </div> <div>The balance point is 50mm
from the fins with four batteries. That is about half my hand
width which will be why it's so easy to
carry.</div> <div><span style="font-family: Arial, Verdana,
sans-serif; line-height: 20px;">
</span></div> <div><span style="font-family: Arial, Verdana,
sans-serif; line-height: 20px;"><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_1629.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="167" /></span></div> <div><span
style="font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; line-height:
20px;">
</span></div> <div>Thanks to some members here I've used
white king to strip parts of the reflector housing and bezel.
While l was at it I've reprofiled the cooling fins with a 5mm
taper from one end to the other. I reckon it looks a lot better
by getting rid of the square heavy
look.</div> <div><span><span style="font-family: Arial,
Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: 20px;">
</span></span></span></div> <div><img
src="
HTML http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w415/mrsdnf/Defiant%203C%20Build/IMG_0756m.jpg"<br
/>alt="" width="800" height="149" /></div>[/html]
#Post#: 615--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Build/Mod. Can A Humble Defiant 3C Trounce The Mighty TN
31?
By: Spasmod Date: April 15, 2013, 6:41 pm
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Awesome light that just blows away even a 5A 2010 :o
That's crazy lol
Ps.. I had to make a few changes as unfortunately mouseovers
don't work on this platform. I sourced the image urls and re
spliced them into this post as individual separate images.
I hope that's okay ?
Spas
*EDIT* Quick update. I've manage to successfully figure out the
coding for mouseovers. Please bear with me and I'll try to
re-introduce it into this post :)
*Edit* okay all sorted :)
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Re: New Build/Mod. Can A Humble Defiant 3C Trounce The Mighty TN
31?
By: MRsDNF Date: April 16, 2013, 4:11 am
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Thanks spasmod. It took a lot off help from fellow forum members
before l could work it out mouse overs on BLF. Nothing like a
challenge aye. This light is a keeper for me and believe it or
not its very usable. Its more luck than anything else but the
balance is really good in the hand belying its size and weight.
Just need to find some springs and I'll be happy.
#Post#: 636--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Build/Mod. Can A Humble Defiant 3C Trounce The Mighty TN
31?
By: Chicago X Date: April 16, 2013, 2:03 pm
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That is a true beauty, and the lathe work is phenomenal !!!
Have you considered trying two springs in a 'beehive'
configuration ?
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Re: New Build/Mod. Can A Humble Defiant 3C Trounce The Mighty TN
31?
By: MRsDNF Date: April 16, 2013, 4:13 pm
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Thanks Chicago X. I have In previous builds used two springs
together. Ive got King Kong button tops in it at the moment
which will be change to Trustfire protected when they get here.
I'm not sure off there length. The problem is that I have made
it so that batteries up too to 71mm will fit which means there
is a large gap with four shorter batteries installed. With the
King Kongs I'm using magnets to take up the extra space. I know
from experience that the Trustfires are not that sturdy on the
positive end. When they arrive I will have a look and see what
needs to be done for correct tension without damaging the
batteries.
For anyone new to Flashlights Chicago X is a legend in this
pastime. His machine work and creative abilities was one off the
reasons I got hooked doing what I do now for a hobby. I'm sure
he will post up some off his previous work here to inspire
others.
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