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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 16, 2022, 9:27 pm
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[quote]If you don't have the million dollars it takes to get a
kid from birth through a great college, don't have kids.[/quote]
A next generation exclusively descended from those in the
current generation who today have a million dollars would be
considerably qualitatively worse than a next generation of the
same total number but selected randomly.
And looking into the future, wealth is likely to be increasingly
be positively correlated with machinist talent. So allowing only
the wealthy to reproduce will increasingly breed a race of
machinists. This is a recipe for disaster.
[quote]America does not need more of an army of willfully
ignorant imbeciles who will willingly become members of
q-anon.[/quote]
How many Haitian refugees have a million dollars? Yet how many
Haitian refugees join QAnon?
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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
By: Killthebank Date: February 18, 2022, 2:24 pm
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[quote]A next generation exclusively descended from those in the
current generation who today have a million dollars would be
considerably qualitatively worse than a next generation of the
same total number but selected randomly.
And looking into the future, wealth is likely to be increasingly
be positively correlated with machinist talent. So allowing only
the wealthy to reproduce will increasingly breed a race of
machinists. This is a recipe for disaster.[/quote]
If only the rich reproduced and the poor abstained, the pool of
slaves would decrease which would increase the price of each
slave. Eventually, the slaves die off resulting in the rich
descendants trying to enslave each other. A disaster? Maybe for
the them.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
By: Zea_mays Date: March 1, 2022, 6:50 pm
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[quote]Eventually, the slaves die off resulting in the rich
descendants trying to enslave each other. A disaster? Maybe for
the them.[/quote]
Assuming the entirety of non-elite individuals pledged to stop
reproducing, I think that would only create significant pressure
for the elites to develop sentient machines to replace the human
labor force. If all non-elites stopped reproducing today, that
would give the elites around 70 years to develop sentient
machine slaves, which would be more than enough time if all of
human effort were directed into its research. In reality, there
is no way even a majority of non-elites would agree to cease
reproducing, which would comfortably allow multiple lifetimes
for the elites to develop such machines.
Or they could just do artificial insemination and we could end
up with Brave New World:
[quote]The novel opens in the Central London Hatchery and
Conditioning Centre. The year is a.f. 632 (632 years “after
Ford”). The Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning is giving a
group of students a tour of a factory that produces human beings
and conditions them for their predestined roles in the World
State. He explains to the boys that human beings no longer
produce living offspring. Instead, surgically removed ovaries
produce ova that are fertilized in artificial receptacles and
incubated in specially designed bottles.
The Hatchery destines each fetus for a particular caste in the
World State. The five castes are Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and
Epsilon. Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon undergo the Bokanovsky
Process, which involves shocking an egg so that it divides to
form up to ninety-six identical embryos, which then develop into
ninety-six identical human beings. The Alpha and Beta embryos
never undergo this dividing process, which can weaken the
embryos. The Director explains that the Bokanovsky Process
facilitates social stability because the clones it produces are
predestined to perform identical tasks at identical machines.
The cloning process is one of the tools the World State uses to
implement its guiding motto: “Community, Identity,
Stability.”[/quote]
HTML https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/bravenew/section1/
Humans can pledge to cease from reproducing, but cells are
powerless to resist:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg10137/#msg10137
See the extreme violence shown in the video:
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/reoq0w/a_person_being_conceived_ivf/
This is why slavemasters and bloodlines predisposed to
exploiting/enslaving (which includes essentially every member of
the elite and individuals with skillsets highly valued by the
elite--e.g. machinists) must be eliminated before the bloodlines
of average individuals, and especially before the bloodlines of
individuals noble enough to voluntarily cease from reproducing.
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Re: Reproductive decolonization
By: rp Date: March 15, 2022, 7:45 pm
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I doubt this is real, but if it is, well done:
[img width=857
height=1280]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLmCqdbXoA0HwRC?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
#Post#: 12422--------------------------------------------------
Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
By: guest55 Date: April 1, 2022, 12:58 pm
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Should We Stop Having Babies? | Antinatalism Explored
[quote]Is it better never to have been? Some people believe it
would indeed be better if no sentient life came into existence.
Antinatalism is the philosophical viewpoint that procreation is
morally wrong. And therefore, we should avoid it. Some
antinatalists think only humans should stop having children;
others believe that all sentient beings would be better off if
they’d never existed. But isn’t it wrong to oppose the birth of
children? Why would anybody be against the creation of new life?
So, is having children bad? This video explores the philosophy
of antinatalism (Should We Stop Having Babies? | Antinatalism
Explored)[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ_8fw6-S8A
If we count all sentient life as 'people', is it really possible
to "do unto others as you would want done unto you" in this
world? Or, sooner than later is a person going to have to suffer
so that another person may survive? THIS IS the fundamental
problem with existence in the material realm, violence and
suffering cannot be eradicated!
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Re: Reproductive decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: April 8, 2022, 8:01 pm
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What does Aryanism/The True Left have to say about Aryanists,
fellow travelers, and people with Aryan phenotypes reproducing?
You guys previously stated that the state should control
reproduction, so I assume there are exceptions to be made for
these people?
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Re: Re: Reproductive decolonization
By: rp Date: April 8, 2022, 8:07 pm
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People with Aryan phenotypes may or may not be heritably Aryan,
as we have previously mentioned how phenotype has ceased to
correlate perfectly with behavior due to racial mixing. So we
would not always condone those individuals reproducing.
As for people with Aryan phenotypes who are heritably Aryan,
Aryanists, and fellow travelers, I am not sure about Aryanism's
position on this.
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Re: Re: Reproductive decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: April 8, 2022, 8:09 pm
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[quote author=rp link=topic=291.msg12615#msg12615
date=1649466464]
People with Aryan phenotypes may or may not be heritably Aryan,
as we have previously mentioned how phenotype has ceased to
correlate perfectly with behavior due to racial mixing. So we
would not condone those individuals reproducing.
As for Aryanists and fellow travelers, I am not sure about
Aryanism's position on this.
[/quote]
What does 90sRetroFan have to say anout Aryanists and fellow
travelers reproducing?
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Re: Childcare Issues
By: guest55 Date: May 17, 2022, 8:12 pm
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[quote]A couple is suing their only son and his wife for not
giving them a grandchild. Sanjeev and Sadhana Prasad, from the
northern Indian state of Uttarakhand, filed a petition on the
grounds of ‘mental harassment.’ They are demanding 50 million
rupees (approx $645k) in compensation from their son Shrey
Sagar, unless he and his wife of 6 years can provide them with a
grandchild.
The Prasads’ legal representative told CNN their son has until
next year to give them a grandchild. According to the petition,
the couple says raising Shrey cost about 20 million rupees
(approx $258k).[/quote]
[img]
HTML https://yt3.ggpht.com/o7H_wfdX1B9HQibjaJSWGN-EXHqiqemz3zSyTFDZzRpV6jKJ7S8wmhrnF1q0yCfKY1BFjE3n07R8DA=s640-nd-v1[/img]
Comment:
[quote]Like the rest of us, their son didn’t ask to be in this
world. The cost to raise a child is irrelevant, that was the
parents’ choice to have him. Trying to force a child on him is
disgusting to me.[/quote]
#Post#: 13787--------------------------------------------------
Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 30, 2022, 7:57 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/last-generation-chinas-youth-rallied-090029327.html
[quote]China's young adults have begun referring to themselves
as the country's "last generation."
...
"There are many things that make me think my generation is
likely to be China's last, or its last 'good' one," Wang told
Insider, referencing the hashtag. "None of my friends want to
have children. And I, for one, don't want to bring a new life
into a world like this, and for them to grow up to be lonely,
aimless, and another useless statistic in the country's birth
rate."
...
Weibo users used the hashtag as a platform to make posts lashing
out at the pressures they face as Chinese youth to get married,
have kids, and carry on the family line.
"People wonder why this idea of the 'last generation' is
something that people our age strongly respond to. Where I'm
concerned, I admire that man's courage in voicing what we all
feel. We face pressure to give birth. Women are continually
harangued and abused. Even men don't want children," read one
Weibo post.[/quote]
This is a good attitude.
[quote]Using the hashtag to comment on the country's birth rate,
some posters even went so far as to compare having a child to
"giving birth to a hostage."[/quote]
But those ethical enough to voluntarily refuse to give birth to
hostages have a duty to make sure those who see no problem with
giving birth to hostages go extinct before we do! They are the
ones taking us hostage by forcing us to stay around to fight
them!
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