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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: guest55 Date: May 23, 2022, 2:05 pm
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[quote]It's funny - you guys hate logic, you hate the
Renaissance, you hate the Enlightenment, you hate the Scientific
Revolution, you hate empiricism, you hate high intelligence, and
you despise modern technology; yet you insult your enemies by
calling them 'morons' (like me) and 'illiterate' (also like me).
What's the deal?[/quote]
We love truth above all else, regardless of how insulting it is
to ourselves or anyone else. Do moronic stuff and get called a
moron. What you seem to fail to understand is that a person who
has been rightfully labelled a moron by someone else can
actually change their behavior and stop being a moron anytime
they choose to. Likewise, someone can also fix their illiteracy
issues if they so choose. These are not functions of
intelligence, but of self-awareness.
[quote]Moron:
a stupid person.
"we can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless
vandalism every weekend"[/quote]
Become more mindful and you will stop being a moron, it's that
simple. This does not require intelligence, it requires
self-awareness.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/msg4399/#msg4399
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/msg10248/#msg10248
I wouldn't say I'm intelligent really, I'm just self-aware and
have a great memory for things I have read and observed.
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@90sRF
[quote]This is a progressive attitude, implying that ancient
people in general were morally inferior to modern people in
general, and that it is not their fault for being born in that
earlier and hence less developed era.[/quote]
I wrote a paper in university once arguing this very same
argument a long time ago. How pervasive this progressive
attitude really is in the West is stunning. Only after being
introduced to your activism and learning about the ancients did
I realize how flawed this attitude actually is.
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: christianbethel Date: May 23, 2022, 5:19 pm
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[quote author=Mazda link=topic=234.msg13570#msg13570
date=1653332725]
We love truth above all else, regardless of how insulting it is
to ourselves or anyone else. Do moronic stuff and get called a
moron. What you seem to fail to understand is that a person who
has been rightfully labelled a moron by someone else can
actually change their behavior and stop being a moron anytime
they choose to. Likewise, someone can also fix their illiteracy
issues if they so choose. These are not functions of
intelligence, but of self-awareness.
[quote]Moron:
a stupid person.
"we can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless
vandalism every weekend"[/quote]
Become more mindful and you will stop being a moron, it's that
simple. This does not require intelligence, it requires
self-awareness.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/msg4399/#msg4399
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/msg10248/#msg10248
I wouldn't say I'm intelligent really, I'm just self-aware and
have a great memory for things I have read and observed.
[/quote]
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@90sRetroFan
And you agree with this sentiment?
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: SirGalahad Date: May 23, 2022, 6:17 pm
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@christianbethel This is why I prefer to call people fools. It's
possible to be a fool regardless of the level of intelligence
you happened to be gifted with at birth, which is why I assume
the word "fool" appears many times in sayings attributed to the
Buddha, but never any actual insults pertaining to intelligence
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: christianbethel Date: May 23, 2022, 6:54 pm
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I never really thought about it like that, but a fool is someone
with little to no intelligence. How does that work? Are you
referring to common sense?
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: SirGalahad Date: May 23, 2022, 7:32 pm
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To fool someone means to trick or deceive them, therefore to be
a fool means to be one who has been tricked or deceived. I can
only find one definition online that makes a reference to
intelligence. All the others do not
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: christianbethel Date: May 23, 2022, 7:54 pm
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So, in other words, a 'fool' is someone who lacks common sense
and is easily deceived? That actually makes perfect sense. I
suppose 'moron' and 'illiterate' from
Mazda/Chris/Mza9/Mezzanime/Numinous Sun/guest5/etc. and
AS/90sRetroFan carry that same connotation.
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 23, 2022, 8:11 pm
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"It's funny - you guys hate logic, you hate the Renaissance, you
hate the Enlightenment, you hate the Scientific Revolution, you
hate empiricism, you hate high intelligence, and you despise
modern technology; yet you insult your enemies by calling them
'morons' (like me) and 'illiterate' (also like me). What's the
deal?"
The Renaissance was moronic. The Enlightenment was moronic. The
Scientific Revolution was moronic. None of them should ever have
happened (nor did they in any other civilization except one).
Those incapable of figuring this out, and thus who went ahead
and made them happen, are the morons.
I do not hate logic. You are illiterate for thinking that I do,
given that I was just recently referring to logic with a
positive connotation here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/analyzing-the-truth/msg13313/#msg13313
as well as the well-known fact that my basis for hating
empiricism is rationalism (which requires logic).
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: christianbethel Date: May 23, 2022, 8:55 pm
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(Sigh) There you go again. Do you enjoy patronizing people?
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: SirGalahad Date: May 23, 2022, 9:44 pm
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@90sRetroFan I see all those things negatively too, but my main
issue is that the words "moron" and "idiot" imply that some
semblance of worth can be attributed to intelligence, when
really we place good character so far above intelligence in
importance, that we really aren't concerned with intelligence at
all, except for when it proves to be useful to us. It's like
calling someone a monkey for being a hunter-gatherer.
Hunter-gatherers might share commonalities with your average
monkey, and we do dislike (gentile) hunter-gatherer tribes, but
to call someone a monkey pejoratively implies that being a
monkey is wrong or makes one inherently inferior, or at the very
least, less superior for that alone. The reality is that we care
about "monkeys", treat them as individuals, and respect the best
of them. The same can be applied here. A noble moron may be a
moron, but they are still a good person. And an Ashkenazi Jew
may be far more intelligent on average, but they're still
ignoble
In short, I've refrained from using those terms as much as
possible, because I found the arguments laid out by leftists who
consider those words to be "ableist", convincing
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Re: Re: Inspired by Muhammad
By: guest55 Date: May 23, 2022, 11:14 pm
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[quote author=christianbethel link=topic=234.msg13577#msg13577
date=1653353683]
So, in other words, a 'fool' is someone who lacks common sense
and is easily deceived? That actually makes perfect sense. I
suppose 'moron' and 'illiterate' from
Mazda/Chris/Mza9/Mezzanime/Numinous Sun/guest5/etc. and
AS/90sRetroFan carry that same connotation.[/quote]
[quote author=christianbethel link=topic=234.msg13577#msg13577
date=1653353683]
So, in other words, a 'fool' is someone who lacks common sense
and is easily deceived? That actually makes perfect sense. I
suppose 'moron' and 'illiterate' from
Mazda/Chris/Mza9/Mezzanime/Numinous Sun/guest5/etc. and
AS/90sRetroFan carry that same connotation.[/quote]
Mindless vandalism can be offensive, indeed. I prefer mindful
vandalism if one is inclined to be a vandal, this is why I
practice graffiti in my spare time, and have been doing so for a
long time. I paint alone...
Why are you compiling all of my user names as if it has some
meaning? I do not understand, please explain this to me?
Note: this thread has now moved into the realm of foppery. Which
Christian Bethel is well known for around these forums. Some
people just cannot help themselves I guess...
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