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Re: Autism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 9, 2023, 6:35 pm
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People who want to spend money on it can do so. People who do
not want to spend money on it do not have to. I do not see a
problem here.
#Post#: 20237--------------------------------------------------
Re: Autism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: June 9, 2023, 6:55 pm
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OK, here's another question: you said characters with high
sexual dimorphism portrayed sexually aren't necessarily creating
high sexual dimorphism:
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> So long as both characters who are low in sexual dimorphism
and characters who are high in sexual dimorphism are portrayed
in this way, it is not particularly promoting high sexual
dimorphism.
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What did you mean by that? Where does the line at gravure in
anime end and the line at straight up pörn begin? Are we OK with
child gravure?
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Re: Autism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 9, 2023, 7:19 pm
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"What did you mean by that?"
If a cafe tries to sell both hot drinks and cold drinks, it
would be inaccurate to accuse it of promoting hot drinks.
Similarly, if a show has positive portrayals of both
high-sexual-dimorphism characters and low-sexual-dimorphism
characters, it would be inaccurate to accuse it of promoting
high sexual dimorphism.
"Where does the line at gravure in anime end and the line at
straight up pörn begin?"
Gravure refers to filmed/photographed content, not
animated/drawn content. If you want to discuss where the line is
drawn in the former, that is one of the things we can discuss in
the upcoming gravure topic.
"Are we OK with child gravure?"
Sure, so long as it is done voluntarily. What the state needs to
watch out for is parents either forcing children to do it
despite the children not wanting to, or prohibiting children
from doing it even though the children want to. This principle
applies to all activities.
#Post#: 20239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Autism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: June 9, 2023, 7:43 pm
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OK, where do we draw the line with drawn/animated content? I
would imagine things like hentai
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai,
lolicon
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon,
shotacon
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotacon,
ecchi,
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi
etc. are off-limits, right?
#Post#: 20240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Autism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 9, 2023, 7:46 pm
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"I would imagine things like hentai, lolicon, shotacon, ecchi,
etc. are off-limits, right?"
If by off-limits you mean the state should prohibit them, no. If
by off-limits you mean I personally dislike them, I would have
to judge on a case-by-case basis.
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Re: Autism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: June 9, 2023, 7:47 pm
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That's fair. I assume that also includes such material involving
minors?
#Post#: 20242--------------------------------------------------
Re: Autism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 9, 2023, 8:17 pm
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It doesn't make much sense to apply real-life legal concepts
(such as "minor") to fictional characters who:
1) generally have no legal personhood standing in this world;
2) may live in a fictional society with a different (often
unspecified) legal system;
3) may not age linearly in-story with their out-of-story
chronological franchise existence in this world.
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Re: Autism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: June 9, 2023, 8:20 pm
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This sounds like the 'it's just a drawing' argument otakus use
to justify their pedophilia. Can you elaborate?
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Re: Autism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 9, 2023, 8:32 pm
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Rephrase your earlier question such that the term "minors" is
replaced with a more meaningful term.
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Re: Autism
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: June 9, 2023, 8:33 pm
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OK, replace 'minor' with 'child' or 'youth'.
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