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Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 5, 2021, 8:50 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKFKbfa1bgs
The only serious solution is mass emigration. The most obvious
choices of destination for Indians are probably Britain, Canada,
Australia, etc., but other good destinations are Netherlands,
Denmark, France, Austria, Portugal and Sweden:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_India
--- Quote ---
> Dutch India
> Danish India
> French India
> Austrian India
> Portuguese India
> (1505–1961)
> ...
> British India
> (1612–1947)
> ...
> Swedish East India Company
--- End Quote ---
Even if ~100 million Indians emigrated to each of the above
listed destinations, the remaining population would be ~1.4
billion - ~900 million = ~500 million, which is still several
times higher than the pre-colonial population:
[img]
HTML http://theindianeconomy.weebly.com/uploads/2/8/5/2/28524903/8314287.jpg?712[/img]
but it would be a start.
#Post#: 10104--------------------------------------------------
Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 13, 2021, 9:45 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/op-ed-climate-migration-worsen-111523464.html
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> Op-Ed: Climate migration will worsen the brutality and chaos
on the Mediterranean
>
> In July 2018, an Italian-flagged oil supply ship called the
Asso 28 that was crossing the Mediterranean Sea encountered a
stalled rubber raft carrying 100 desperate migrants. Trying to
make the dangerous journey from Libya to Europe, the migrants
had reached international waters when the supply ship rescued
them. But the ship’s captain opted not to take the migrants to a
port of safety in Europe, as required by law, but back to a
gulag of migrant detention facilities in Libya
> ...
> Since at least 2017, the EU, led by Italy, has trained and
equipped the Libyan coast guard to serve as a proxy maritime
force, whose central purpose is to stop migrants from reaching
European shores. Frontex, the EU border agency, locates migrant
rafts, then alerts the Italians, who, in turn, inform the Libyan
authorities. Once captured by the Libyan coast guard, tens of
thousands of these migrants are then delivered into a dozen or
so detention centers run by militias.
>
> For the EU, and for the ship captains working the
Mediterranean, the challenge of handling desperate migrants
fleeing hardships in their native countries is only going to
grow more pronounced.
>
> Climate change is expected to displace 150 million people
across the globe in the next 50 years. Rising seas,
desertification and famine will drive the desperate to places
like Europe and the U.S., testing the moral character and
political imagination of countries better prepared to survive an
overheated planet.
> ...
> Though it routinely opens fire on migrant rafts and has been
tied to human trafficking, the coast guard continues to draw
strong EU support. This year, the EU shipped six new speedboats
to the coast guard, which uses them to capture migrants.
>
> Even though the EU denies directly financing the abuse of
migrants in Libya, an investigation by the Outlaw Ocean Project
showed that EU money, typically flowing through humanitarian aid
agencies, was nonetheless essential to the operation of both the
coast guard and the detention centers where the migrants were
kept.
>
> I had long been interested in reporting on Libya’s gulag of
migrant jails. A month before I was to head to Libya in May, I
saw a tweet from an aid group about a shooting in one of Libya’s
most notorious detention centers, Al Mabani, or “The Building,”
located in the heart of the capital city of Tripoli. The victim
was a young migrant from North Africa named Aliou Candé, who had
been captured and sent there a few weeks earlier.
>
> Through interviews, I learned that Candé was 28 and grew up on
a farm near a remote village in Guinea Bissau, a place without
plumbing or electricity. He was a fan of soccer and music, and
in addition to speaking French and English, he was learning
Portuguese in hopes of joining a brother in Portugal. He had a
reputation as a dogged worker, who avoided trouble of any kind.
“People respected him,” his brother Jacaria said.
>
> But Candé would become a climate migrant — droughts in Guinea
Bissau had become more common and longer; flooding became more
unpredictable and damaging. His crops — cassava, mangoes and
cashews — were failing and his children were hungry.
> ...
> Roughly 70 miles from Libya, the Libyan coast guard rammed the
migrants’ raft three times, then ordered them to climb a ladder
to the ship. The migrants were taken back to land, loaded by
armed guards into buses and trucks, and driven to Al Mabani.
>
> Hundreds of detainees have died in these jails, subjected to
deplorable conditions and violence by guards. Candé was killed
in April when guards opened fire into part of the prison to stop
a fight among detainees.
> ...
> No one was punished for Candé’s death.
> ...
> Of course, the EU is not alone in trying to outsource the
dirty work of containing migration. In the last decade, the U.S.
government has sought to reduce the flow of Latin American
migrants to this country by pressuring Mexico to stop migrants
at its southern border before they reach the U.S. So-called
“remote vetting” for those seeking asylum also enables U.S.
immigration authorities to avoid the quandary of what to do with
people whose applications were denied but who come from places
that lack deportation agreements. Migrants in detention centers
in Mexico face extremely poor conditions, including overcrowding
and lack of healthcare services, according to the Global
Detention Project, a human rights organization based in Geneva.
--- End Quote ---
Violence initiated against refugees can only be stopped by
retaliatory violence against border forces.
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Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 17, 2021, 8:58 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/climate-crisis-killing-migrants-trying-190007007.html
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> Undocumented migrants who attempt to cross the border from
Mexico to the US are disproportionately dying in a harsh stretch
of desert that is becoming deadlier due to the climate crisis, a
new research has found.
>
> Migrants and asylum seekers trying to enter the US are often
forced to traverse the harsh environment of the Sonoran desert
in order to avoid border patrols and fortified crossing points.
This hazardous journey is putting many of them under severe
physical stress, according to researchers, with many dying in
the heat due to dehydration and organ failure.
>
> This risk will only intensify as the world heats up further
due to human activity, with the research finding that in the
next three decades migrants will become so dehydrated in the
desert that they will have to carry 34% more water with them in
order to survive.
>
> “Crossing the border across these extreme environments is
really dangerous for humans to do and in the next 30 years, with
rising temperatures, it’s going to become even more extreme and
push those levels to even further beyond what humans can
actually sustain,” said Hallie Walker, a researcher at the
University of Idaho and co-author of the research, published in
Science. “It is incredibly dangerous.”
>
> In the year to 30 September, US border agents apprehended more
than 1.7 million people attempting to cross from Mexico into the
US. Many of those who avoid arrest do so by taking on the
daunting journey across the Sonoran desert, a rocky, scrubby
expanse of land in Mexico and the southwestern US that
oscillates between scorching heat in summer to freezing
conditions in winter and contains more species of rattlesnake
than any region in the world.
>
> An estimated 350 people a year, many fleeing violence and
persecution at home, die attempting this crossing, with some of
these deaths due to suicide, exposure or car accidents.
Researchers found, however, that a significant risk is the loss
of fluids in a region where summer temperatures can reach 48C
(118F).
>
> Using a model that factored in the physical toll of making a
journey from Nogales, a Mexican border city and Three Points,
Arizona, the study found that people can succumb to the
conditions within just a few days, with migrants often
ill-prepared for the journey. The stress is highest for pregnant
women and children, with the research finding that a pregnant
women needs nearly 12 liters of water a day to survive making
the trek in June.
>
> Many do not get the adequate water and rest required, leading
to deaths. The study found a “significant correlation between
high levels of predicted evaporative water loss and the density
of deaths” which “strongly implicate temperature and water
availability as major contributors to broader patterns of
migrant mortality during summer”.
>
> The loss of water can cause disorientation and hallucinations,
before becoming potentially fatal. The research cites interviews
with migrants who explain how their toenails fell off during
long hikes over the desert’s mountains or how they lost their
eyesight and suffered chest pains as they struggled onward.
>
> “Essentially the US is funneling individuals into places that
they experience such extreme physiological stress that I, as an
evolutionary biologist, couldn’t get approval from my university
to put animals through the sorts of stresses that individuals
are being put through,” said Shane Campbell-Staton, a researcher
at Princeton and lead author of the study. “That’s how extreme
these physiological stresses are.”
>
> Migrants crossing the US’ southern border have become a
political target in recent years, with Donald Trump instituting
punishing detention and child separation policies, as well as a
system known as “remain in Mexico”, which expels people back to
Mexico as their claim to stay in the US is considered. Joe Biden
opposed this plan but recently reinstated it following a legal
challenge from two states.
>
> This sort of deterrence is unlikely to completely halt people
from seeking refuge in the US, particularly those increasingly
fleeing intolerable conditions in Mexico and Central America
that are being worsened by the climate crisis. A series of
droughts and storms have wreaked havoc upon communities,
particularly farmers, forcing them to seek livable alternatives
further north.
>
> “We knowingly kill them at the border. And yet we ignore them
once they’re here, when they’re doing the jobs that Americans
don’t want to do,” said Jason De Leon, an anthropologist at the
University of California, Los Angeles, who was also involved in
the study.
>
> “I think we were about to live in a climatic version of the
book Children of Men, where instead of a fertility issue, we’re
dealing now with a global climatic issue. We are seeing people
having to leave their homes because of climate change,” he
added. “And I think that we can no longer disentangle those two
things, that they’re intimately related and it’s only going to
get worse, unfortunately for a lot of people around the globe.”
--- End Quote ---
Which is why I keep saying over and over again: don't wait for
the main rush; get out as early as you can!
#Post#: 10177--------------------------------------------------
Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: December 18, 2021, 6:01 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> Migrants and asylum seekers trying to enter the US are often
forced to traverse the harsh environment of the Sonoran desert
in order to avoid border patrols and fortified crossing points.
This hazardous journey is putting many of them under severe
physical stress, according to researchers, with many dying in
the heat due to dehydration and organ failure.
>
> This risk will only intensify as the world heats up further
due to human activity, with the research finding that in the
next three decades migrants will become so dehydrated in the
desert that they will have to carry 34% more water with them in
order to survive.
>
> “Crossing the border across these extreme environments is
really dangerous for humans to do and in the next 30 years, with
rising temperatures, it’s going to become even more extreme and
push those levels to even further beyond what humans can
actually sustain,” said Hallie Walker, a researcher at the
University of Idaho and co-author of the research, published in
Science. “It is incredibly dangerous.”
--- End Quote ---
...and yet another reason why rightists refuse to tackle climate
change.
#Post#: 11061--------------------------------------------------
Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 4, 2022, 8:01 pm
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HTML https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19850946.neil-mackays-big-read-mass-migration-coming-future-scotland-asian-says-leading-migration-expert-dr-parag-khanna/
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> Scotland’s political culture, with its pro-immigration slant,
and our geography and natural resources, which see us well
placed to withstand the climate crisis, will make us a magnet
for a new generation of migrants set to reshape the 21st
century.
>
> Dr Parag Khanna – the world’s leading intellectual on
migration – presents a stunning analysis of the future. To the
pro-immigration side of the political debate, such as Nicola
Sturgeon’s SNP, Khanna’s claims will be well received; others,
in the populist anti-migrant camp, will be infuriated, even
fearful. Khanna’s comments will play directly into Scotland’s
increasingly fraught culture wars.
> ...
> WE have always been on the move, says Khanna; migration is a
central part of humanity’s long story. Since Western
colonisation began, migration sped up.
>
> “In every century since,” Khanna explains, “the number of
migrants has increased because the number of drivers of
migration has increased.” In the past, some Europeans wanted to
get rich in new colonies, others fled disasters like the Irish
famine. War played its part, as did the opening up of America,
Canada and Australia. When it comes to the progress of migration
through the centuries, says Khanna, “the decimal place always
moves to the right. We went from millions of migrants to tens of
millions in the 18th century”. By the 19th and 20th century,
“we’ve got hundreds of millions of migrants”.
>
> Today, climate change has been added to the forces compelling
migration. Throughout this century, swathes of the planet will
become uninhabitable, it’s predicted, displacing entire
populations.
>
> “In this century,” says Khanna, “in just 20 years, climate
change already accounts for 30-40 per cent of total displacement
in the world.” So, the drivers of migration are now threefold:
“You’ve got one-third economic, one-third political [wars and
persecution], and one-third climate change and, of course, they
all tie together. Look at the Syrian drought which led to
urbanisation, political unrest, civil war and an exodus of
nearly one-quarter of the population as refugees.”
>
> In this century, says Khanna, “we’re talking about billions of
people moving – that’s what I’m trying to explain, literally
billions”.
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Our mission is to help get them inside wherever it is they
choose to relocate.
--- Quote ---
> If the populations of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan are
combined they exceed China’s population. Khanna believes it is
young people from the sub-continent who will make up the mass of
future migrants. Much of the sub-continent faces more climate
danger than China, with its higher proportion of “liveable
areas”.
>
> Chinese youth is less likely to want to leave home, Khanna
believes. China is stable and strong and while young Chinese
people might like studying in the West “not everyone wants to be
a political revolutionary and live under liberal democratic
freedoms”.
>
> Indians also have role models in the shape of migrant tech
tycoons like Sundar Pichai, Google CEO, and Twitter CEO Parag
Agrawal. Fundamentally, says Khanna, “Indians want to get the
hell out of India”. The West needs to prepare for the rise of
the “Asian European”.
--- End Quote ---
Our mission is to prepare to fight against those who do not
accept this idea.
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> EUROPE should view mass migration not just as a benefit but a
lifeline, Khanna believes. The West’s entire discussion around
migration is ****-eyed, he feels. We have low birth rates,
ageing populations, not enough workers – especially to care for
our growing elderly populations – and plenty of space. “Europe
should be competing in a cut-throat manner to recruit as many
smart Asians as possible.”
--- End Quote ---
If the Counterculture era had not ended, it might have been this
way.
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> Instead, Europe has seen the rise of anti-immigrant
nationalist and populist politics. “You cannot simultaneously
hold that labour shortages are becoming more acute and also hold
that populism remains an immutable force because the truth is
that the more painful the demographic and therefore fiscal
circumstances become, the more likely it is that populism will
have to bend to economic realities,” Khanna says.
--- End Quote ---
And Turandom disagrees. So what do we do?
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> IN fact, says Khanna, “populism is complete bull****”. Italy,
he points out, “has more migrants than when Matteo Salvini [the
right-wing anti-migrant populist leader] was at the peak of his
powers”. Khanna notes that after Brexit, demographics and worker
shortages now mean “it’s factually easier to migrate to Britain
as a young Asian than it was five years ago – and right under
Trump’s nose, America became more diverse, more mixed race. We
should really view populism for the political blip it is”.
--- End Quote ---
And what about the Turandom countries, you optimistic fool?
--- Quote ---
> Unless Western nations want to decline inexorably,
“immigration policy needs to be dictated by supply and demand”
not insular notions of identity. Khanna also notes that the
current manifestation of populism may, quite literally, be
short-lived. The mostly elderly “xenophobic populist generation
is heading for the Big Brexit in the Sky”, he says. Meantime,
anti-migrant policies are damaging Western economies, he
maintains.
--- End Quote ---
And what about the Turandom countries, you optimistic fool?
--- Quote ---
> WESTERN democracies need to change their policies for
“pragmatic, rational and self-interested” reasons. If the West
continues to adopt anti-immigrant policies, despite the economic
and demographic pressures, migrants will still come anyway, only
in an uncontrolled, dangerous manner, as we’ve seen in the
English channel. Economics and demographics mean eventually
“Britain is going to wind up reverting to pro-immigration
norms”. Canada, with its liberal policies, “says more about the
future of the West than Hungary does”.
>
> The media has skewed the conversation on migration, Khanna
believes: concentrating more on bogeymen like Hungary’s
authoritarian populist Viktor Orban than Canada’s liberal Justin
Trudeau.
>
> Focusing on Orban flies in the face “of the nature of
reality”. Says Khanna: “Canada absorbs more people in a few
years than the entire population of Hungary; Orban is on his way
out, and nobody wants to go to Hungary anyway. We put all this
attention on a peripheral loser rather than the greatest
mass-migration story of the 21st century: Canada. Shame on us
for that. We do ourselves a great disservice.”
--- End Quote ---
WRONG. If we do not finish off Hungary now, one day it will
become another Israel.
--- Quote ---
> With demographic destiny staring the West in face, Europeans,
says Khanna, “should actually be the most pro-immigrant people
in the world.
--- End Quote ---
They should be, but they won't be, and telling them they should
be will not make them so. Now I say we should exterminate them,
but you won't agree. So they will win. The evil people will win
because the moderate people refused to listen to the good
people.
--- Quote ---
> KHANNA is an optimist. He believes good sense will prevail in
the West
--- End Quote ---
I hope Khanna is correct and I am wrong, but I doubt it.
--- Quote ---
> Khanna points to France for failing miserably on this issue.
“I don’t think France will ever get its s*** together,” he says
bluntly. Significantly, Islamophobia and hostility to migrants
currently dominates French politics.
>
> Khanna sees Germany as the European country leading the way
when it comes to creating social unity between races.
--- End Quote ---
Reminder: France has nukes while Germany does not. Can you
figure out what this means?
--- Quote ---
> Russia – the world’s biggest wheat exporter – needs farmers,
and Bangladesh has people facing rising sea levels … why not put
them together and solve two global problems at once? However,
clearly, an anti-migrant Kremlin would never countenance such an
idea.
--- End Quote ---
And Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, whereas
Bangladesh has no nukes. Can you figure out what this means?
--- Quote ---
> Whether nationalists and populists like it or not, as climate
change bites, populations will have to move.
--- End Quote ---
Nukes bite harder.
--- Quote ---
> KHANNA predicts four scenarios for the future amid mass
migration and climate change: the “Regional Fortress” where
Western democracies remain relatively stable but simply shut the
doors; a “New Middle Ages” of widespread global chaos with more
stable regions “fortifying themselves against climate migrants”;
“Barbarians at the Gate” where climate change crashes the global
economy and there’s anarchy and war; or the optimum “Northern
Lights” where the northern habitable parts of the world absorb
up to two billion climate migrants and humanity manages to
flourish, perhaps even moving seasonally from region to region
depending on extremes of weather.
--- End Quote ---
I am betting on a mixture of "Regional Fortress" and "New Middle
Ages" if we do nothing. If we get our act together, however, we
could upgrade it into "Barbarians at the Gate" (though I
strongly disagree with the name; the real barbarians are the
ones trying to keep the gates closed). "Northern Lights" will
only happen if we destroy all of Turandom first.
--- Quote ---
> Clearly, whether we turn that into a success story or make the
journey into the future a bitter one filled with racism and
animosity, isn’t just dependent on who leads the country and
whether we’re ruled by London or Edinburgh –it’s also down to
all of us ordinary citizens, and how we shape our opinions amid
the coming “Great Migration” of the 21st century.
--- End Quote ---
The opinions have already been shaped. What it is really down to
is whether those with anti-racist opinions have enough animosity
to be willing to ruthlessly exterminate those with racist
opinions. I do. Khanna, however, clearly does not (seeing as he
thinks animosity is a bad thing).
#Post#: 11066--------------------------------------------------
Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 4, 2022, 8:13 pm
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--- Quote ---
> "Barbarians at the Gate" (though I strongly disagree with the
name; the real barbarians are the ones trying to keep the gates
closed).
--- End Quote ---
Fascinating. Was just thinking to myself along similar lines
last night. In ancient times barbarian hordes would usually
arise outside of city walls and gates, but in modern times with
no state doing it's duty to control it's own population and
demographics when barbarian hordes arise they are usually
already within the city walls and gates. How can any
nation-state survive this?
#Post#: 11865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 9, 2022, 8:10 pm
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Confronting Environmental Racism: View from the Front Lines of
the Climate Justice Struggle
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> Speakers: Jacqueline Patterson, Environmental and Climate
Justice Director, NAACP and Ahmina Maxey, Zero Waste Detroit
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2bnleKyajo
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Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 16, 2022, 1:00 am
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HTML https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1501613265163538434
--- Quote ---
> "We’re already seeing climate refugees around the world," he
said. "If you think migration has been a problem in Europe in
the Syrian War or even from what we see now, wait until you see
100 million people for whom the entire food production capacity
has collapsed."
--- End Quote ---
Are we ready to help as many of them get in as possible? And arm
them once they are in so that they can fight back if our enemies
try to deport them (which our enemies will definitely do)?
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Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 18, 2022, 9:12 pm
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Cuba's growing wave of migration, protests erupt over travel
restrictions | International News
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> Many have been dropping everything and some have sold their
homes over hopes of joining the mainland migrant highway to the
United States but the country is having new travel blocks of
people trying to flee.
>
> #Cubans #Migration #Travelblocks
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpKnaTPPeW4
#Post#: 12828--------------------------------------------------
Re: Climate refugees
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 15, 2022, 3:00 am
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/msg10011/#msg10011
now:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/india-risks-widespread-blackouts-summer-100220464.html
--- Quote ---
> LONDON (Reuters) -India faces a persistent shortage of
electricity over the next four months as rapid demand growth
from air conditioners and refrigeration loads overwhelms the
available generation on the network.
> ...
> Exceptionally high loads have arrived far earlier this year,
well before the most intense period of summer heat, implying the
grid is in trouble
> ...
> India's grid is under increasing pressure from the rapid
growth in load from commercial and residential air conditioners,
refrigeration and other loads, boosting electricity consumption
at all levels of coal stocking.
>
> Temperatures in northern India have been unusually high for
the time of year since mid-March, resulting in a rapid rise in
electricity demand.
>
> Peak daily loads in the seven days centred on April 8 were
more than 9% higher than the same period a year earlier.
> ...
> Average daily temperatures rose above 24°C in New Delhi as
early as March 13 and power demand has surged since then.
>
> The early arrival of hot weather means there have been 182
cooling degree days so far this year compared with a long-term
seasonal average of 99.
>
> But temperatures are likely to continue rising to a peak at
the end of June or beginning of July, pushing electricity demand
even higher over the next 2-4 months.
>
> Given the grid is already struggling, it is unlikely to be
able to serve higher loads between May and August, making load
shedding and other power cuts more or less inevitable during any
period of unusually hot weather.
--- End Quote ---
Western air conditioners will only make the surroundings hotter
still!
HTML https://howardair.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/HowAcWorksinfo.png
A problem created by Western civilization cannot be solved with
more Western civilization!
The correct solution is mass emigration for cooler countries.
Preferably those which colonized India in the past. (Which by no
coincidence belong to Western civilization which was responsible
for causing global warming in the first place! See how it
works?)
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