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Re: Museum decolonization
By: rp Date: May 5, 2022, 8:47 am
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It's ok to be a "White" archaeologist:
HTML https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/british-tourist-accused-of-smuggling-artifacts-in-iraq-faces-death-penalty-1234627261/
[Quote] A British tourist could face the death penalty in Iraq
after being accused of smuggling artifacts out of the country.
Jim Fitton, a former geologist, collected stone fragments and
shards of broken pottery as souvenirs during an archaeological
tour of Eridu, an ancient Sumerian city in southern Iraq. He was
arrested at the airport on March 20 after the baggage belonging
to the tour group was searched. A German tourist who was also
part of the tour was apprehended at the airport.
Under Iraqi law, the intentional international export of any
items determined to be cultural heritage is “punishable with
execution”.
[/Quote]
But wait, it gets worse:
[Quote]
Fitton’s family members, who live in Malaysia, told the BBC that
the fragments were “in the open, unguarded and with no signage
warning against removal”. The tour leaders also collected shards
and encouraged the tourists to do the same, the family said.
[/Quote]
Translation: it's ok to be to be "White"
[Quote]
The Fittons are now petitioning the British government to
intervene in the trial, which is set to begin May 7. Fitton’s
lawyer has drafted a proposal for the case to be dropped, the
family told the BBC, however the plan needs the endorsement of
the British Foreign Office to be presented to a high-ranking
judiciary in Iraq.
[/Quote]
**** you.
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 29, 2022, 8:58 pm
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Success:
HTML https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/germany-ngonnso-statue-cameroon/index.html
[quote]Germany to return stolen Ngonnso' statue to Cameroon
Germany will return a goddess statue that was stolen from
Cameroon 120 years ago, the Prussian Cultural Heritage
Foundation said on Monday, part of a growing trend to give back
artifacts taken during the colonial era.
The female figure, known as Ngonnso', will be returned to the
kingdom of Nso' in northwestern Cameroon. It was taken by
colonial officer Kurt von Pavel and donated to Berlin's
Ethnological Museum in 1903.[/quote]
Next, all descendants of von Pavel (and all other colonial
officers) should be prohibited from reproducing.
[quote]The foundation also announced that it will return 23
pieces to Namibia and is planning an agreement to repatriate
objects to Tanzania.
...
But its museums still host many famous artifacts, such as parts
of Iraq's Babylon gate, which is on display at Berlin's Pergamon
Museum.[/quote]'
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/cameroon/
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: guest78 Date: December 14, 2022, 12:38 pm
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Who Gets to Tell the Story of Ancient Egypt?
[quote]On the eve of the opening of the Grand Egyptian Museum,
some of the country’s artifacts, from the Rosetta Stone to the
bust of Nefertiti, remain overseas[/quote]
[quote][...]Egypt’s riches have drawn colonizers and foreign
treasure hunters since as early as 332 B.C.E., when Alexander
the Great founded his namesake city on the delta. Wars with
history’s biggest empires—the Romans, the Persians, the Arabs,
the Ottomans and finally the British—have filled the 22
centuries since; in 1798, Napoleon also led a comparatively
short French invasion that led to the discovery of the Rosetta
Stone, which opened Western Europe’s eyes to Egypt and started
an undammable flow of ancient heritage leaving the country.
As the long-awaited Grand Egyptian Museum (GEM) prepares to open
its doors in Giza in 2023, some archaeologists, Egyptologists
and museumgoers are calling for Egyptian antiquities to be
returned to their homeland. Arriving amid a growing push to
decolonize American and European museums, these campaigns ask a
crucial question: Who gets to claim these artifacts as their
own?
“People were asleep for years, and now they’re awake,” says
Egyptologist Zahi Hawass. “I’m sure [Westerners] have nightmares
of what happened: taking the history and the heritage of Africa
to their countries with no right. There is no right for them to
have this heritage in their country at all.”
Egypt and Europe
Even before Alexander the Great, Egypt was known to the Greeks,
receiving mentions in Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey. The threads of
European colonialism in Egypt have long been intertwined with
the region’s cultural heritage: The Romans adopted and absorbed
many aspects of ancient Egyptian customs following Octavian’s
defeat of Mark Antony and Cleopatra in 30 B.C.E., but after the
Arab conquest in the mid-seventh century C.E., European contact
with Egypt became more sporadic...[/quote]
[quote][...]Some of Europe’s best-known museums also got their
start around this time, prompting a race among rivals to fill
their galleries with the most impressive pieces. The British
Museum, founded in London in the 1750s, had artifacts from
ancient Egypt in its collection from the start and today houses
the largest collection of Egyptian objects outside of Egypt. In
the 1820s, Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia bought thousands of
historic Egyptian objects now housed in the Neues Museum in
Berlin. That same decade, following the translation of the
Rosetta Stone, France’s Charles X ordered the creation of an
Egyptian museum in the Louvre Palace in Paris, with Champollion
as its first director.[/quote]
[quote]Colonial acquisitions
In the 1850s, the Ottoman-Egyptian government invited Frenchman
Auguste Mariette, fresh from an impressive find at the Saqqara
necropolis, to become Egypt’s first director of antiquities. The
French handed the role down for decades, even maintaining
control of the Department of Antiquities following the British
occupation of Egypt in 1882. Egyptian Egyptologists were
categorically excluded from the organization, though pioneers
like Ahmed Kamal Pasha battled for a seat at the
colonialist-dominated table...
[...]“[The] legal outflow of antiquities from colonized Egypt
contrasted with Italy, where few foreigners were allowed even to
dig, and Greece, where foreign excavators had to renounce any
claim to their finds,” writes Donald Malcolm Reid in Contesting
Antiquity in Egypt...[/quote]
Entire article:
HTML https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/who-gets-to-tell-the-story-of-ancient-egypt-180981263/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
If westerners were having nightmares about it I'm sure they
would have returned everything a long time ago?
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 16, 2023, 6:13 pm
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HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-65614490
[quote]The ruler of Ghana's Asante people has asked the British
Museum to return gold items in its collection to his country.
The Asantehene, Otumfuo Osei Tutu II, recently met the museum's
director Dr Hartwig Fischer for discussions.
The museum's collection includes works taken from the Asante
palace in Kumasi during the war with the British of 1874.
The British Museum told the BBC it is "exploring the possibility
of lending items" to Ghana.[/quote]
It's OK for lending to be "white"?
[quote]Ethiopia wants the British Museum to return ceremonial
crosses, weapons, jewellery, sacred altar tablets and other
items taken from Maqdala in the north of the country during
British military action in 1868.
The Nigerian government has also formally asked the museum to
return 900 Benin Bronzes.
These beautiful bronze and brass sculptures were created by
specialist guilds working for the royal court of the Oba, or
King, in Benin City from the 16th Century onwards.
Many were forcibly removed when the British captured the city in
1897.
Ghana's government has set up a Restitution Committee to look at
the return of items taken from the Asante Palace which are now
in collections around the world.
Nana Oforiatta Ayim, who sits on that committee, told the BBC:
"These objects are largely sacred ones and their return is about
more than just restitution. It is also about reparation and
repair, for the places they were taken from, but also those who
did the taking."
...
"At the end of the day, objects like the ones taken in 1874 were
taken under horrifically violent circumstances… There needs to
be honesty, accountability and action".[/quote]
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 31, 2023, 4:18 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElCx5y8j8f0
Woke comments:
[quote]People from India, Nepal, Africa should unite damand back
their artifacts facts from colonisers.[/quote]
[quote]european has no shame[/quote]
[quote]West - The thief factory...[/quote]
[quote]Western countries should be punished for stealing the
artifacts.[/quote]
[quote]Britain killed 4 million Indians in Bengal in 1943 by
imposing a famine[/quote]
[quote]Britain took $45 Trillion from India over 200 years of
rule[/quote]
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 24, 2023, 2:34 am
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It's OK for translations to be "white":
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/british-museum-apologizes-using-translator-085459451.html
[quote]British Museum apologizes after using translator’s work
in China exhibition without pay or acknowledgment
...
The show, which featured 19th century Chinese works including
poems by feminist and revolutionary Qiu Jin, didn’t seem to
include credits for translators, a friend told Wang. And yet,
the Qiu Jin translations seemed to lift directly from Wang’s own
work — was she involved in the exhibit?
No, Wang replied: She’d never been contacted by the museum,
which used her work without permission, pay or acknowledgment.
It was an “unintentional human error for which the Museum has
apologized to Yilin Wang,” it said, adding that it had removed
her translations from the exhibition, and offered payment for
the duration they were up, as well as for the translations that
remain in a printed catalog.
But these measures fall short and the apology rings hollow, Wang
told CNN in a phone interview Friday.
She criticized the statement for sounding passive instead of
taking proper accountability. And, she said, it neglects to
address the larger questions this incident has raised about
ethics in academia and what she describes as the frequent
erasure of translators — especially women and people of color.
...
when translations are used without credit, it’s this time,
effort and knowledge being poached.
“I would urge the British Museum to come negotiate with me in
good faith, that they’d be more apologetic,” Wang said, adding:
“It’s really important to have discussions about copyright,
about crediting translators’ labor, about making sure that this
does not happen again and taking steps to correct it
properly.”[/quote]
Radically, the best way to stop it from happening again is for
the victims of colonial-era theft to take back their stolen
property altogether, and eliminate the bloodlines which stole
them. Every day the stolen items continue to be displayed, it's
not only the time, effort and knowledge of translations being
poached, but also the time, effort and knowledge that went into
making the exhibited items themselves!
Why is Wang only complaining about the stolen translations but
not about the stolen items themselves?
Woke comments:
[quote]The British have been stealing all over the world for
centuries.
What do you expect?[/quote]
[quote]The british like to steal. [/quote]
[quote]The british love to steal. [/quote]
[quote]CNN uses the word "using" when reporting West
stealing[/quote]
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Re: Statue decolonization
By: antihellenistic Date: July 12, 2023, 9:18 pm
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The Netherlands to return cultural treasures to Indonesia and
Sri Lanka
HTML https://qonversations.wor
ld/the-netherlands-to-return-cultural-treasures-to-indonesia-and
-sri-lanka/?twclid=24eut13sldgukfk4lgj0dsrr0t
[img width=1280
height=1060]
HTML https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2G3H8KH/flag-burning-netherlands-2G3H8KH.jpg[/img]
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 27, 2023, 6:25 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/crown-jewel-carries-weight-uks-082245574.html
[quote]The star of Britain's crown jewels, the Koh-i-Noor
diamond, is back on view after a notable absence from Charles
III's coronation that highlighted the nation's awkward ties with
its colonial past.
...
The British state-chartered East India Company formally annexed
the Kingdom of Punjab in 1849 after winning the Second
Anglo-Sikh War, gaining the diamond as part of the resulting
peace treaty and giving it to Queen Victoria.
Yet, New Delhi has repeatedly sought its return and foreign
ministry spokesman Arindam Bagchi said last year: "We have been
raising this matter from time to time with the UK government and
we will continue to explore ways and means for obtaining a
satisfactory resolution of the matter."
...
"I don't know what the legal argument would be to say that it
should be returned to India, considering that it was gifted to
Queen Victoria by the East India Company and was not taken from
India by the British," LeVian told AFP at the Tower of London,
which his company had taken over for an event.[/quote]
The East India Company stole it from India! Stolen property
should be returned to the victim of theft, not kept by the
recipient of the thief's gifting! Why are Westerners so bad at
understanding this simple principle?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19144/?topicseen#msg19144
[quote][quote]If X steals from Y, then Z inherits the stolen
item from X, and Z refuses to return it to Y on the grounds that
Z was not the one who personally stole it, what does that tell
us about Z?[/quote]
This isn't even what we were talking about, you are strawmanning
me with the backdrop of the random context you inserted.[/quote]
Back to first link:
[quote]"This diamond wasn't discovered by the Indian
government," he added, saying that India didn't exist as a
sovereign entity at the time of its discovery.[/quote]
It doesn't have to be! All we need to prove is that it was
stolen from India! Britain admits this in public:
[quote]The diamond's display at the Tower of London now contains
a label reading "a symbol of conquest", saying the peace treaty
"compelled" the 10-year-old maharaja to "surrender" it.[/quote]
Woke comments:
[quote]It was mined near Hyderabad's Golconda mines. That's
present day India.. no whitewashing around it.[/quote]
[quote]India should dig up the 1000s of acres of British era
graves that are now in prime locations all over the country -
Bangalore, Delhi, Lucknow - and auction the land for use for
hospitals, parking garages. That alone will be worth 10X more
than Kohinoor.[/quote]
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Re: Colonial Crimes
By: guest98 Date: August 9, 2023, 2:57 pm
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HTML https://www.cnn.com/style/article/yilin-wang-translator-british-museum-settlement-intl-hnk/index.html
British Museum agrees to pay translator whose work it used
without permission
[quote]
A translator whose work was used by the British Museum without
her permission won a victory this week after reaching a
settlement with the institution, following two months of
negotiations and online campaigning
The museum came under fire in June after reports emerged that
it had used writer Yilin Wang’s translations of 19th century
poems by the feminist and revolutionary Qiu Jin for its
exhibition “China’s hidden century.”
It had not contacted Wang, who is based in Vancouver, or offered
to pay her for the translations, and the exhibition included no
credits for her work.
The museum later admitted it had “inadvertently omitted” these
steps and apologized, removing Wang’s translations and the
original poetry from the exhibition. Those actions irked many
observers who argued it should have offered to pay for the
translations instead, rather than render the poetry inaccessible
to museum-goers.
The settlement, signed by Wang and the museum last Friday, will
reinstate the poetry and translations, this time with proper
credit and compensation, Wang told CNN in a phone interview. She
said this was an important step in recognizing the often
invisible, complex work of translators.
One of Wang’s peers had worked to translate the official BTS
book, making her well known among the community, which has a
long history of banding together to support causes like planting
trees in BTS’ honor and donating to movements like Black Lives
Matter.
“It really showed me the collective power, as communities coming
together to demand accountability from institutions,” she added.
[/quote]
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Re: Museum decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 28, 2023, 5:53 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/calls-british-museum-return-treasures-131643870.html
[quote]Calls for British Museum to return treasures to China
after hundreds of artefacts stolen
...
“We formally request the British Museum to return all Chinese
cultural relics acquired through improper channels to China free
of charge,” said the nationalist Global Times on Monday, urging
the museum to “refrain from adopting a resistant, protracted and
perfunctory attitude.”
The renewed calls for the return of the relics come ahead of an
expected trip to China by James Cleverly, which would make him
the first foreign secretary in five years to visit Beijing.
Earlier this month, the Telegraph disclosed that close to 2,000
objects, worth millions of pounds, were believed to have been
stolen or destroyed by a single thief who went undetected by the
museum for years, leaving staff shocked at the scale of the
losses.
...
However, the full scale of the loss may never be known because
of gaps in the museum’s inventory. When a storeroom of 942
uncatalogued items from the 18th century was checked, all but
seven were found to be missing.
...
“The huge loopholes in the management and security of cultural
objects in the British Museum exposed by this scandal have led
to the collapse of a long-standing and widely circulated claim
that ‘foreign cultural objects are better protected in the
British Museum’,” said the Global Times.
Accusing the UK of a “bloody, ugly and shameful colonial
history”, it added that the UK should “pay back its own
historical debts and take the initiative to contact and discuss
with the countries that have suffered from its colonial
infringement on how to return the historical loot as soon as
possible”.
...
The British Museum has about 23,000 Chinese objects – including
items from the Tang, Shang and Zhou dynasties – making it the
biggest collection of Chinese antiquities in the West.
...
According to its website, Chinese objects “have been a part of
the British Museum since its establishment based on the
collection of Sir Hans Sloane”. Sloane was an 18th century Irish
physician.
...
According to the BBC, the hashtag “The British Museum please
return Chinese antiquities” topped Weibo’s search chart until
noon local time on Monday, and has been viewed more than half a
billion times.
One comment saying: “Return the objects to their original
owner,” was liked by more than 32,000 times.
[/quote]
Woke comments:
[quote]Not only from China. British looted treasure from all
around the world. They are the biggest thief of the
world.[/quote]
[quote]Britain was the biggest bandit in world history. The most
obvious robbery was the big emerald gem on top of the crown. Its
India's property. But Englandmen have very thick skin to refuse
to return it. They don't need to give reason.[/quote]
[quote]This is what British did all over. British is nothing but
thief's through their
History. They take things that don't belong to them and don't
want to return to the rightful owners.[/quote]
[quote]Britain also stole several hundred pieces of artifacts
from India and Africa. They should also return them.[/quote]
[quote]British Museum should be renamed as World Stolen
Artifacts Museum :)[/quote]
[quote]Never ask a woman her age, a man his income, or a British
museum where they got their treasures and artifacts.[/quote]
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