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#Post#: 8607--------------------------------------------------
Israel
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 6, 2021, 12:19 pm
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After having many time researching world political condition, I
don't think that Israel is the main enemy of the world, I more
convinced that the real threat to the world is the nations who
give strong power to Israel, Western European nations, they also
who persecuted the world for 500 years until now, and their
economic oppression to the world still continue, and is not
Israel who do that thing, and discussing how to destroy Western
European power is more important rather than destroying Israel,
with Western European nations totally destroyed, Israel will got
weaken and they no longer a threat anymore to the Arab nation,
and can be easily defeated
#Post#: 8622--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 7, 2021, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> the is not Israel who do that thing
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Throughout history, Jews have exploited and persecuted colonized
populations on a massive scale. Israel is the Jewish state,
created to ensure that Jews can continue exploiting and
persecuting colonized populations with impunity, therefore it is
indeed Israel who "does that thing."
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> and discussing how to destroy Western European power is more
important rather than destroying Israel, with Western European
nations totally destroyed, Israel will got weaken and they no
longer a threat anymore to the Arab nation, and can be easily
defeated
--- End Quote ---
Duginists, False Left "anti-imperialists" and other faux
"anti-Zionists" (many of them of course Jews) already promote
your view aggressively to buy Israel (and Russia) time to
increase their stockpile of high-tech weaponry while countries
originally willing to go to war with them exhaust themselves
elsewhere.
#Post#: 8625--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 7, 2021, 11:58 am
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@Dazhbog
--- Quote ---
> Throughout history, Jews have exploited and persecuted
colonized populations on a massive scale. Israel is the Jewish
state, created to ensure that Jews can continue exploiting and
persecuting colonized populations with impunity, therefore it is
indeed Israel who "does that thing."
--- End Quote ---
Throughout history, "White European" and "European Jewish"
people have exploited and persecuted colonized populations on a
massive scale. the result of Western European colonialism is
also Israel, the Jewish state, created to ensure that Jews can
continue exploiting and persecuting colonized populations with
impunity, therefore it is indeed Israel who "does that thing",
and also Western Europe.
Don't forget and pretend to not remember that Western Europe
colonize and enslave the world too, you want to be a "white"
apologist?
--- Quote ---
> Duginists, False Left "anti-imperialists" and other faux
"anti-Zionists" (many of them of course Jews) already promote
your view aggressively to buy Israel (and Russia) time to
increase their stockpile of high-tech weaponry while countries
originally willing to go to war with them exhaust themselves
elsewhere.
--- End Quote ---
And they are think correctly that Western European and nations
of Anglophile, the nations who give Israel power to continue
their colonial rule are the big problem of the world, not
Israel, even after Western European nations destroyed first, we
can defeat easily Israel which have small size of territory even
tough they have more advanced weapon, just need many casualties
to defeat the swindlers of the world
#Post#: 8641--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 8, 2021, 7:24 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Throughout history, "White European" (including Russian) and
"European (including Russian) Jewish" people have exploited and
persecuted colonized populations on a massive scale.
--- End Quote ---
/fixed
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> the result of Russian and Western European colonialism is also
Israel
--- End Quote ---
/fixed
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> therefore it is indeed Israel who "does that thing", and also
Western Europe, as well as Russia.
--- End Quote ---
/fixed
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> even after Western European nations destroyed first, we can
defeat easily Israel which have small size of territory even
tough they have more advanced weapon, just need many casualties
to defeat the swindlers of the world
--- End Quote ---
Even assuming that Israel itself can be defeated as easily as
you say...
1. ...Israel and international Jewry might still covertly
support whatever country you attack first to the extent that you
either can't win or that you aren't able to attack Israel
afterwards.
2. ...Israel might enlist the support of Russia, which
predictably doesn't figure as a potential enemy in your
calculations, in case you are actually able to attack.
3. ...the Zionists might move their center of power to Russia,
so that even Israel's defeat won't end Zionism.
#Post#: 8657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 9, 2021, 1:45 am
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@Dazhbog
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> the result of Russian and Western European colonialism is also
Israel
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It was Anglo nation British (United Kingdom) who played the big
part on creating Israel, Soviet Russia, like China just
recognize Israel, but gradually hostile to them after several
years during Cold War era, if you blame Russia for participate
in creating Israel, blame to China also...
--- Quote ---
> therefore it is indeed Israel who "does that thing", and also
Western Europe, as well as Russia.
--- End Quote ---
If you not want to open your mind to fact that Russia already
renounced their colonial policy during Communist era, then I can
say that you are deliberately ignorant and just want to slander
Russia with many ways possible whether your slander is based on
fact or just your opinion
--- Quote ---
> 2. ...Israel might enlist the support of Russia, which
predictably doesn't figure as a potential enemy in your
calculations, in case you are actually able to attack.
--- End Quote ---
Israel also can enlist the support from any nation which not
have strong anti-Israel sentiment, even tough they are nation
which geographically not from Europe, nation like Singapore,
Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan even have no problem with working
with Israel, the solution is, spread to the world the danger of
Western European nations and also Israel, and what benefit if we
destroy them both, if we can say that thing to world community,
even Russia will reluctant to support Israel and keep against
Western European nations
--- Quote ---
> 3. ...the Zionists might move their center of power to Russia,
so that even Israel's defeat won't end Zionism.
--- End Quote ---
Zionist can move their center of power to everywhere, don't just
point to Russia, so, the solution is, spread to the nation of
the world about the danger of Zionism, and tell them the benefit
if they oppose Zionism, and it can be sure that the whole nation
of the world will reject them if the Zionist people move their
power to their land, but such proposal and appeal did not
succeed to Western European and Anglo nations, because they are
heavily got benefit from work with Zionist people, so not
surprise if many of Western European and Anglo nations, even
almost all of them not recognize Palestine
#Post#: 8690--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 10, 2021, 4:17 pm
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> if you blame Russia for participate in creating Israel, blame
to China also...
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This is how Russia reacted to the creation of Israel:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence#Aftermath
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> The Soviet Union was the first nation to fully recognize
Israel de jure on 17 May 1948
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This is how China reacted:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War#First_phase:_15_May_%E2%80%93_11_June_1948
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> Although the Arab invasion was denounced by the United States,
the Soviet Union, and UN secretary-general Trygve Lie, it found
support from the Republic of China and other UN member states.
--- End Quote ---
See the difference?
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> the solution is, spread to the world the danger of Western
European nations and also Israel, and what benefit if we destroy
them both, if we can say that thing to world community
--- End Quote ---
Russia-Israel relations already are mutually beneficial,
therefore Russia is unlikely to turn against Israel on these
grounds.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Zionist can move their center of power to everywhere, don't
just point to Russia
--- End Quote ---
To not be exposed, they will have to settle in a country with a
"white" majority in order to blend in with the rest of the
population. In your setting, the EU/NATO- and
Anglosphere-countries are scheduled for destruction. This leaves
only Russia (and maybe some other Turandom-countries).
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> but such proposal and appeal did not succeed to Western
European and Anglo nations, because they are heavily got benefit
from work with Zionist people
--- End Quote ---
Why are you so confident it will work with Russia then?
#Post#: 8716--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 11, 2021, 12:25 am
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@Dazhbog
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> This is how Russia reacted to the creation of Israel:
>
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence#Aftermath
>
> [quote]The Soviet Union was the first nation to fully
recognize Israel de jure on 17 May 1948
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
And also, Soviet Union recognize Palestine, still not worse than
nations of Anglophile
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> This is how China reacted:
>
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War#First_phase:_15_May_%E2%80%93_11_June_1948
>
> [quote]Although the Arab invasion was denounced by the United
States, the Soviet Union, and UN secretary-general Trygve Lie,
it found support from the Republic of China and other UN member
states.
--- End Quote ---
See the difference?[/quote]
The difference is clear, United States denounce Arab invasion of
Israel, and later on mid 1950s, Soviet Union assist Arab
invasion of Israel, and when United States and Western European
nations had an attempt to against Israel, until recent time,
they still not just only recognize Israel, but give endless aid
to Israel
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> Russia-Israel relations already are mutually beneficial,
therefore Russia is unlikely to turn against Israel on these
grounds.
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United States, Western European nations-Israel relations already
are mutually beneficial, therefore they are unlikely to turn
against Israel on these grounds, contrary to what you all
"Aryanism" people promise.
The difference between how Western European and Anglo nations
support Israel and how Russia support Israel are, the former
also imposed the Israel's pro-Western European and United States
policy and their oppressive capitalistic economic system to the
rest of the world, and Russia just keep their supporting
Israel's policy to themselves, so Russia is not really want to
against Israel, but they are not harmful to the rest of the
world
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> [quote]but such proposal and appeal did not succeed to Western
European and Anglo nations, because they are heavily got benefit
from work with Zionist people
--- End Quote ---
Why are you so confident it will work with Russia then?[/quote]
Because to convince them was more easy than we convince Western
European nations to against Israel, just remind them that
Western European and Anglo nations many times send their
military troops near Russian border to prepare to attack them is
because that is what Israel wants, to wipe out Putin's
government and reimplemented capitalist debt-based economic
system which created by Jewish Western European elite people who
called themselves as "Rotschild family", Israel want Russia to
be controlled again by them
#Post#: 8738--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 11, 2021, 6:48 pm
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> United States, Western European nations-Israel relations
already are mutually beneficial
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No, they are not. From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> they still not just only recognize Israel, but give endless
aid to Israel
--- End Quote ---
As far as I know, the states in question do not endlessly get
anything in return. Therefore, their relationship with Israel is
not mutually beneficial.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Because to convince them was more easy
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Convincing Russia to side with Israel is just as easy, as Russia
just opportunistically pursues its own interests.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> just remind them that Western European and Anglo nations many
times send their military troops near Russian border to prepare
to attack them is because that is what Israel wants, to wipe out
Putin's government
--- End Quote ---
Putin's Russia is a staunch ally of Israel:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/?message=7939
Why would Israel want to wipe out his government?
#Post#: 8742--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: guest30
Date: September 12, 2021, 12:26 am
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@Dazhbog
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> As far as I know, the states in question do not endlessly get
anything in return. Therefore, their relationship with Israel is
not mutually beneficial.
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They are gain benefit each other, see this information below :
Corporate exchange
Several regional America–Israel Chambers of Commerce exist to
facilitate expansion by Israeli and American companies into each
other's markets.[186] American companies such as Motorola, IBM,
Microsoft and Intel chose Israel to establish major R&D centers.
Israel has more companies listed on the NASDAQ than any country
outside North America.
"Military bases
The United States maintains six War Reserve Stocks inside
Israel, at Airwing 7 air base and maintains some $300 million in
military equipment at these sites. The equipment is owned by the
United States and is for use by American forces in the Middle
East, but can also be transferred to Israeli use during a time
of crisis. The United States is also alleged to keep fighter and
bomber aircraft at these sites, and one of the bases is thought
to contain a 500-bed hospital for US Marines and Special
Forces.[188][189] According to the American military journalist
and commentator William Arkin in his book Code Names, the US has
prepositioned in at least six sites in Israel, munitions,
vehicles, and military equipment, and even a 500-bed hospital,
for use by US Marines, Special Forces, and Air Force fighter and
bomber aircraft in a wartime contingency in the Middle East.[8]
Arkin in his book writes that some of the sites are located at
Ben Gurion Airport, Nevatim, Ovda air base, and in Herzliya
Pituah. The sites are numbered as "site 51," "site 53," "site
54," "site 55" and "site 56." Some of the depots are
underground, others were built as open hangars. According to
Arkin, site 51 holds ammunition and equipment in underground
depots. Site 53 is munitions storage and war reserve vehicles at
Israeli Air Force bases, site 54 is an emergency military
hospital near Tel Aviv with 500 beds, and sites 55 and 56 are
ammunition depots.[190] However, Israel is not the only country
in the Middle East to host US military bases; there are American
facilities in Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (mostly
withdrawn from in 2003), Oman, and the Persian Gulf states of
Kuwait, Bahrain (headquarters of the United States Fifth Fleet),
Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. The Bahrain headquarters of
the United States Fifth Fleet is meant to act as a watchdog and
deterrent to potential Iranian aggression in the Persian Gulf
region.[8]
The Israeli Mediterranean Port of Haifa hosts regular visits by
navy vessels of the United States Sixth Fleet, which is
headquartered in Naples, Italy.[191]
The Dimona Radar Facility is an American radar facility in the
Negev desert of Israel, located near Dimona. The facility has
two 120-metre (400-foot) radar towers designed to track
ballistic missiles through space and provide ground-based
missiles with the targeting data needed to intercept them. It
can detect missiles up to 2,400 kilometres (1,500 miles) away.
The facility is owned and operated by the US military, and
provides only second-hand intelligence to Israel. The towers of
the facility are the tallest radar towers in the world, and the
tallest towers in Israel."
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Missile_defense_program
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> Convincing Russia to side with Israel is just as easy, as
Russia just opportunistically pursues its own interests.
--- End Quote ---
As long as they not doing anything to harm and oppress another
nation like what Western European nations do, I have no problem,
Russia cooperate with Israel, but never harm and invade enemies
of Israel, so that cooperation is less a bad thing than how
Western European and Anglo nations cooperate with Israel, and
even Russia's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) economy not
sufficient enough to build their massive military power if
Russia assist Israel to war against their enemies, they (Russia)
only have 2 trillion US Dollars annually
--- Quote ---
> [quote]just remind them that Western European and Anglo
nations many times send their military troops near Russian
border to prepare to attack them is because that is what Israel
wants, to wipe out Putin's government
--- End Quote ---
Putin's Russia is a staunch ally of Israel:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/?message=7939
Why would Israel want to wipe out his government?[/quote]
Anglo and Western European nations who want to harm Russia more
than Israel, even I talk about how they, not Israel, try
everything to harm Russia, if you dislike the nation who are
ally to Israel, hate South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam,
Singapore, India, and also Saudi Arabia too, they got much
benefit from Israel and don't have any strong reason to against
them, and... dislike Indonesia under Suharto leadership too
Suharto work secretly with Israel :
"Yes, October 16, 1993, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin
came to Jakarta, after previously making diplomatic visits to
China and Singapore. Yitzhak Rabin is not kidding, he carries
out an important mission for the Israeli government, to carry
out a special lobby with the Indonesian government.
About a decade earlier, in the early 1980s, the Indonesian
government purchased more than 30 skyhawk aircraft from Israel.
This buying process is carried out in a secret operation called
Operation Alpha.
This operation was an intelligence operation, because at that
time Indonesia needed sophisticated aircraft from Israel, with
the latest technology. Meanwhile, the government of this country
does not have official diplomatic relations with Israel."
Source :
HTML https://republika.co.id/berita/qco36w320/kerjasama-gelap-soeharto-dengan-isrel-dan-dialog-gus-dur
And, if seeing the reality that Russia was reluctantly to
against Israel, then find another nation who want to contribute
to against Israel, but I am more prefer to destroy the nations
who are being the sources of Israel power, the Western European
and Anglo nations
#Post#: 8745--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: September 12, 2021, 6:47 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> They are gain benefit each other, see this information below
--- End Quote ---
From your own post:
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> However, Israel is not the only country in the Middle East to
host US military bases; there are American facilities in Turkey,
Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (mostly withdrawn from in 2003),
Oman, and the Persian Gulf states of Kuwait, Bahrain
(headquarters of the United States Fifth Fleet), Qatar, and the
United Arab Emirates. The Bahrain headquarters of the United
States Fifth Fleet is meant to act as a watchdog and deterrent
to potential Iranian aggression in the Persian Gulf region.
--- End Quote ---
In other words, America doesn't benefit from their cooperation
with Israel any more than from their cooperation with other
countries (including anti-Israel ones like Turkey).
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Russia cooperate with Israel, but never harm and invade
enemies of Israel
--- End Quote ---
Any kind of cooperation with Israel harms the enemies of Israel,
as it perpetuates Israel's existence.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Russia's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) economy not sufficient
enough to build their massive military power if Russia assist
Israel to war against their enemies
--- End Quote ---
Russia's weak economy doesn't change the fact that they have one
of the world's largest stockpiles of WMDs, as well as a well
oiled military industrial complex.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Anglo and Western European nations who want to harm Russia
more than Israel, even I talk about how they, not Israel, try
everything to harm Russia
--- End Quote ---
So you admit that Israel isn't anti-Russian.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Suharto work secretly with Israel
--- End Quote ---
I praised Suharto for his anti-colonialist and anti-communist
effort. I never said that he was particularly anti-Israel.
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